have i made a mistake

[dazza29128]

Hey guys/gals, so heres the deal i have been looking for an engagement ring to buy and after looking for weeks finally decided on a ritani setting. Now i wanted to buy the diamond from them as well so everything was pretty much done for me and i didn't have to worry about getting it set. My budget was nomore than about 10k Australian for the ring and diamond along with fees etc, the thing is i had about $6400 usd as this is how i got my quote on the diamond and the rest on everything else. I done as much research as i could and noticed with my amount if i wanted a quality diamond it would end up being a bit smaller, i ended up with a round brilliant .93 carat ideal cut f color vs2 no fluorescence exellent symmetry,polish and table of 59% a depth of 60% crown angle of 34 and pavilion angle of 40.6 with medium girdle equaling a HCA rating of 1.0 and excellent in all categories. Now heres where the possible mistake comes in, i didn't ask for ideal-scope or any other imagery and im now worried i probably should have as there's no point in having everything else great if i cant see there is flaws. Should i hold off and ask for these first before they ship it as in in Australia and it would be a pain to send it back. All opinions would be appreciated. Also is this too much to spend on a diamond this size or should i go a bit bigger and sacrifice something else in the other c'sThanks

 

[thecat]

Hold off and ask for idealscope.

 

[TC1987]

Hold for the idealscope and ASET, but it's probably a good stone. It's a "60/60" (60% table, 60% depth) and those can be good or bad. There are old discussions on here about it, but they tend to be bright stones, more brilliance than fire, and the arrows are not as "strong." Most people on PS prefer a smaller table, a bit deeper stone that has more crown height and steeper crown angle for more fire.

more on that: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/preferred-specs-cheat-sheet-for-rounds.88548/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/preferred-specs-cheat-sheet-for-rounds.88548/[/URL]

more on 60/60 https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond

 

[dazza29128]

Thanks for the information as i wasn't aware of the term 60/60. Reading up on it has sort of turned me off now, guess i should keep looking for another diamond

 

[diamondseeker2006]

It's not necessarily bad, it is just not everyone's preference. Always ask for images of a diamond before you spend thousands of dollars. If they don't provide them, go through WhiteFlash because they have images on all in-house stones and they are Ritani dealers.

 

[dazza29128]

from what I've read so far a 60/60 seems to lack fire but has better light return if i understand correctly, however if that were the case why does the HCA show excellent in all categories? if this is a well known fact shouldn't the tool be able to recognize that?

 

[marymm]

I for one love a well-cut 60/60 stone - and your F-VS2 stone is more than likely well-cut based on the numbers and the HCA 1.0 score - and I am guessing the HCA results actually said something like "1.0 total - Excellent on the BIC scale" (with BIC meaning Brilliant Ideal Cut) thus giving you a head's up about its cut design. Here's more info on the HCA tool and the BIC/TIC/FIC scale - http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm

While I agree it is best to have as much info as possible before buying a diamond online, particularly when it comes to round diamonds I would be comfortable with a GIA or AGS grading report, the HCA results (if under 2.0), and the AGA Cut Class results (if scoring 1A).

And more accurately a BIC shows more white light (brilliance) and less fire, as opposed to a FIC (Fiery Ideal Cut) which shows more fire and less white light - a TIC (Tolkowlsky Ideal Cut) shows a balance of white light and fire. A BIC will exhibit fire, just less than a TIC and a FIC would.

 

[dazza29128]

says total visual 1.0 excellent and performance within TIC range

 

[marymm]

says total visual 1.0 excellent and performance within TIC range

You are right - I ran the HCA tool also and got the same results. I apologize for not reading your initial post closely - TICs have crown angles between 32.5 and 35.5, with BICs lower than 32.5, and FICs higher than 35.5. Your stone has a CA of 34.0, so is not a BIC on the HCA scale.

The HCA plot pattern shown for your results does show your stone would fall within the AGS Triple Ideal white box. If you have all the numbers from the grading report, maybe run the AGA Cut Class tool and see what that shows you? https://www.pricescope.com/tools/AGA_NAJA_Cut_Class_Grader

eta: running a PS diamond search for 0.93ct F-VS2 GIA stones returned 3 results, all GIA XXX, with prices ranging from $5785 (B2C Jewels) to $6405 (Blue Nile) - so it looks like your stone is very fairly priced and within market range.

 

[dazza29128]

these are the results although i have no idea what it means lol so any help would be great

Tab Percent: 1B
Crown Angle: 1A
Crown Height: 1B
Pavilion Depth: 3B
Girdle: 1A
Depth: 1A
Polish: 1A
Symmetry: 1A
TotalGrade: 3A

 

[marymm]

these are the results although i have no idea what it means lol so any help would be great

Tab Percent: 1B
Crown Angle: 1A
Crown Height: 1B
Pavilion Depth: 3B
Girdle: 1A
Depth: 1A
Polish: 1A
Symmetry: 1A
TotalGrade: 3A

What is the pavilion depth number you entered?

eta: here's the AGA RB grading chart for reference - https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-grading-chart-round

 

[dazza29128]

oops i put the angle....here is the right depth added

Tab Percent: 1B
Crown Angle: 1A
Crown Height: 1B
Pavilion Depth: 1A
Girdle: 1A
Depth: 1A
Polish: 1A
Symmetry: 1A
TotalGrade: 1B

 

[marymm]

oops i put the angle....here is the right depth added

Tab Percent: 1B
Crown Angle: 1A
Crown Height: 1B
Pavilion Depth: 1A
Girdle: 1A
Depth: 1A
Polish: 1A
Symmetry: 1A
TotalGrade: 1B

This looks right! The AGA tool prefers the TIC proportions, so a diamond with a 59 table/60 depth will always get IBs in those categories - basically this is the best score the AGA Cut Class tool will return for a 60/60-type stone. (I put the AGA Cut Class round brilliant reference chart in my post just above.)

 

[dazza29128]

i appreciate the help with all this info lol i thought i had searched everything by now, amazing how much you learn on this forum. btw so those scores mean its good?. i mean is this almost the best i could do for the amount?

 

[marymm]

Frankly, while based on the numbers I'd be thinking the F-VS2 is a very well-cut stone, if you are looking for the best diamond within your budget, I agree with diamondseeker2006 above and consider WhiteFlash as they are a Ritani dealer and their A Cut Above signature diamonds are top of the line and come with all the additional info necessary to make an informed decision.

For example, this 0.90ct G-SI1 A Cut Above - http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3034525.htm - WF certifies it as eyeclean though I would still doublecheck with them it meets your definition of eyeclean - and the IdealScope / Aset / Hearts images are excellent. The PriceScope price is $6365 and I think if you are a first-time buyer and your purchase is over $2,000 you get an additional $25.00 discount.

Not sure which Ritani setting you had selected but even if it is not pictured on the WF site as a Ritani dealer they should still be able to get it for you.

If you are still tied to your stone/setting with Ritani, then request the diamond images and go from there based on the results.

 

[dazza29128]

ok so now which out of these would u choose

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3034525.htm

or

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3045729.htm#

price difference of about $300 so no big deal

 

[dazza29128]

Or if its worth it i can stretch the budget to this, opinions?

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3034167.htm#