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oncrutchesrightnow

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Hi everyone —

I just got a new diamond ring. When I opened the box, instead of an awesome bright shiny diamond, there was a rock with a big dark spot in the middle. I read the info on how ideal cuts look dark in certain light, but still have two problems. First, it doesn’t just happen in sunlight or spotlight. In most lighting conditions if I tip the ring just a little the dark spot appears. So from almost every angle in almost every light there is a lot of darkness. Second, even if it’s true that ideal cuts go dark in certain light I don’t like the effect and want to avoid the mistake in the future as much as possible even with an ideal cut. I shipped the ring back for return today and am hoping for a refund from James Allen soon.

Here are pics and certs of the diamond I just returned plus some diamonds I have that I really like. Can anyone see a pattern in the numbers that will help me pick a diamond more to my tastes? Maybe it was the cut. Maybe it was the setting — this was my first ring with a halo and in rose gold. Maybe it was the fluorescence — usually I like fluorescence but maybe this diamond was one of those that gets milky or the blue fluorescence looks ugly in rose gold. I don’t know but maybe you experts can spot a pattern. If the photos are too much for one post I’ll put more photos in reply posts.

Any input is much appreciated. I’m looking for a 0.7 ct. round brilliant to set in rose gold.


I don’t like (0.70 ct.):


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I do like (0.45 and 0.53):

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tyty333

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You're picking stones that are nowhere near Ideal. "It" was the cut, not fluorescence (or likely anything else).

I'm going to give you the numbers that we usually stick to.

table - 54-58
depth 60 - 62.3
crown 34-35 degrees
pavilion 40.6 - 41.0 degrees

34 crown pairs best with 41 pavilion as well as vice versa 35 crown pairs with 40.6 pavilion.

Edit...what is your budget for the stone?
 

lovedogs

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You're picking stones that are nowhere near Ideal. "It" was the cut, not fluorescence (or likely anything else).

I'm going to give you the numbers that we usually stick to.

table - 54-58
depth 60 - 62.3
crown 34-35 degrees
pavilion 40.6 - 41.0 degrees

34 crown pairs best with 41 pavilion as well as vice versa 35 crown pairs with 40.6 pavilion.

Want to second this! The stone you shipped back was poorly cut, so that's why you didn't see the sparkle you were looking for.
 

MsShnooks

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If you look at the table in the first post of the thread below, it’ll tell you what angles you need for better brightness.

 

anangel

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You got some excellent advice already. As you’ve probably noticed, GIA excellent is very broad and unfortunately not all combinations make for a a beautiful diamond.
As a bonus, if you look for diamonds in the stats recommended above, your new diamond will look much bigger even if it’s the same carat weight! Your current diamond is carrying a lot of weight on the bottom, so the face up size is smaller for the carat weight. Further, as you’ve noticed, it’s quite dark- a diamond will edge to edge brightness will visually look larger than it’s dark counterpart.
good luck!
 

oncrutchesrightnow

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Thank you all — I was relying on the ideal/excellent label rather than the numbers. It was also good to hear that the setting and fluorescence didn’t matter. Much appreciated.

Budget for stone: $2800
 

MsShnooks

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With regards to fluorescence, it can make stones appear milky or less transparent in some lights. It can also start glowing in strong daylight. Those things are more likely to happen with strong/very strong fluo, though.
 

lovedogs

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Thank you all — I was relying on the ideal/excellent label rather than the numbers. It was also good to hear that the setting and fluorescence didn’t matter. Much appreciated.

Budget for stone: $2800

and you are looking for a .7+? What color? Anything G and up will face up quite white in that size unless you are extremely color sensitive. Especially in a rose gold setting I would likely stick with G+ to maximize color and cut. Happy to look for you!
 

daisygrl

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I am not sure how a stone with the depth of 63.4 could pass for an excellent cut but it did. GIA is very broad and "excellent" can mean a lot of things. :roll: With the clarity of VV2, there is no way you would see any inclusions. It is the cut that makes the diamond not so appealing.

I do not have much time to search but I found this one (although it is a bit smaller but within your budged and beautiful).


I am sure others will chime in as well.
 

oncrutchesrightnow

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Daisygrl + love dogs thanks for the offers to look. I think I got the input necessary — basically don’t go by the cert label, look for the numbers. Lesson learned. Thanks everyone.
 

lovedogs

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Daisygrl + love dogs thanks for the offers to look. I think I got the input necessary — basically don’t go by the cert label, look for the numbers. Lesson learned. Thanks everyone.

yup. The issue with James allen is that they don't post certificates anymore so you need to ask for them. But you can just ask via chat with the sales associates. I saw a few that look good so I know they exist in your budget and size range :)
 

MsShnooks

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I am not sure how a stone with the depth of 63.4 could pass for an excellent cut but it did. GIA is very broad and "excellent" can mean a lot of things. :roll: With the clarity of VV2, there is no way you would see any inclusions. It is the cut that makes the diamond not so appealing.

I do not have much time to search but I found this one (although it is a bit smaller but within your budged and beautiful).


I am sure others will chime in as well.

It must be some finer details of the cut as the diamond in my ring is 63.3 with angles of 36.5 and 41 and it’s just as bright as the earrings with the angles that PSers tend to gush over.
 

oncrutchesrightnow

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Update!

After looking up the helpful little table linked by MsShnooks, looking at the numbers from tyty333, and listening to everyone else here, I selected a new stone.

Got a 0.7 ct. D color VVS2 with HCA of 1.3. (For reference the old stone was 4.8.) 57, 62.2, 35.5, 40.6, GIA ex/ex/ex , faint fluorescence.

Got a different setting, too. Size 6.5. JA.

‘Looks lovely! I’m so happy.

Here is the comparison pic:

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Here are the pretty pics:

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Thanks everyone!
 

Kim N

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Very beautiful!
 
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