Has anyone sent an EGL stone to be graded by GIA or AGS?

[BeachGirlG]

So, I have a EGL 3 stone emerald cut (1.01 center & .35 each side). I hate the setting it's in...yellow gold, slightly crooked. I have had it dipped in rhodium so it looks better, but the center stone is still crooked in the setting and I don't like the prongs. I'm thinking about sending it to one of the vendors to reset it in something else. After they take it apart, I'd like to send it to GIA or AGS to be graded and laser inscribed.

Has anyone done this and how "off" was the stone? My EGL cert says H SI1 and I'd love to know how accurate it really is.

Are there ANY stones graded accurately by EGL or do you thing EVERY SINGLE STONE they grade is off in color & clarity? Of course, I would love to find out mine is accurate.

I'm also having a hard time finding a setting without sidestones so I can use my own. I'm even open to another style.

 

[Gypsy]

Yes, some have. We usually see the grade is two off on color. But it has been up to five.

 

[Gypsy]

As for settings. BGD will use your own sidestones. So will IDJ. And Pearlmans I think as well. They just get in the semi mounts, or create them for you, that fit your sidestones.

 

[Amys Bling]

Just wanted to say ye ring looks lovely- cant wait to see how you reset it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Very pretty! I honestly wouldn't spend the money in shipping, insurance, and grading to have that done unless you were planning to sell it. And really, for resets of existing stones, I think you are better off using a local jeweler unless you are having something custom made, such as Victor Canera or Steven Kirsch. Just choose an upscale jeweler who is used to high quality pieces and hopefully has a good bench.

 

[bcavitt]

Has anyone done this and how "off" was the stone? My EGL cert says H SI1 and I'd love to know how accurate it really is.


It also depends which EGL lab did the grading. Our store sees EGLUSA graded stones anywhere from none to 2 grades lower in color compared to GIA, but EGL Israel graded stones normally 2 to 5 colors off. It's all a matter of the standards of the lab!

Bryan Cavitt

 

[slg47]

this thread might interest you...

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/gia-vs-egl-usa-vs-egl-international-which-is-the-best-deal.162154/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/gia-vs-egl-usa-vs-egl-international-which-is-the-best-deal.162154/[/URL]


there is no 'formula' for converting EGL to GIA grades.

if you are not planning to resell then I don't think you need GIA grading. You could get the stones sent to an appraiser which should suffice for insurance purposes? Make sure you use an independent appraiser (one not affiliated with a jewelry store).

Also I second Gypsy's suggestion of not looking for a 3-stone but going with a vendor who can make the mount to the exact dimensions of your diamonds.

 

[BeachGirlG]

Thanks for the responses....

It's EGL-USA.

I know I don't NEED a new report, but I want one.

 

[kenny]

Thanks for the responses....It's EGL-USA.
I know I don't NEED a new report, but I want one.

I can understand your desire to just want to know what the grades 'really' are.

If you get an AGS or GIA report please come back and update us.
It is always an important topic here since new posters are constantly coming here thinking they got such a great deal on their EGL-graded stone - or saying they were told GIA-graded stones are more expensive. or "We are students so we bought EGL to get more for our money".

 

[oldminer]

A dealer might, on occasion, send a diamond with a problematic GIA report, to EGL so that a more liberal grade is put on paper to help the stone get sold. Sometimes this happens because the dealer is fairly sure that GIA was actually harsh in grading rather than correct. Once an appeal to GIA is denied, then all that's left sometimes is to go to another lab and try to market the diamond with another piece of paper.

Taking an EGL graded stone to GIA is pretty much not usual inside the trade. It probably does happen, but not often compared to the opposite flow I described above. Truthfully, there is zero point in doing an EGL to GIA trip. It won't work financially, or emotionally.

 

[oldminer]

Are there ANY stones graded accurately by EGL or do you thing EVERY SINGLE STONE they grade is off in color & clarity? Of course, I would love to find out mine is accurate?

They are all accurate grades by EGL. What they aren't is equal to GIA grades. Although the grading systems appear identical it is apparent to all users that only the letters and numbers of the grading system are the same, but the grades they indicate are not the same. Many times I have wished this was not so confusing, but there are many who support this ongoing confusion and make good money by doing so.

 

[BeachGirlG]

This ring was purchased in Aruba (way before I knew about PS). I wonder if other countries consider EGL a reliable/respectable lab...or if they use it as a way to get a better grade.

