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God-daughter is doing online pawn

And for the website to set that up as 'drive business to our site using your real instagram as a lure/advertising satellite' is pretty underhanded. It will hurt all the people who participated down the track, when someone comes to see whether they can be solicited in real life -- I think this will be a nightmare,

So true. And according to the things I read about the site, many, many people have started doing it during lockdown.

and the close family (especially siblings) could also get targeted.

Omg, I didn't even think of this!

Its not clear to me if she owns the content she uploads,

The new IG has a copyright line in the bio, so I guess content creators on that site own their content. But apparently people take screenshots and fling them out onto the internet. Once it's out there, it's out there.
 
I am reminded of an oldie-but-goodie headline from The Onion:

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I’m a “young woman today” (same age as your goddaughter) and, no, I wouldn’t find this sort of gig empowering. Granted, I also wouldn’t feel #empowered working 3 jobs or moving back in with my folks (the alternatives you mentioned).

Forgive the tangent, but “empowerment” strikes me as a hollow catchphrase, more often than not. Empowerment = I did what I wanted and it felt good. Feeling empowered is not the same as having real power. Depoliticized, you-go-girl “feminism” like this drives me to drink. Us gals sure feel liberated now that we are no longer expected to be just beautiful, but also sexually virtuostic and aggressively hot to trot! Radical stuff.

To be clear, I don’t have a fundamental problem with sex work(ers) in general, nor with your goddaughter in specific. I make all kinds of choices that aren’t exactly grand feminist statements (quoth MQoS atop her 4” stilettos), and I have friends who’ve done work similar to your GD. I just don’t like being sold a line of bullsh*t that my shoes are a declaration of female agency, or that self-objectifying OF content/IG nipples are somehow a site of resistance against oppressive patriarchal hegemony. Like, c’mon.

Rant aside: Try not to judge her. Are you two close? Or are you just witnessing this new development from afar?
 
Another thing about the site, apart from basically forcing you to use your real name, is that it creates "relationships" between you and your subscribers. Yes, there's a lot of free pawn in the internet, but apparently this site is about creating special content for subscribers, and you send them text messages and basically strike up a "relationship" with them, which they pay for. I can't imagine any environment more ripe for gaining stalkers.
 
Thanks, @Mary Queen of Scotch. I like your post, and I agree with it. Why does everything that's meant to set us free end up making our lives more complicated?? We got out of the kitchen, but found ourselves with the second shift after work. Men have taken DECADES to catch up to doing their part with housework and childcare, and are still way behind. The Pill liberated us from endless childbearing, but the side-effect was that women were then expected to put out without commitment, since they weren't risking having a baby anymore every time they had s*x. (If this sounds old-fashioned, when I was young I remember several young women in despair in my office who were in longterm non-committed partnerships and who wanted commitment, and cried everytime they got a wedding invitation. Despite our hyper-sexualized world, the majority of young woman still want commitment.)

We won't experience true liberation until our bodies are no longer objects of list and fascination, and social media has hardly helped in THAT regard.

On the other hand, some women are making 10k or 15k a MONTH on onlyfans. I guess money in itself is liberating.

But my GD only has a couple of thousand subscribers on her IG, many of whom are her family and friends. Not sure how she's going to get onlyfans subscribers.

We're close but I'm not planning to say anything about this. I don't see the point. Her parents have talked to her, and she's very into the SlutWalk/Take Back the Night movements, so I think she sees this as empowerment. *head in hands* What could possibly go wrong???

I saw a photo of her hanging out at a really expensive health club a few weeks ago, and I assumed she was there with a friend or had a guest pass, because she wouldn't normally be able to afford it. Now I'm thinking I know how she can. :eek-2:

God, what if she's already done other types of s*x work? As in, the in-person type? Maybe that's what all the partially-clothed, super-flirty regular IG photos are about.

Honestly, if she wants to do sex work, I feel like she'd be better off being a sugar baby. At least then you only have one person that you have to vet.

Sigh.
 
