Have you ever seen a hypnotherapist?

[kenny]

My aunt and uncle did EST in the 70's and somehow convinced my mom and dad to let us go one time with them (we were around the ages 6 and 8 or 8 and 10) and OMG. I hated it and fortunately my parents hated it also. LOL first and last time we ever did that. All I remember from that one visit was a lot of love talk and we were sitting in a circle and had to turn to our neighbor and look in their eyes and say we loved them or something very artificial like that. Yeah, not my cup of tea. When I say I love someone it's because I know who they are and I love them.

There is enormous criticism of EST and Werner Erhard.
The benefit I got is immeasurable.

 

[missy]

My aunt and uncle did EST in the 70's and somehow convinced my mom and dad to let us go one time with them (we were around the ages 6 and 8 or 8 and 10) and OMG. I hated it and fortunately my parents hated it also. LOL first and last time we ever did that. All I remember from that one visit was a lot of love talk and we were sitting in a circle and had to turn to our neighbor and look in their eyes and say we loved them or something very artificial like that. Yeah, not my cup of tea. When I say I love someone it's because I know who they are and I love them.

There is enormous criticism of EST and Werner Erhard.

I don't know anything about EST except the one time my aunt and uncle took us with them to a meeting. But from that one time experience I can understand that enormous criticism.

 

[kenny]

My aunt and uncle did EST in the 70's and somehow convinced my mom and dad to let us go one time with them (we were around the ages 6 and 8 or 8 and 10) and OMG. I hated it and fortunately my parents hated it also. LOL first and last time we ever did that. All I remember from that one visit was a lot of love talk and we were sitting in a circle and had to turn to our neighbor and look in their eyes and say we loved them or something very artificial like that. Yeah, not my cup of tea. When I say I love someone it's because I know who they are and I love them.

There is enormous criticism of EST and Werner Erhard.

I don't know anything about EST except the one time my aunt and uncle took us with them to a meeting. But from that one time experience I can understand that enormous criticism.

I understand the criticism too and how EST deftly and intentionally pushed the buttons of and pissed off the western mind, and (not but) I enjoy enormous lifelong benefit from taking the EST training.

 

[missy]

My aunt and uncle did EST in the 70's and somehow convinced my mom and dad to let us go one time with them (we were around the ages 6 and 8 or 8 and 10) and OMG. I hated it and fortunately my parents hated it also. LOL first and last time we ever did that. All I remember from that one visit was a lot of love talk and we were sitting in a circle and had to turn to our neighbor and look in their eyes and say we loved them or something very artificial like that. Yeah, not my cup of tea. When I say I love someone it's because I know who they are and I love them.

There is enormous criticism of EST and Werner Erhard.

I don't know anything about EST except the one time my aunt and uncle took us with them to a meeting. But from that one time experience I can understand that enormous criticism.

I understand it too, and (not but) I enjoy enormous lifelong benefit from taking the EST training.

I get that too. There are a number of experiences where perhaps I didn't agree with certain aspects but reaped many benefits.
Would you mind sharing what benefits you realized from EST?
I have to ask my aunt and uncle what they think about it now all these years later.

 

[msop04]

I'm pleased to have a very very very closed mind to handing my mind over to anyone.
I would not hand the keys over to anyone.

I trust my mind.
I'm satisfied with what it does.

lol THAT I'm not in agreement with

I wish I could teach my mind to behave WAY better!

But in general, I'm with you...one time I went to see a therapist who wanted to put me on antidepressants and I didn't do it...it was very scary to me to do anything that would chemically alter my brain...

I understand how some feel hesitant to take anything prescribed from a psychiatrist... after all, they go nuts and over-prescribe sometimes, IMHO... but...

The pharmacist in me is gonna come out in 3-2-1...

...psychotropic drugs alter brain chemistry -- that's what they're made to do. A lot of people feel like sh!t because they have a true chemical imbalance, so the meds are made to help bring them back to a more "balanced" state.

I've noticed that many patients who take their antipsychotics/antidepressants/etc will feel much better (that's the goal, right?! ) when the drug reaches the proper level in the bloodstream. Then once they are really feeling great, they'll stop taking them because they feel good and they "don't need them anymore." Then they go back to feeling like crap shortly after the drug is out of their system, to which they'll swear that it never helped them in the first place.

