Hearts... AND BEANS??

[ILikeBond]

I've been lurking on these boards for a month or two now, but this is my first post. I'm trying to put an e-ring together for my honey by January or February. Like everyone else, these forums have given me a wealth of information and tools for making the best purchase I can when it comes time (both in terms of value and the overall quality of the stone I ultimately choose).

I came across an interesting Hearts view on an item being sold by one of the respected vendors discussed here a lot. Obviously, the hearts are not great themselves, but I'm really curious about the white spots I can only describe as "beans" (think kidney version) between each of the hearts, on the outer rim of the diamond. (Hopefully the picture is attached). What causes this phenomenon? I haven't seen anything even remotely close in what now probably amounts to hundreds, maybe even 1000+ stones I've virtually looked at over the past 2 or 3 months.

Just curious... Thanks!

*Edit: Oops - I was hoping to keep the vendor anonymous, but the picture itself shows its from GOG. FYI, I don't mean to suggest anything bad about the stone - it actually seems like a potentially good deal at more than 2 ct and just over $15k (see http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2415/); I'm just really curious (academically) about the phenomenon itself, since I haven't seen it before, and figured one of the diamond gurus here could explain the "beans" easily.

 

[Bunnifer]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Sorry, I can''t contribute anything edifying but your post made me laugh.

 

[avlis]

i dont know if this cause the "beans", but that diamond is showing 3 extra facets or naturals (im not an expert, but there is some anomoly happening near the girdle in 2 places) on the sarin report and gem advisor.

 

[StarSpun]

Oh wow! That''s neato!
If it performs well (looks like it does!), it would be a cool diamond to get....''cause it''s different!


I hope someone lets us all know about it

 

[Stone Hunter]

I thought your title meant that you were going to eat beans for months on end to afford a great hearts and arrows stone!

LOL

Sorry I don''t know anything about RBs.

 

[strmrdr]

diamonds wil really long lgf% tend to show them with his h&a viewer along with pitchfork looking arrows.
Just means that the lgf% is very long.
Should be a bright diamond with pin fire and not a lot of broad flashes.

 

[ILikeBond]

Thanks! - what is lgf%...?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/21/2006 11:11:50 AM
Author: ILikeBond
Thanks! - what is lgf%...?

lower girdle facet

http://www.goodoldgold.com/classic.php?page=minor_facets.htm

This explains them.

 

[pyramid]

lower girdle facets

 

[ILikeBond]

You learn something everyday...

The mystery of the beans is solved! - Thank you for indulging my curiosity.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/21/2006 11:28:09 AM
Author: ILikeBond
You learn something everyday...

The mystery of the beans is solved! - Thank you for indulging my curiosity.

You''re welcome. They are not something you hear a lot about, yet they undoubtedly contribute to a stones personality!

 

[ILikeBond]

Check it out - I found MORE beans - http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2364/

Look at the Brillianscope readings on this one - it literally could not have a higher reading, all 3 bars maxed out.

 

[ILikeBond]

Here''s a picture of the hearts...

 

[ILikeBond]

... and the Brilliancescope.

 

[Ellen]

lol You are cracking me up with the beans!

I hope Jonathon sees this and comments.

 

[kenny]

What a gas!

 

[Rhino]

LMAO. Someone directed me to this thread. Too funny.

Honestly I've never studied the cause and effect of the beans before except that too many beans may cause excessive gas.

I've noted them in H&A diamonds since we started carrying them back in 2000. Strms noble guess with the lgf% isn't the case however as we've noted the beans in lower girdle facet lengths all over the board from the low 70's to the mid to upper 80's.

I believe it has something to do with the relationship between the azimuth angles of the upper and lower half facets and their relationship with each other *after* establishing the fact of a set of cherry crown/pavilion angles but don't quote me on that.

(note: azimuth angles are angles the facets are cut to in an east/west orientation, while slope angles, the more commonly reported vis GIA/AGS/Sarin/OGI reports are in the north/south orientation).

I can tell ya this ... if it impacted the stone in a negative manner we'd dis it. I've seen them referred to as butterfly wings too.

At best they're good for identification purposes but really there's no intrinsic benefit to them that I am aware of.

Kind regards,
Jonathan

 

[Rhino]

Too funny Ken. I think we may have been thinking the same gassy thoughts.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think hearts and butterflies will sell a lot better than hearts and beans, personally.

 

[kenny]

Kinda looks like hearts and butts.

 

[Rhino]

Date: 11/21/2006 4:47:46 PM
Author: kenny
Kinda looks like hearts and butts.

ROFLOL!

Ok ... I won''t take those thoughts any further!

How ya been there ken? Hope this finds you and your family well.

 

[kenny]

Thanks Rhino, everything is great, but I''m getting fat.

Hearts and beer guts?

 

[Rhino]

Hearts and beer guts?

Well ... if I had to choose between hearts and butts and hearts and beer guts, I''d vote for hearts and butts!

DOH!

Date: 11/21/2006 4:59:05 PM
Author: kenny
Thanks Rhino, everything is great, but I''m getting fat.

Uh-oh ... then she must be a good cook.

That''s both good and bad. When I first got married I had gained some myself. My wife loves to cook too and I LOVE TO EAT.

If she is a good cook then you''ll have to do what I did and start doing a little more excersise. Please send your family my best regards Ken. I know its been a while since we last spoke.

Ex/Ex/Ex

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/21/2006 4:15:07 PM
Author: kenny
What a gas!

I have to admit, hearts and butterflies sounds more romantic...but beans is funnier!

*not touching the butt*

 

[denverappraiser]

Rats. All that schooling and I still don''t know beans.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/21/2006 7:17:41 PM
Author: denverappraiser
Rats. All that schooling and I still don''t know beans.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

HAR!

 

[Rhino]

Yea ds, hearts and butterflies would certainly market better however the butterflies still don''t amount to a hill of beans.

Too funny Neil.

 

[ILikeBond]

Jonathan, I''m the original poster and just wanted to let you know I''ll actually be in the store tomorrow - maybe you can show me the butterfly-beans up close!

 

[kenny]

If he has beans don''t get too close.