It isn’t just about what men might do to them. But I think it’s naive to not be cautious. Sexual assault is so common among women generally.
I am reminded of an oldie-but-goodie headline from The Onion:

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I’m a “young woman today” (same age as your goddaughter) and, no, I wouldn’t find this sort of gig empowering. Granted, I also wouldn’t feel #empowered working 3 jobs or moving back in with my folks (the alternatives you mentioned).

Forgive the tangent, but “empowerment” strikes me as a hollow catchphrase, more often than not. Empowerment = I did what I wanted and it felt good. Feeling empowered is not the same as having real power. Depoliticized, you-go-girl “feminism” like this drives me to drink. Us gals sure feel liberated now that we are no longer expected to be just beautiful, but also sexually virtuostic and aggressively hot to trot! Radical stuff.

To be clear, I don’t have a fundamental problem with sex work(ers) in general, nor with your goddaughter in specific. I make all kinds of choices that aren’t exactly grand feminist statements (quoth MQoS atop her 4” stilettos), and I have friends who’ve done work similar to your GD. I just don’t like being sold a line of bullsh*t that my shoes are a declaration of female agency, or that self-objectifying OF content/IG nipples are somehow a site of resistance against oppressive patriarchal hegemony. Like, c’mon.

Rant aside: Try not to judge her. Are you two close? Or are you just witnessing this new development from afar?

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I died when I first saw this Onion article. So on point.

I get annoyed by the very notion that I am betraying my sisterhood if I refuse to see give my blessing for certain behavior with a rah-rah attitude to boot. Nah, thanks I'm good.
 
^^ And the trouble with the sexy half-naked poses on regular social media, let alone online sex work, is that it's all out there, on the internet, forever.
 
I opened this thread thinking she was starting an online pawn shop, I was so excited!

I’ll see myself out now….
 
I write this having read through some, but not all, of the responses yet, and I say this with the utmost respect... I am sad to read much of this centers around your GD and how it affects perceptions and feelings about her.

I read your other thread about her relationship with a 30 year-old man when she was 14. The path she is on now is, in my mind, exactly why that was a predatory relationship that was criminal, despite her own insistence that it was ok. There is a reason that she is making these choices, instead of capitalizing on her 70k+ a year education. There is damage done when a predator preys on a child. This is an all-too-common resulting pathway for victims of sexual predators.

Framing ones feelings about her current choices around what 'she's doing to herself and her future' further victimizes her. I think she deserves compassion - a lot of compassion. Her life was altered in a very significant way when a predator targeted her. Patience, understanding, and gentle guidance towards resources that can offer her help with understanding her past and navigating her future in a healing way would be a healthier way to channel your thoughts and energies around this development.

Jambalaya I am so sorry for what she has been through, for what she is going through (wether she is aware of it or not), and for the journey yet ahead of her. I'm sorry you have to watch someone you love struggle in ways that are hard to understand. Your love for her comes through, and it's wonderful to see that she has that.
 
This is an all-too-common resulting pathway for victims of sexual predators.

What?! Really? Jesus. Oh, man. I didn't know that. The thing is, she has two AMAZING parents, she had a couple of years of therapy when the court case was going on, and the guy went to prison for 6 years. Her parents could not have been more supportive of her. I don't know what more anyone can do at this point.

ETA: The confusing thing is is that she's really "out there," you know? Loves the Slutwalk/Take back the Night movements. She thinks this is empowering and that there's money to be made. How do I reconcile this very confident young woman with the possibility that it's all a cover-up for damage done by her past? Which interpretation is real?
 
Sex work is work (as long as its chosen vs someone forcing someone into it). She is an adult, and if she is enjoying it then I say good for her. However, given her past, I can't help but think she would be well served by being in therapy. If she goes through therapy and this isnt about past trauma, then great, zero judgement from me. But if this is about her trauma then it makes me sad.
 