But yes, I am super leary of psychiatrists, so I totally understand how you feel... I visited one in grad school with sole intention to score some Adderall to help me study , and by the time I left THE FIRST VISIT, this crazy quack had written so many scripts, I would seriously be in bed for days. Needless to say, the first turned into the last visit.

 

[kenny]

Would you mind sharing what benefits you realized from EST?

Sorry, as with psychoanalysis the benefit is way way beyond what I could articulate.

Perhaps my 10 years of posts are a small window into part of the benefits.
I'm certain several here will consider my posts as the strongest argument ever against psychoanalysis and EST.

OP sorry for the threadjack.

 

[missy]

Would you mind sharing what benefits you realized from EST?

Sorry, way beyond articulation.

Perhaps my 10 years of posts are a window.

OP sorry for the threadjack.

Thanks Kenny. And good point.

Thanks CJ for allowing the threadjack.

 

[msop04]

For anyone considering seeing a hypnotherapist can you bring someone you trust with you to be there the whole time? That way you might feel more secure and comfortable and open to the experience making it more likely to be successful. Not sure if that impedes the process at all but just wondering if that might be helpful.

That's a good question, missy... I'm not extremely familiar with their ethics as to such. However, I would like to think that wouldn't be a problem if the psych didn't think it would interfere with the session. Only thing is, people tend to be more open when it's just them and the therapist. Thoughts and emotions may be withheld (even if only subcontiously) if anyone else is in the room/able to hear the conversation. It would be interesting if someone could share about this topic though...

 

[CJ2008]

Would you mind sharing what benefits you realized from EST?

Sorry, way beyond articulation.

Perhaps my 10 years of posts are a window.

OP sorry for the threadjack.

Thanks Kenny. And good point.

Thanks CJ for allowing the threadjack.

Thank you both for your courtesy CJ and Kenny

I actually would have found it interesting to hear about EST (I never heard of it)

 

[CJ2008]

I'm pleased to have a very very very closed mind to handing my mind over to anyone.
I would not hand the keys over to anyone.

I trust my mind.
I'm satisfied with what it does.

lol THAT I'm not in agreement with

I wish I could teach my mind to behave WAY better!

But in general, I'm with you...one time I went to see a therapist who wanted to put me on antidepressants and I didn't do it...it was very scary to me to do anything that would chemically alter my brain...

I understand how some feel hesitant to take anything prescribed from a psychiatrist... after all, they go nuts and over-prescribe sometimes, IMHO... but...

The pharmacist in me is gonna come out in 3-2-1...

...psychotropic drugs alter brain chemistry -- that's what they're made to do. A lot of people feel like sh!t because they have a true chemical imbalance, so the meds are made to help bring them back to a more "balanced" state.

I've noticed that many patients who take their antipsychotics/antidepressants/etc will feel much better (that's the goal, right?! ) when the drug reaches the proper level in the bloodstream. Then once they are really feeling great, they'll stop taking them because they feel good and they "don't need them anymore." Then they go back to feeling like crap shortly after the drug is out of their system, to which they'll swear that it never helped them in the first place.

But yes, I am super leary of psychiatrists, so I totally understand how you feel... I visited one in grad school with sole intention to score some Adderall to help me study , and by the time I left THE FIRST VISIT, this crazy quack had written so many scripts, I would seriously be in bed for days. Needless to say, the first turned into the last visit.

This all makes a lot of sense msop - I didn't do any research one way or another and just got scared to try it or become dependent on it. I don't remember who the doctor was but obviously not someone I trusted very much...

Hmmmm...

Wonder if I should revisit this idea I seem to have the SAME issues I had 20 years ago.

 

[msop04]

This all makes a lot of sense msop - I didn't do any research one way or another and just got scared to try it or become dependent on it. I don't remember who the doctor was but obviously not someone I trusted very much...

Hmmmm...

Wonder if I should revisit this idea I seem to have the SAME issues I had 20 years ago.

Maybe you could try the hypnotherapy first and see what happens?

 

[azstonie]

I can't see how a hypnotist would object if you brought someone with you but my experience was like a guided meditation. Whoever you bring would have to be able to not speak or participate or intrude.

 

[msop04]

I can't see how a hypnotist would object if you brought someone with you but my experience was like a guided meditation. Whoever you bring would have to be able to not speak or participate or intrude.