I do think I'm going to go ahead and do it. Even if I'm not selling it, I would still like an accurate report just for my own knowledge. I'm nosey like that!!

 

[mrmicko]

So, did you ever send in the stone for re-grading? I find myself in the exact same boat and am wondering if you were pleased or not?

 

[SB621]

So, did you ever send in the stone for re-grading? I find myself in the exact same boat and am wondering if you were pleased or not?

I'm aware this is an older thread so the OP probably won't come back and post. I sent in my D, SI2 that was EGL international to be graded by GIA and it came back F, I1. For high colors I was told EGL isn't off that much but for lower to mid range they are more generous with their estimations. Hope that helps you.

 

[ame]

I have an EGL USA, and I did it when my stone was being reset. They were close to the EGL USA grades though, I think GIA had the clarity one grade higher than EGL USA and color one grade lower, and AGS was the same as EGL USA. Id need to go get the reports from the safe deposit box though to confirm which was which, though. They were close though.

 

[ChristineRose]

I think the PS test found that EGL wasn't off terribly much or at all in many cases. But that fact is irrelevant.

Sellers know how to grade diamonds. If the EGL certificate comes back D VVS1 and the seller knows GIA would also call it a D VVS1 the seller puts the EGL paper in a drawer and sends it to GIA. There are exceptions for various reasons but don't imagine you know more about it than the guy who does it for a living.

 

[Rockdiamond]

We recently sent a stone that had been graded H/SI1 by EGL ( non US, I'm not sure which one) to GIA- and EGL was spot on!!
It was an SI1.

It was also an N color, but hey what's a few (6) shades off between friends

 

[heididdl]

We recently sent a stone that had been graded H/SI1 by EGL ( non US, I'm not sure which one) to GIA- and EGL was spot on!!
It was an SI1.

It was also an N color, but hey what's a few (6) shades off between friends

Every time I read one of these post it freaks me out. My studs bought one year ago today are F Si1 and G si1 from EGL International. I went into buying them knowing that they weren't GIA or AGS but after some assurance from PS that as long as I paid for what I knew wasn't accurate grading that I should be okay with it.

My studs are 2.41 tcw and I thought I'd have to go with just 2.00 with GIA or AGS graded stones so for the price I paid ( I traded in 2.05 yuck cut non sparkly stones) and $$$$$....Every month I check the PS diamond search and I still feel good that I didn't over pay for my EGL International studs plus I got much larger than I could have afforded for GIA.

That being said I still have days where I want them GIA certified but I know if I do and they come back J color I1...I will not be happy to see it on paper.

Also, I have had an independent jewelry plus like 4 other gemologist look at them and they are concur that they are H-I and Si2 in their opinions. So I should end it there and be happy.

Bottom line don't have them recertified it only causes heart ache lol

 

[braga123]

A few weeks ago, I posted a thread on whether PSer's can distinguish between the near colorless and the J-K-L diamonds in real life situations. The majority of people who participated in the poll said that they could. What didn't make sense to me, was how EGL can get away with grading the colors higher if most people can distinguish color

 

[TC1987]

A few weeks ago, I posted a thread on whether PSer's can distinguish between the near colorless and the J-K-L diamonds in real life situations. The majority of people who participated in the poll said that they could. What didn't make sense to me, was how EGL can get away with grading the colors higher if most people can distinguish color

Denver Appraiser answered that, above: GIA has their GIA grading system, EGL has its own grading system that sounds the same and used the same labels as the GIA system but they (EGL) have defined the grades differently.

It's like Canadian dollars and US dollars. Or, metric tonnes 1,000 kilograms (2,204.6 pounds) vs. UK tons 2,240 pounds (1,016 kg). the terms may sound the same, but the amounts differ.

 

[ChristineRose]

A few weeks ago, I posted a thread on whether PSer's can distinguish between the near colorless and the J-K-L diamonds in real life situations. The majority of people who participated in the poll said that they could. What didn't make sense to me, was how EGL can get away with grading the colors higher if most people can distinguish color

Jeweler's stores use halogen spot lighting, which is not a real life situation. Furthermore they miseducate people, telling them that a K is yellow and unsuitable for an ER and that they refuse to sell Ks, unlike that PS recommended Internet dealer who proudly offers a (gasp!) old cut K.

I've long thought that the 4cs were more about selling than educating. The first two Cs should be Certificate Cheating.