What?! Really? Jesus. Oh, man. I didn't know that. The thing is, she has two AMAZING parents, she had a couple of years of therapy when the court case was going on, and the guy went to prison for 6 years. Her parents could not have been more supportive of her. I don't know what more anyone can do at this point.
That is wonderful that she is surrounded by support, and that he was brought to some justice for his crime. I am no expert, but I would be surprised if two years of therapy is enough... I don't think of this as something that can be fixed, and then you move on as you would have had it not happened. I believe it is often a lifelong journey and may require different styles of therapy.
ETA: The confusing thing is is that she's really "out there," you know? Loves the Slutwalk/Take back the Night movements. She thinks this is empowering and that there's money to be made. How do I reconcile this very confident young woman with the possibility that it's all a cover-up for damage done by her past? Which interpretation is real?
Again, I am no expert but my thoughts on this are that being a victim is a painful way of thinking of ourselves; being 'out there' and loving overtly sexualized endeavors is a way to change the narrative. Sort of a self-medication in place of professional therapy. Society has begun to understand that people turn to alcohol abuse and drugs as self-medication for painful pasts/events, I believe this is in the same vein.
 
Thank you, @rainydaze and @lovedogs. It makes me sad, too. Her sister is the total opposite - stable life, she's a teacher, is engaged to her longterm boyfriend, and rarely posts on social media, even though she has the looks to do the whole sexy-poses thing like many young women do. Same upbringing. Maybe they're just really different people, or maybe my GD's past is the difference. Who knows.
 
I don't think selling your body is not selling your craft and your mind, because I think that creating any content that caters to an audience is a form of entertainment and you have to be good at it in order to make a decent living out of it. There's only so much money one can keep paying this one person to sell them wearing skimpy clothes and mindlessly moving their bodies, and many OF sex workers are very talented/creative. Work is work and ultimately those who are professional and insightful about what they are selling will end up being the ones surviving, that's just the nature of competition. As the market gets more saturated, competition will get fierce and you will need to be pretty inventive in order to sell. It's definitely not a "shake your butt and make money" kind of a job.

That being said, I believe that approaching any work with the right mindset is the most important. No work is healthy if she is not in the right environmemt and headspace to do well. Does she actually love what she is doing, or is she using OF as a way of seeking validation from others? Is she setting professional boundaries when it comes to OF, or would she do anything for attention at the risk of herself and her family members? I think distinction like this is really what sets it apart.
 
^^ Yes, I agree that it's work and you have to be creative, but bodies have private parts and that's why we don't walk down the street naked even on the hottest days. That's part of what makes sex work different from other work. I don't think that selling your body is a clever or impressive thing to do, and I think it's MUCH more work to get trained in something and do that job, for much less money than pawn, than it is to sell your body. As women, all of us have the equipment. We could all choose to sell our bodies. I have more respect for people who could choose that but find other ways to make money, than I do for those who choose the easiest option. While earning money is never easy, I think sex work is easier than years of training and climbing the career ladder. JMO.

My GD could teach. She could move home to her supportive parents. She could re-train in real estate. Her mother is a hairdresser and co-owns a salon - she could train as a hairdresser there. She is clever and has resources, options, and lots of friends and family. She doesn't need to do this. I'm shocked and disappointed that she has chosen this route.

But I'm someone who mostly thinks that pawn is a destructive influence in society, anyway. I'm not a cool-anything-goes person. It's so much safer and nicer for physical intimacy to be between loving couples, imo. Pawn breaks up relationships and marriages, gives men unrealistic expectations of how real women look, and exposes women IRL to being expected to do the things that women in pawn do. Not to mention how dangerous it is for the pawn stars. Many women have stories of being abused on set, and then there are the stalkers and other weirdos, and the fact that their private parts and videos of them having s*x are going to be forever available on the internet. The lifelong repercussions for former pawn stars can be intense. I don't agree with the anything-goes attitude of today's society. There are reasons we don't have s*x naked in the street or go naked at the beach, and it's that some things are meant to be private.

ETA: And don't get me started on swingers. I dated one once, who professed to be fine with my refusal to get involved - and to my credit, I accepted him for who he was!! Most unlike me. :lol-2: But he didn't show me the same respect - he subtly pressured me until I began to feel depressed and broke up with him. Just the idea of people using each other's body parts, people who don't care about each other, is depressing and upsetting to me. What happened to romance???
 