Very interesting, azstonie... I'm going to see what I can find out (not that I want someone to come in with me, but just for my general information). I find the whole idea of hypnotherapy fascinating, to say the least.

 

[azstonie]

If I went in for hypnotherapy now (and I would like to give it another try for weight loss/anxiety) I would want a friend to sit in the room while it would be happening. People who do ahem bad things ahem find occupations that give them the ability to do those bad things so I would want someone in there with me keeping things on the up and up.

There are those stories about dentists or doctors who abuse patients while anesthetized, for example. Child molesters who are teachers and Sunday school leaders and camp counselors.

I was a teacher for many years and right before I left teaching to do other things, the concept of cameras in each classroom was gaining speed. I was/am completely in favor of it, anything I do or say can be viewed/heard by anyone. Plus, it would back me up on some of the parents who were in complete denial about the behavior of their children in school

So I would wonder about a professional anything who could not understand why you would be interested in safety and transparency when you buy their treatment/services.

 

[msop04]

If I went in for hypnotherapy now (and I would like to give it another try for weight loss/anxiety) I would want a friend to sit in the room while it would be happening. People who do ahem bad things ahem find occupations that give them the ability to do those bad things so I would want someone in there with me keeping things on the up and up.
There are those stories about dentists or doctors who abuse patients while anesthetized, for example. Child molesters who are teachers and Sunday school leaders and camp counselors.

I was a teacher for many years and right before I left teaching to do other things, the concept of cameras in each classroom was gaining speed. I was/am completely in favor of it, anything I do or say can be viewed/heard by anyone. Plus, it would back me up on some of the parents who were in complete denial about the behavior of their children in school

So I would wonder about a professional anything who could not understand why you would be interested in safety and transparency when you buy their treatment/services.

Point taken... and noted!

 

[missy]

If I went in for hypnotherapy now (and I would like to give it another try for weight loss/anxiety) I would want a friend to sit in the room while it would be happening. People who do ahem bad things ahem find occupations that give them the ability to do those bad things so I would want someone in there with me keeping things on the up and up.

There are those stories about dentists or doctors who abuse patients while anesthetized, for example. Child molesters who are teachers and Sunday school leaders and camp counselors.

I was a teacher for many years and right before I left teaching to do other things, the concept of cameras in each classroom was gaining speed. I was/am completely in favor of it, anything I do or say can be viewed/heard by anyone. Plus, it would back me up on some of the parents who were in complete denial about the behavior of their children in school

So I would wonder about a professional anything who could not understand why you would be interested in safety and transparency when you buy their treatment/services.

I agree completely with this. I always encourage family members etc to come in with the patient while I am examining them. First of all it's good because as a patient you don't absorb everything that is being told to you by the doctor and second of all for all the reasons azstonie posted. It's always good to have an advocate with you at important appointments.

 

[CJ2008]

If I went in for hypnotherapy now (and I would like to give it another try for weight loss/anxiety) I would want a friend to sit in the room while it would be happening. People who do ahem bad things ahem find occupations that give them the ability to do those bad things so I would want someone in there with me keeping things on the up and up.

There are those stories about dentists or doctors who abuse patients while anesthetized, for example. Child molesters who are teachers and Sunday school leaders and camp counselors.

I was a teacher for many years and right before I left teaching to do other things, the concept of cameras in each classroom was gaining speed. I was/am completely in favor of it, anything I do or say can be viewed/heard by anyone. Plus, it would back me up on some of the parents who were in complete denial about the behavior of their children in school

So I would wonder about a professional anything who could not understand why you would be interested in safety and transparency when you buy their treatment/services.

I agree completely with this. I always encourage family members etc to come in with the patient while I am examining them. First of all it's good because as a patient you don't absorb everything that is being told to you by the doctor and second of all for all the reasons azstonie posted. It's always good to have an advocate with you at important appointments.

Are you a doctor, Missy?

 

[Tourmaline]

I saw a hypnotherapist when I was 21 for weight loss. I weighed 156 lbs at the time. I left the session feeling like nothing had happened and I felt like it was a waste of time and money. Then, three and a half months later, I ran into the hypnotherapist and I weighed 120 lbs. It dawned on me that the hypnotherapy might have had something to do with my resolve to do the stuff necessary to lose the weight. She was pretty impressed with herself, too.

