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ILikeBond

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I've been lurking on these boards for a month or two now, but this is my first post. I'm trying to put an e-ring together for my honey by January or February. Like everyone else, these forums have given me a wealth of information and tools for making the best purchase I can when it comes time (both in terms of value and the overall quality of the stone I ultimately choose).

I came across an interesting Hearts view on an item being sold by one of the respected vendors discussed here a lot. Obviously, the hearts are not great themselves, but I'm really curious about the white spots I can only describe as "beans" (think kidney version) between each of the hearts, on the outer rim of the diamond. (Hopefully the picture is attached). What causes this phenomenon? I haven't seen anything even remotely close in what now probably amounts to hundreds, maybe even 1000+ stones I've virtually looked at over the past 2 or 3 months.

Just curious... Thanks!
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*Edit: Oops - I was hoping to keep the vendor anonymous, but the picture itself shows its from GOG. FYI, I don't mean to suggest anything bad about the stone - it actually seems like a potentially good deal at more than 2 ct and just over $15k (see http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2415/); I'm just really curious (academically) about the phenomenon itself, since I haven't seen it before, and figured one of the diamond gurus here could explain the "beans" easily.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Sorry, I can''t contribute anything edifying but your post made me laugh.
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i dont know if this cause the "beans", but that diamond is showing 3 extra facets or naturals (im not an expert, but there is some anomoly happening near the girdle in 2 places) on the sarin report and gem advisor.
 

StarSpun

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Oh wow! That''s neato!
If it performs well (looks like it does!), it would be a cool diamond to get....''cause it''s different!


I hope someone lets us all know about it:D
 

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I thought your title meant that you were going to eat beans for months on end to afford a great hearts and arrows stone!

LOL

Sorry I don''t know anything about RBs.
 

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diamonds wil really long lgf% tend to show them with his h&a viewer along with pitchfork looking arrows.
Just means that the lgf% is very long.
Should be a bright diamond with pin fire and not a lot of broad flashes.
 

ILikeBond

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Thanks! - what is lgf%...?
 

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lower girdle facets
 

ILikeBond

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You learn something everyday...
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The mystery of the beans is solved! - Thank you for indulging my curiosity.
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Date: 11/21/2006 11:28:09 AM
Author: ILikeBond
You learn something everyday...
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The mystery of the beans is solved! - Thank you for indulging my curiosity.
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You''re welcome. They are not something you hear a lot about, yet they undoubtedly contribute to a stones personality!
 

ILikeBond

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Here''s a picture of the hearts...

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ILikeBond

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... and the Brilliancescope.

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Ellen

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lol You are cracking me up with the beans!

I hope Jonathon sees this and comments.
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What a gas!
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Rhino

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LMAO. Someone directed me to this thread. Too funny.
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Honestly I've never studied the cause and effect of the beans before except that too many beans may cause excessive gas.
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I've noted them in H&A diamonds since we started carrying them back in 2000. Strms noble guess with the lgf% isn't the case however as we've noted the beans in lower girdle facet lengths all over the board from the low 70's to the mid to upper 80's.

I believe it has something to do with the relationship between the azimuth angles of the upper and lower half facets and their relationship with each other *after* establishing the fact of a set of cherry crown/pavilion angles but don't quote me on that.
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(note: azimuth angles are angles the facets are cut to in an east/west orientation, while slope angles, the more commonly reported vis GIA/AGS/Sarin/OGI reports are in the north/south orientation).

I can tell ya this ... if it impacted the stone in a negative manner we'd dis it. I've seen them referred to as butterfly wings too.

At best they're good for identification purposes but really there's no intrinsic benefit to them that I am aware of.

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Rhino

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Too funny Ken. I think we may have been thinking the same gassy thoughts.
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I think hearts and butterflies will sell a lot better than hearts and beans, personally.
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kenny

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Kinda looks like hearts and butts.
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Date: 11/21/2006 4:47:46 PM
Author: kenny
Kinda looks like hearts and butts.
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ROFLOL!
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Ok ... I won''t take those thoughts any further!
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How ya been there ken? Hope this finds you and your family well.
 

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Thanks Rhino, everything is great, but I''m getting fat.

Hearts and beer guts?
 

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Hearts and beer guts?
Well ... if I had to choose between hearts and butts and hearts and beer guts, I''d vote for hearts and butts!
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DOH!
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Date: 11/21/2006 4:59:05 PM
Author: kenny
Thanks Rhino, everything is great, but I''m getting fat.

Uh-oh ... then she must be a good cook.
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That''s both good and bad. When I first got married I had gained some myself. My wife loves to cook too and I LOVE TO EAT.
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If she is a good cook then you''ll have to do what I did and start doing a little more excersise. Please send your family my best regards Ken. I know its been a while since we last spoke.

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Date: 11/21/2006 4:15:07 PM
Author: kenny
What a gas!
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I have to admit, hearts and butterflies sounds more romantic...but beans is funnier!
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*not touching the butt*
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Yea ds, hearts and butterflies would certainly market better however the butterflies still don''t amount to a hill of beans.
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Too funny Neil.
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ILikeBond

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Jonathan, I''m the original poster and just wanted to let you know I''ll actually be in the store tomorrow - maybe you can show me the butterfly-beans up close!
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If he has beans don''t get too close.
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