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^^ Yes, I agree that it's work and you have to be creative, but bodies have private parts and that's why we don't walk down the street naked even on the hottest days. I don't think that selling your body is a clever or impressive thing to do, and I think it's MUCH more work to get trained in something and do that job, for much less money than pawn, than it is to sell your body. As women, all of us have the equipment. We could all choose to sell our bodies. I have more respect for people who could choose that but find other ways to make money, than I do for those who choose the easiest option. While earning money is never easy, I think sex work is easier than years of training and climbing the career ladder. JMO.

My GD could teach. She could move home to her supportive parents. She could re-train in real estate. Her mother is a hairdresser and co-owns a salon - she could train as a hairdresser there. She is clever and has resources, options, and lots of friends and family. She doesn't need to do this. I'm shocked and disappointed that she has chosen this route.

But I'm someone who mostly thinks that pawn is a destructive influence in society, anyway. I'm not a cool-anything-goes person. It's so much safer and nicer for physical intimacy to be between loving couples, imo. Pawn breaks up relationships and marriages, gives men unrealistic expectations of how real women look, and exposes women IRL to being expected to do the things that women in pawn do. Not to mention how dangerous it is for the pawn stars. Many women have stories of being abused on set, and then there are the stalkers and other weirdos, and the fact that their private parts and videos of them having s*x are going to be forever available on the internet. The lifelong repercussions for former pawn stars can be intense. I don't agree with the anything-goes attitude of today's society. There are reasons we don't have sex naked in the street or go naked at the beach, and it's that some things are meant to be private.

ETA: And don't get me started on swingers. I dated one once, who professed to be fine with my refusal to get involved - and to my credit, I accepted him for who he was!! Most unlike me. :lol-2: But he didn't show me the same respect - he subtly pressured me until I began to feel depressed and broke up with him. Just the idea of people using each other's body parts, people who don't care about each other, is depressing and upsetting to me. What happened to romance???

Just like we are not expected to blow up cars and go on an adventure to a magical world, I don't think most decent individuals would expect that things in reality will be the same online. And I personally find that the stigma against this kind of work stems from a lot more issues than just the work itself. It is because of the toxic work enviroment, the abuse, and the lack of regulations that paint the job in a bad light. So I think the advocacy to improve that environmemt and emphasizing that these workers have consent and humans rights. They can refuse service, show what they want to show and charge their own rates is, how I interpret, empowering. There are many that seek to produce these types of content as a form of sex-ed about things they would not normally learn in the classroom. The fact that your content is now on the internet forever is just a consequence that adults would have be willing to bear.

I do however, admit that your GD may be putting herself in unnecessarily risky situations and I would be worried as well. It is subjective to say that she has the support of friends and family if she herself feels alone and isolated. If someone I care about is doing that, I would be worried about whether they are doing this from a mentally stable and healthy perspective or from a volatile, attention-seeking way where she does not truly love what she does.

Edit: Just read the article. I think the issue with governments decriminalizing sex work is that they are not regulating it at the same time about what doesn't constitute as ethical and what rights the workers have. You can find abundant abuse in any sort of illicit underground jobs.
 
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Just like we are not expected to blow up cars and go on an adventure to a magical world, I don't think most decent individuals would expect that things in reality will be the same online.

Not exactly the same, no, but my friends and I have experienced pawn-esque moves in the bedroom. It does infiltrate the bedrooms of ordinary folk to some degree. How can it not, when pawn is so ubiquitous?

The following is not what I'm talking about above, but it just occurred to me: At college, way before the internet, I don't remember any man asking for doggy-style. Now that position is de rigueur. For me, it's dehumanizing, and it just wasn't something I had to deal with pre-internet. It is absolutely expected by men post-internet, but I've just realized that it was absent from my life pre-internet. Just a fresh observation.