Wow! That makes me wanna be hypnotized ASAP! I've struggled with my weight my entire life... maybe it would be worth a try? Did you notice you were just eating less or exercising more?? 36 lbs in 14 weeks is drastic!

I did the Jenny Craig diet (this was a LONG time ago). Before the hypnotherapy, though, I didn't have the willpower to do it.

 

[missy]

If I went in for hypnotherapy now (and I would like to give it another try for weight loss/anxiety) I would want a friend to sit in the room while it would be happening. People who do ahem bad things ahem find occupations that give them the ability to do those bad things so I would want someone in there with me keeping things on the up and up.

There are those stories about dentists or doctors who abuse patients while anesthetized, for example. Child molesters who are teachers and Sunday school leaders and camp counselors.

I was a teacher for many years and right before I left teaching to do other things, the concept of cameras in each classroom was gaining speed. I was/am completely in favor of it, anything I do or say can be viewed/heard by anyone. Plus, it would back me up on some of the parents who were in complete denial about the behavior of their children in school

So I would wonder about a professional anything who could not understand why you would be interested in safety and transparency when you buy their treatment/services.

I agree completely with this. I always encourage family members etc to come in with the patient while I am examining them. First of all it's good because as a patient you don't absorb everything that is being told to you by the doctor and second of all for all the reasons azstonie posted. It's always good to have an advocate with you at important appointments.

Are you a doctor, Missy?

I'm an Optometrist and being in the health care field has made me super aware of how important it is to not just be your own advocate but to bring someone you trust with you to be your second set of eyes and ears who can also advocate for you. Not so much for routine appointments but for when things get complicated.

 

[CJ2008]

If I went in for hypnotherapy now (and I would like to give it another try for weight loss/anxiety) I would want a friend to sit in the room while it would be happening. People who do ahem bad things ahem find occupations that give them the ability to do those bad things so I would want someone in there with me keeping things on the up and up.

There are those stories about dentists or doctors who abuse patients while anesthetized, for example. Child molesters who are teachers and Sunday school leaders and camp counselors.

I was a teacher for many years and right before I left teaching to do other things, the concept of cameras in each classroom was gaining speed. I was/am completely in favor of it, anything I do or say can be viewed/heard by anyone. Plus, it would back me up on some of the parents who were in complete denial about the behavior of their children in school

So I would wonder about a professional anything who could not understand why you would be interested in safety and transparency when you buy their treatment/services.

I agree completely with this. I always encourage family members etc to come in with the patient while I am examining them. First of all it's good because as a patient you don't absorb everything that is being told to you by the doctor and second of all for all the reasons azstonie posted. It's always good to have an advocate with you at important appointments.

Are you a doctor, Missy?

I'm an Optometrist and being in the health care field has made me super aware of how important it is to not just be your own advocate but to bring someone you trust with you to be your second set of eyes and ears who can also advocate for you. Not so much for routine appointments but for when things get complicated.

I have a feeling you're a very caring doctor. Your patients must love you.

 

[missy]

That is very kind of you to say CJ and thank you. It's easy with my patient population though as they are so easy to admire and respect and love. I miss them right now and I so hope I can get back to working with them.

 

[Ally T]

The opinions in this thread make for interesting reading! I am not on PS much these days but feel compelled to add my tuppence to this.

I saw a hypnotherapist 2.5 years ago. I have suffered with anxiety & hyperchondira all my adult life. After becoming a mummy these things intensified quite badly to the point I became a serious insomniac. Every ache or pain was a cancer or something that was going to kill me, which was making me extremely low. No mummy wants to have their children grow up without them. I also lost my father when I was 27 very suddenly & myself & my family were by his bed when his heart stopped - that sort of thing can seriously mess you up for the rest of your life.

Both myself & my husband felt that at this stage, intervention was needed in some shape or form. By the way, generally I am happy go lucky & very positive, so these 'episodes' were quite serious & drawn out. I was not really a believer in hypnotherapy, but at this stage I was open to anything that may help. I did my research & decided to go with a chap from Paul McKenna's school (very famous therapist in the UK) who was based in my region. He made it quite clear before my first appointment that I was welcome to have a silent partner sit in with me should I choose, but I went alone in the end. We spent almost 2 hours chatting, laughing, sobbing - it was intense & emotionally draining. And then I got into The Chair as I have come to call it. The first session was a bit uptight as I didn't know what to expect, but by the second session I had come to trust Ken completely. The entire time I was 'under' I felt also conscious & knew that I could stop anytime I wanted, so I felt safe. I had 6 sessions & mentally I was transformed.

