goldberry

[margie rogerson]

To reply to the "delonn" postings of 7/5/06 regarding delonn's appointment in goldberry: Delonn requested an appointment in goldberry in order to view a loose diamond he purchased on Blue Nile using goldberry's AGS ASET to see for himself the results of the cut grade of the diamond and have the diamond set into a goldberry custom platinum ring. His request to set his diamond was refused and his business was in fact turned away. This happened because his diamond did not appear to be a 0 cut grade when viewed with the ASET. goldberry could not take the responsibilty of setting a diamond which did not appear to match the cert. The sugestion was made that if he did decide to return the diamond to Blue Nile that he consider a higher color grade since he seemed to be "very" concerned about the over all quality of the diamond. Cut grade is an important element but color is more important in terms of the over-all appearance of the diamond. Most people notice color before cut grade thus the recommendation to consider a higher color grade with a lower cut grade within the same price point. There was no attempt to sell him a diamond as there are no diamonds in goldberry.(Except in wedding bands & eternity rings which are less than .10 carats.)

goldberry's collection is the very finest in Burmese Ruby, Ceylon Sapphire & Colobian Emerald. For diamonds goldberry will search the entire market for the best diamond at the best price. No attempt to search for or price a diamnond for "delonn" was sugested or made. goldberry is a member of AGTA (American Gem Trade Society).


www.goldberry.com

 

[margie rogerson]

hopefully delonn is not blaming goldberry for the cert and the diamond not matching exactly

 

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Date: 11/14/2006 3:37:23 PM
Author:margie rogerson
To reply to the ''delonn'' postings of 7/5/06 regarding delonn''s appointment in goldberry: Delonn requested an appointment in goldberry in order to view a loose diamond he purchased on Blue Nile using goldberry''s AGS ASET to see for himself the results of the cut grade of the diamond and have the diamond set into a goldberry custom platinum ring. His request to set his diamond was refused and his business was in fact turned away. This happened because his diamond did not appear to be a 0 cut grade when viewed with the ASET. goldberry could not take the responsibilty of setting a diamond which did not appear to match the cert. The sugestion was made that if he did decide to return the diamond to Blue Nile that he consider a higher color grade since he seemed to be ''very'' concerned about the over all quality of the diamond. Cut grade is an important element but color is more important in terms of the over-all appearance of the diamond. Most people notice color before cut grade thus the recommendation to consider a higher color grade with a lower cut grade within the same price point. There was no attempt to sell him a diamond as there are no diamonds in goldberry.(Except in wedding bands & eternity rings which are less than .10 carats.)

goldberry''s collection is the very finest in Burmese Ruby, Ceylon Sapphire & Colobian Emerald. For diamonds goldberry will search the entire market for the best diamond at the best price. No attempt to search for or price a diamnond for ''delonn'' was sugested or made. goldberry is a member of AGTA (American Gem Trade Society).


www.goldberry.com

Don''t know about the posts you are referring to, but ...
A majority of people on PS would beg to differ with the above highlighted comments. Most feel that cut is the most important C of all - it will give the diamond its life. I daresay many will notice the sparkle of a diamond just as quickly as color. If it is a dud of a diamond, it doesn''t really matter what color it is - why bother paying for color if the diamond isn''t sparkly?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/14/2006 4:08:25 PM
Author:

Date: 11/14/2006 3:37:23 PM
Author:margie rogerson
To reply to the ''delonn'' postings of 7/5/06 regarding delonn''s appointment in goldberry: Delonn requested an appointment in goldberry in order to view a loose diamond he purchased on Blue Nile using goldberry''s AGS ASET to see for himself the results of the cut grade of the diamond and have the diamond set into a goldberry custom platinum ring. His request to set his diamond was refused and his business was in fact turned away. This happened because his diamond did not appear to be a 0 cut grade when viewed with the ASET. goldberry could not take the responsibilty of setting a diamond which did not appear to match the cert. The sugestion was made that if he did decide to return the diamond to Blue Nile that he consider a higher color grade since he seemed to be ''very'' concerned about the over all quality of the diamond. Cut grade is an important element but color is more important in terms of the over-all appearance of the diamond. Most people notice color before cut grade thus the recommendation to consider a higher color grade with a lower cut grade within the same price point. There was no attempt to sell him a diamond as there are no diamonds in goldberry.(Except in wedding bands & eternity rings which are less than .10 carats.)

goldberry''s collection is the very finest in Burmese Ruby, Ceylon Sapphire & Colobian Emerald. For diamonds goldberry will search the entire market for the best diamond at the best price. No attempt to search for or price a diamnond for ''delonn'' was sugested or made. goldberry is a member of AGTA (American Gem Trade Society).


www.goldberry.com

Don''t know about the posts you are referring to, but ...
A majority of people on PS would beg to differ with the above highlighted comments. Most feel that cut is the most important C of all - it will give the diamond its life. I daresay many will notice the sparkle of a diamond just as quickly as color. If it is a dud of a diamond, it doesn''t really matter what color it is - why bother paying for color if the diamond isn''t sparkly?

Agreed. And a well cut diamond will hide color.

 

[margie rogerson]

It is true a sparkling diamond is nicer than a dead diamond but a yellow diamond is yellow. Once you are at H color it is quite yellow. (he had an "H")

The cut will not hide that. D E & F may look the same in a retail store with heavy artifical lighting conditions but take the diamond outside and view it with natural light. Good symmetry in a D color will always cost more than an F color with excellent symmetry.