I agree with most of what you say, GeLil. Except, I do think sex work is fundamentally different from other work, in addition to all the other issues you mention. Other work, in the main, doesn't exploit your body and come back to haunt you later or expose you to so many weirdos. Not like sex work, anyway. And...it's just....I mean, it's your body. What must it do to people, over time, psychologically, to have your very self used like that? As a woman, to have people enter your body who are paying to do so, and who probably therefore feel no need to treat you in a caring or careful manner, since they're a paying customer...omg, it just sounds horrible. And so dangerous on so many levels - I haven't even mentioned STDs yet!

I'm guessing that this website will be a conduit into in-person sex work if she gets to know some of her subscribers and feels comfortable enough to meet up. Sigh.
 
Not exactly the same, no, but my friends and I have experienced pawn-esque moves in the bedroom. It does infiltrate the bedrooms of ordinary folk to some degree. How can it not, when pawn is so ubiquitous?

The following is not what I'm talking about above, but it just occurred to me: At college, way before the internet, I don't remember any man asking for doggy-style. Now that position is de rigueur. For me, it's dehumanizing, and it just wasn't something I had to deal with pre-internet. It is absolutely expected by men post-internet, but I've just realized that it was absent from my life pre-internet. Just a fresh observation.

I agree with most of what you say, GeLil. Except, I do think sex work is fundamentally different from other work, in addition to all the other issues you mention. Other work, in the main, doesn't exploit your body and come back to haunt you later or expose you to so many weirdos. Not like sex work, anyway. And...it's just....I mean, it's your body. What must it do to people, over time, psychologically, to have your very self used like that? As a woman, to have people enter your body who are paying to do so, and who probably therefore feel no need to treat you in a caring or careful manner, since they're a paying customer...omg, it just sounds horrible. And so dangerous on so many levels - I haven't even mentioned STDs yet!

I'm guessing that this website will be a conduit into in-person sex work if she gets to know some of her subscribers and feels comfortable enough to meet up. Sigh.

Well desire and expectations are very different. I am certainly not doing anything that I feel is dehumanzing to me. Consuming these type of content is a way to get to know yourself and explore, as long as they aren't forcing anyone who is not willing.

The ideal version of sex work is that you only let them do what they requested if and when you are willing. You don't need to treat them like a paying customer if you don't want to. I think that is what many sex workers are trying to encourage and destigmatize. They are using their position as a sex worker to educate their audience and it is they who choose what to do and they will not be used if they do not want to. However I know that reality is not so cut and dry and there are a lot of abusive, manipulative and deceitful people that don't respect your boundaries and see it as a way to treat you in a dehumanzing way. Those experiences can certainly mess a person up and need a lot of clear cut preventive measures to avoid.

I am definitely not trying to devalue your feelings! I think it is perfectly normal to be worried especially given her past. If she is not paying mind to protecting herself, then she is putting a lot of herself at stake physically and mentally.
 
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If you dont like ****, then don't watch it. But your disrespect of any/all sex workers as being unskilled isnt necessary. And the idea that "any woman can do it", isnt the point. You don't need to like sex work, but theres no need to paint with such a wide brush and be rude. You can be worried for your family without the baggage and rudeness.
 
The ideal version of sex work is that you only let them do what they requested if and when you are willing.

But they don't know that the customer will stick to the agreement, and they are SO vulnerable once naked and in the middle of things.
 
If you dont like ****, then don't watch it. But your disrespect of any/all sex workers as being unskilled isnt necessary. And the idea that "any woman can do it", isnt the point. You don't need to like sex work, but theres no need to paint with such a wide brush and be rude. You can be worried for your family without the baggage and rudeness.

I don't think that sex work is worthy of respect. In fact, I think it's gross, all that rubbing of body parts and fluids together mostly without condoms. Imagine all those germs everywhere. It's completely disgusting, is what I really think. S*x should be between loving couples - imo, that's the healthiest and safest way to have s*x. As for pretending that I think s*x work is skilled work, I'm just not going to do that. I could make a s*x video with my phone right now and probably get some money for it, with zero experience, just because I have body parts.