I had some minor health issues about 12 months later, at which point I went back to see Ken twice for some reiteration, but I am no longer the anxious ball of worry that I was. I still have my moments, don't get me wrong, but I now have the mental tools to deal with them, so I take myself off to lie on my bed in darkness sometimes to get myself back on track. I can control my thoughts now rather than them controlling me.

It worked for me, but it doesn't work for everyone. The thing to remember is to be open minded about it. And how did it feel when I was in The Chair? Like my body weighed an absolute ton & I didn't even have strength to lift an arm unless instructed to do so. Consciously aware, but moulded into the chair like playdoh. I say go for it!

 

[Sky56]

My odd story:

My Skepticism & Why I Would Recommend Trying Hyponotism for the OP's Problem:

Hypnotism was something that never interested me at all. I also knew that I was one of those skeptics who would be impossible to hypnotize.

I went on a cruise three years ago. Every night there was good free entertainment in the main auditorium - rock music, show tunes, comedy and the like.

One night, it was a hypnotist. He called 20 people to the stage who agreed to be hypnotized. After a short while, he sent about 5 people back to the audience, knowing that they couldn't be hypnotized. He was a nationally known hypnotist who wrote books and also helped with studies at the medical school at Yale. The show was goofy, and he had the people do funny things while they were under hypnosis. It was done tastefully, and there was nothing done that would really embarrass someone. I felt it was all real, and not an act...but this was ~not~ what I found interesting. That came later. After the show, the hypnotist invited all members of the audience to return to the auditorium the following afternoon for a free session where he would hypnotize us while sitting in the audience, not on stage, and he would do a free weight loss hypnotism session.

Now, I was intrigued. This would not be a dramatic, funny presentation, it was free, and being a not obese but healthily chubby person, I thought, why not? And I was wondering if I could be hypnotized knowing I am a skeptic and resistant to the idea in general. I decided to go the next day and approach it with an open mind and see what happened.

The next day, only about one tenth of last night's audience showed up.

He told us to close our eyes and relax. He started talking about healthy eating habits, and about being satisfied with smaller amounts of food, about being mindful of each bite, and other nutrition advice that was sound. He spoke in a gently rhythmic way about food and guided us through a deep relaxation to a hypnotic state.

I definitely "went under." In this state I could hear his words with a feeling of undivided attention and heightened sensitivity. I felt pleasure, not very unlike what I felt after taking Percoset after an invasive dental procedure last month.

Afterwards, I found myself losing weight and being satisfied with smaller portions. However, it only lasted a few weeks. I hadn't thought about it in a few years...your post reminded me of it, and I can tell that if I remember what he said and think about it, it can work for me again without being hypnotized again. This is why I think a good hypnotist can be effective for some people who want to break habits such as smoking and overeating. If it is tried, a person should go for more than one session for reinforcement. I now know what it feels like to go for one session and be hypnotized during it.

 

[CJ2008]

Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and thoughts.

I'm going to use the site that Missy gave to get an idea of who's in my area, prices, etc. If I end up going through with it I will definitely report back.

(of course, feel free to continue to post your experiences and thoughts! Just wanted to acknowledge everyone )

 

[MarionC]

I've been hypnotized several time and found it fun and pleasurably - sort of a mild high, like after a nice glass of wine - and also a bit magical.

 

[lambskin]

I would love it for appetite control But my concern is finding someone who can actually do it and not a quack. I guess the best rec would be from word of mouth but I have never met anyone who actually have done it.

 

[msop04]

The opinions in this thread make for interesting reading! I am not on PS much these days but feel compelled to add my tuppence to this.

I saw a hypnotherapist 2.5 years ago. I have suffered with anxiety & hyperchondira all my adult life. After becoming a mummy these things intensified quite badly to the point I became a serious insomniac. Every ache or pain was a cancer or something that was going to kill me, which was making me extremely low. No mummy wants to have their children grow up without them. I also lost my father when I was 27 very suddenly & myself & my family were by his bed when his heart stopped - that sort of thing can seriously mess you up for the rest of your life.