 

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Date: 11/14/2006 5:41:37 PM
Author: margie rogerson
It is true a sparkling diamond is nicer than a dead diamond but a yellow diamond is yellow. Once you are at H color it is quite yellow. (he had an ''H'')

The cut will not hide that. D E & F may look the same in a retail store with heavy artifical lighting conditions but take the diamond outside and view it with natural light. Good symmetry in a D color will always cost more than an F color with excellent symmetry.

H is still ''near colorless'', albeit not colorless, not ''quite yellow'' LOL!

and a D color will not hide a poor cut!!

 

[jaz464]

Date: 11/14/2006 5:41:37 PM
Author: margie rogerson
Once you are at H color it is quite yellow.

Ouch


Apparently you haven''t seen some of the H, I and J colored diamonds around here. With the superior cut that most PSers require, they face up gorgously white.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Gee, I must have some color perception problems because my H just does not look the LEAST bit yellow!

 

[margie rogerson]

Perhaps in your mind but in the market place a D color with good symmetry costs more than an F color with excellent symmetry. The price reflects the general public''s tastes and demands.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 11/14/2006 6:09:56 PM
Author: margie rogerson
Perhaps in your mind but in the market place a D color with good symmetry costs more than an F color with excellent symmetry. The price reflects the general public''s tastes and demands.

Yes, and that is why you''ll see 99% of people on this forum choosing F-H (and even I-J) over D-E but with excellent/ideal cut.

 

[margie rogerson]

A D color has always been much more rare. Nature creates much less of them. Any diamond can now be cut well with new technology.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

We are completely aware that D color is more rare. But G-H diamonds in ideal cut face up white and unless you put them next to a D, you do not see any color. This forum educates people on the importance of cut to the beauty of the diamond, and I''d never consider a good cut D over an ideal cut F-H.

 

[margie rogerson]

When women compare their diamonds (which of course everyone does) the whiter diamond is whiter which is why prices in the market place reflect high prices for higher colors.

Further, most people don''t have their diamonds professionaly cleaned on a daily basis to keep them sparkling so color becomes even more important in the over all beauty of the diamond. Haven''t you noticed that after a diamond has been worn for a while the sparkle goes away untill it is cleaned again ?

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 11/14/2006 6:42:06 PM
Author: margie rogerson
When women compare their diamonds (which of course everyone does) the whiter diamond is whiter which is why prices in the market place reflect high prices for higher colors.

Further, most people don''t have their diamonds professionaly cleaned on a daily basis to keep them sparkling so color becomes even more important in the over all beauty of the diamond. Haven''t you noticed that after a diamond has been worn for a while the sparkle goes away untill it is cleaned again ?

Most of us are obsessed with cleaning our rings. Many of us have ultrasonics etc.. A good professional cleaning is great, but not needed on a daily basis. That''s crazy!! Methinks you have found the wrong audience here. Cause I''m not buying anything you have said so far.

 

[margie rogerson]

Of course you don''t have high pressure steam equipement in your home and can not daily professionally clean your gems & the consumer home ultrasonics will not give the same results but that doesn''t change the reality that white diamonds for hundreds of years have been considered more valuable.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/14/2006 6:55:00 PM
Author: margie rogerson
Of course you don''t have high pressure steam equipement in your home and can not daily professionally clean your gems & the consumer home ultrasonics will not give the same results but that doesn''t change the reality that white diamonds for hundreds of years have been considered more valuable.

A lot of people have the same ultrasonics that the shops use.
Lisa does for sure.

Its news to me that white diamonds are more valuable than colored ones....
Guess the people buying and selling blue,red, pink and some yellow ones havent heard that yet :}

D is over hyped marketing and is hoarded up the supply chain to keep the prices high.
Just like all diamonds but worse....

 

[angeline]

Date: 11/14/2006 7:33:33 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/14/2006 6:55:00 PM

Author: margie rogerson

Of course you don''t have high pressure steam equipement in your home and can not daily professionally clean your gems & the consumer home ultrasonics will not give the same results but that doesn''t change the reality that white diamonds for hundreds of years have been considered more valuable.

A lot of people have the same ultrasonics that the shops use.

Lisa does for sure.


Its news to me that white diamonds are more valuable than colored ones....

Guess the people buying and selling blue,red, pink and some yellow ones havent heard that yet :}


D is over hyped marketing and is hoarded up the supply chain to keep the prices high.

Just like all diamonds but worse....

Well said strmrdr, I love my rock as much as the next PS''er but at the end of the day it has no intrinsic value. Ain''t gonna keep me warm, or feed me or teach me anything. It''s just a pretty shiny thing that sits on my finger. The ''value'' of it is purely man-made as in marketing, advertising-driven, brainwashing hype. and I love it! But I still recognise it for what it is, a chunk of carbon. I appreciate the science behind the light reflection, but it ain''t rocket science, or curing cancer, all the same.

So I think it''s a bit, I dunno, pretentious, to say that one color is ''better'' than another in an absolute sense. It may be more expensive, more commoditised, but it doesn''t have an intrinsic quality of ''betterness''. It''s just a different color.

Anyway, my .02c.

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[lisaC]

You have certainly done yourself a disservice with your posts. Your arrogant take on Colour being King to cut is certainly going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Perhaps you''d rather keep your clientele exclusive.