Basically, s*x work is just bad. On so many levels. It's bad for society, it's bad for regular couples, which means it's bad for children if one parent indulging in these services breaks up a marriage, and it's an absolute disaster waiting to happen in so many ways for female performers and workers. Health-wise, safety-wise, future-life-wise, psychologically. I hate that we've come to a place in society where we're all "mustn't judge" about something as absolutely god-awful, negative, and all-round damaging as s*x work.
 
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@lovedogs, here is one of the few studies following up s*x workers after 15 years. Their rates of STDs and infertility are very high, as is their rate of mental health issues and addiction. How can you be OK with an industry that does this to women? It's all very well saying that if it was all regulated these problems would go away, but it's a fundamentally soul-destroying job that attracts a large number of dangerous characters.

 
I don't think that sex work is worthy of respect. In fact, I think it's gross, all that rubbing of body parts and fluids together mostly without condoms. Imagine all those germs everywhere. It's completely disgusting, is what I really think. S*x should be between loving couples - imo, that's the healthiest and safest way to have s*x. As for pretending that I think s*x work is skilled work, I'm just not going to do that. I could make a s*x video with my phone right now and probably get some money for it, with zero experience, just because I have body parts.

Basically, s*x work is just bad. On so many levels. It's bad for society, it's bad for regular couples, which means it's bad for children if one parent indulging in these services breaks up a marriage, and it's an absolute disaster waiting to happen in so many ways for female performers and workers. Health-wise, safety-wise, future-life-wise, psychologically. I hate that we've come to a place in society where we're all "mustn't judge" about something as absolutely god-awful, negative, and all-round damaging as s*x work.

^ Down right hurtful to sex workers and anyone and everyone trying to destigmatize the nature of sex work and change the industry for the better. As for the "destructiveness" of it all - dont't blame the temptation, blame the person who succumbed to it. The existence of alcohol is not what makes a person an alcoholic.

I am not going to participate any futher.
 
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^^ I don't see how any amount of destigmatizing can offset the terrible negatives of this industry.

It would be more helpful to help workers get OUT of the industry, by offering them healthcare including treatment for addiction, for mental-health issues, and by offering them re-training at something they'd like to do, so that they can live dignified and safe lives.
 
Yikes, what is the deal with all the judgey body policing threads recently? Boring and gross.

If you don’t like Onlyfans, don’t subscribe. If you don’t like IG models, don’t follow. If you don’t like WAP, don’t listen. If you don’t like suggestive Grammy performances, don’t watch.

Jamba, it sounds like your goddaughter has lived a life very different from your own, and you seem ill equipped and unable to connect with her because of that. I can see how this distance is worrisome and at times painful for you and I’m sorry for that. You might find that it’s easier to see eye to eye with someone when you have stopped looking down your nose at them. I encourage you to seek therapy/support and work on your blindspots, so that you can grow to be a better, more accepting, and supportive godparent.
 
Although I myself am not cut out for se* work & could never do anything in that realm, I personally think that OF has been a Godsend & is an amazing platform for adult actresses, actors & cam stars! If you compare the salaries of your average high paying p**n stars to the salaries of the same high profile actors/actresses on OF, they are making mountains more of cash on OF, plus they own all of their own content, & can regulate who sees it, are their own bosses & aren't being pressured to perform under an agency. Plus, in order to post adult content on OF you have to provide ID & have all performers sign consent contracts, which in turn makes it safer & harder for material which is actually abusive in nature or considered human trafficking to be uploaded & distributed.

I truly think these people, but especially women are taking back their power; monetarily & on set through the use of this platform, & anything that makes them feel safer, I will root for.

I am all for turning the s*x industry & p**n sites as we know them on their heads, as yes, I do believe most are sick, male dominating/focused & aren't providing safe spaces for these women. So I love that these people are getting a place to sell content, make more money, & make these executive decisions. Now the notion that all s** work is degrading & just plain horrible & gross is your opinion & your opinion only. Just know there are many who do not feel this way & actually find the ridicule & backlash more traumatizing & stigmatizing than the actual work itself! You perpetuate the notion that all of these women are helpless, brainless people incapable of making empowering decisions when in reality, most adult content creators would describe their work as exactly that: empowering.