Both myself & my husband felt that at this stage, intervention was needed in some shape or form. By the way, generally I am happy go lucky & very positive, so these 'episodes' were quite serious & drawn out. I was not really a believer in hypnotherapy, but at this stage I was open to anything that may help. I did my research & decided to go with a chap from Paul McKenna's school (very famous therapist in the UK) who was based in my region. He made it quite clear before my first appointment that I was welcome to have a silent partner sit in with me should I choose, but I went alone in the end. We spent almost 2 hours chatting, laughing, sobbing - it was intense & emotionally draining. And then I got into The Chair as I have come to call it. The first session was a bit uptight as I didn't know what to expect, but by the second session I had come to trust Ken completely. The entire time I was 'under' I felt also conscious & knew that I could stop anytime I wanted, so I felt safe. I had 6 sessions & mentally I was transformed.

I had some minor health issues about 12 months later, at which point I went back to see Ken twice for some reiteration, but I am no longer the anxious ball of worry that I was. I still have my moments, don't get me wrong, but I now have the mental tools to deal with them, so I take myself off to lie on my bed in darkness sometimes to get myself back on track. I can control my thoughts now rather than them controlling me.

It worked for me, but it doesn't work for everyone. The thing to remember is to be open minded about it. And how did it feel when I was in The Chair? Like my body weighed an absolute ton & I didn't even have strength to lift an arm unless instructed to do so. Consciously aware, but moulded into the chair like playdoh. I say go for it!

Wow, Alex T, thanks for posting your experiences with hypnotherapy! I'm so glad it worked for you!

 

[msop04]

My odd story:

My Skepticism & Why I Would Recommend Trying Hyponotism for the OP's Problem:

Hypnotism was something that never interested me at all. I also knew that I was one of those skeptics who would be impossible to hypnotize.

I went on a cruise three years ago. Every night there was good free entertainment in the main auditorium - rock music, show tunes, comedy and the like.

One night, it was a hypnotist. He called 20 people to the stage who agreed to be hypnotized. After a short while, he sent about 5 people back to the audience, knowing that they couldn't be hypnotized. He was a nationally known hypnotist who wrote books and also helped with studies at the medical school at Yale. The show was goofy, and he had the people do funny things while they were under hypnosis. It was done tastefully, and there was nothing done that would really embarrass someone. I felt it was all real, and not an act...but this was ~not~ what I found interesting. That came later. After the show, the hypnotist invited all members of the audience to return to the auditorium the following afternoon for a free session where he would hypnotize us while sitting in the audience, not on stage, and he would do a free weight loss hypnotism session.

Now, I was intrigued. This would not be a dramatic, funny presentation, it was free, and being a not obese but healthily chubby person, I thought, why not? And I was wondering if I could be hypnotized knowing I am a skeptic and resistant to the idea in general. I decided to go the next day and approach it with an open mind and see what happened.

The next day, only about one tenth of last night's audience showed up.

He told us to close our eyes and relax. He started talking about healthy eating habits, and about being satisfied with smaller amounts of food, about being mindful of each bite, and other nutrition advice that was sound. He spoke in a gently rhythmic way about food and guided us through a deep relaxation to a hypnotic state.

I definitely "went under." In this state I could hear his words with a feeling of undivided attention and heightened sensitivity. I felt pleasure, not very unlike what I felt after taking Percoset after an invasive dental procedure last month.

Afterwards, I found myself losing weight and being satisfied with smaller portions. However, it only lasted a few weeks. I hadn't thought about it in a few years...your post reminded me of it, and I can tell that if I remember what he said and think about it, it can work for me again without being hypnotized again. This is why I think a good hypnotist can be effective for some people who want to break habits such as smoking and overeating. If it is tried, a person should go for more than one session for reinforcement. I now know what it feels like to go for one session and be hypnotized during it.

Holy crap, Sky!!! That is awesome (well, so is Percocet, so... ) -- and a perfect example of the importance of "maintenance"/reinforcement! Gosh, I sure do wish I was on that cruise as well...

 

[msop04]

I've been hypnotized several time and found it fun and pleasurably - sort of a mild high, like after a nice glass of wine - and also a bit magical.

I, for one, hope that I have an experience like Sky and Jimmianne... sounds soooo relaxing...

 

[Sky56]