We shouldn't push our ideals when it comes to sex & sexuality on others, especially when nobody is getting hurt. We are all different, beautiful, & complex when it comes to sexuality & what makes us each feel liberated & powerful. Plus, frankly even though you haven't mentioned her name, I hope she never comes across this degrading thread, as I find it gross to even be discussing another woman's private matters (such as s** work & trauma) on a public internet forum like this, but that's just me.
 
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Although I myself am not cut out for se* work & could never do anything in that realm, I personally think that OF has been a Godsend & is an amazing platform for adult actresses, actors & cam stars. If you compare the salaries of your average high paying p**n star to the salaries of the same high profile actors/actresses on OF, they are making mountains more of cash on OF, plus they own all of their own content, & can regulate who sees it, are their own boss & aren't being pressured to perform under an agency. Plus, in order to post adult content on OF you have to provide ID & have all performers sign consent contracts, which in turn make it safer & harder for material which is actually abuse/trafficking to be uploaded & distributed.

I truly think these people, but especially women are taking back their power; monetarily & on set through the use of this platform, & anything that makes them feel safer, I will root for.

I am all for turning the s*x industry & p**n sites as we know them on their heads, as yes, I do believe most are sick & aren't providing safe spaces for these women. So I love that these people are getting a place to sell content, make more money, & make these executive decisions. Now the notion that all s** work is degrading & just gross, & horrible is your opinion & your opinion only. Just know there are many who do not feel this way & actually find the ridicule & backlash more traumatizing & stigmatizing than the actual work itself! You perpetuate the notion that all of these women are helpless, brainless people incapable of making empowering decisions when in reality, most adult content creators would describe their work as exactly that: empowering.

We shouldn't push our ideals when it comes to sex & sexuality on others. We are all different, beautiful, & complex when it comes to sexuality & what makes us feel liberated & powerful. Plus, frankly even though you haven't mentioned her name, I hope she never comes across this degrading thread, as I find it gross to even be discussing another woman's private matters such as s** work & trauma on a public internet forum like this in such a way, but that's just me.

Well said. That’s what I came in to comment on this thread. It took a bit of a turn that I wasn’t expecting.
 
Well said. That’s what I came in to comment on this thread. It took a bit of a turn that I wasn’t expecting.

Thank you, Nowadays I'm usually pretty lax & even when I disagree I no longer comment, but this one needed to come out. We're all just people in the end, trying to make a living out of what we're passionate about. Also, its technically THE oldest profession alive. Just the history alone is fascinating to me, but whether or not the OP or anyone else disagrees with s** work doesn't change the fact that it will always have a place in our society & there will forever be a need for it. Its just going in different places now as the internet grows,

*Also dear lord everyone please ignore my grammar in my post, its late here & I'm blurry eyed! & take a shot every time I say "Plus" or use the ampersand hahaha
 
I find it disturbing that the OP finds any sex act not between a loving couple gross. Now don’t get me wrong I’m a 50yo woman who has been with the same man since I was 18. Would I make a s.xtape or nude pictures - nope not on your life but as 18yo’s starting our lives together yes we did look at pawn. It was never a major part of our relationship and was something that died a natural death during our 20’s from memory but it was never disgusting, dirty or forced upon either one of us.

As parents of two teenagers and one preteen we have had plenty of discussions with them about pawn and how it is not how most relationships work. That not every body - both male and female - looks like those on the screen. That their bodies are their own and no one has any right to see or touch without their permission.

I would never demonise any job - even s.. work because unless you live their lives, you don’t know what and why they are doing it.

In some cases pawn us a tool required by some - I know a woman with advanced MND who has given her husband a number of hall passes as she is locked within her body. Should that 38yo man not experience any sexual experiences or is watching pawn for release the “lesser of all evils”?

Nothing in this life is black or white - some people enjoy sex more then others, some dislike all aspects - but no one should impose “their” ideals on a person of age that seemingly has chosen to do something that is not illegal IMO.
 
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