go big or go____smaller?* help!

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

looking around for a stone a bit on the larger side. found this one. few questions:

1. is it true rounds tend to hide color better? does this look like a j or worse? better?

2. how is the spread? hollo way cut adviser puts it at a 1.9 (they say eliminate all that are over 2).

3. what will this strong fluorescence do? im told it is not milky. how do you know?

4. how in your all expert opinion is the cut on this? it is a ex ex ex , however- im told there are varying degrees on a ex ex ex. ive seen some ex ex ex that have unaligned facets. how can this be/?

thank you all for the help choosing!

my ultimate question , go for it or go smaller (with a better color/ and no fluoresce?).

 

[Starfacet]

Can you get a video? From the photo, it looks like a good J to me. I would think that the fluorescence would be an asset in this stone. I've never seen a stone with strong blue fluoro but my G color oval has medium blue, and I absolutely love the way it looks in the sun. And it doesn't make the stone look milky, although I can't say with any certainty what that looks like.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

yes. I have a video. its pretty crisp. apparently on the whiter side of a j color...... thoughts?

 

[MRBXXXFVVS1]

It depends on what your priorities are. With your budget, I personally would go with a higher color and clarity, with lower carat.

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

Do you love it? I think floro is something that can only be judged by the eye. You’ll have to see the stone in all lighting conditions, including strong sunlight to see if it becomes milky.

Personally, my priorities are an eye clean, face up white stone at a larger size, but only you can determine what your priorities are!

 

[Sunstorm]

I have seen and absolutely loved strong fluor Js that I absolutely loved. It is probably MY sweet spot. I tend to overall pick I or J. A great J is awesome and good that this is a white J. It probably faces up almost I.

But this is entirely personal and with your budget you could easily go higher in color to an I or even an H and lower in size. What are your preferences? Is it size and cut? Do you love warmer, buttery stones that tend to look more ivory white (which is my preference too)? Or do you prefer not to see a tint and would it bother you? Would you rather have an icier, stark white stone?

As to clarity at this size SIs can be nice but many are awful. A good SI is usually a good deal. Make sure this one is eye clean and the inclusions will not bother you.

Other than this weigh your options and do some soul searching as to what YOU really want, what your priorities are. You probably know it, just want some reassurence.

 

[headlight]

Hi @Glitterismyfavoritecolor
This is a very large stone and the larger you go, the more you will see color.

I see a lot of bodycolor in this particular stone, I have to be honest.

As I was scrolling down your post, when I got to the image of the stone I was “wow”, the color really stood out for me.

And I believe it will be even more apparent in person.

It would be my suggestion you go down in size and up in color as you will still have a very large stone.

To be perfectly candid, a diamond that size will be highly noticeable and I fear people will think: Wow, she has a massive diamond but it’s “yellow”.

Maybe that wouldn’t bother you but it would bother me a lot.

I think that the fact you are concerned about the color tells me you will not be happy with it ultimately.

If you are questioning it now, it will stick out to you more in real life.

This is not a super ideal, and there have been many here who got Js in their super ideal and ultimately traded for a higher color grade even from having the top cut possible.

You will have to really do your homework on gathering info on the strong fluorescence for this stone to make sure it has no adverse effect.

Also, are the included crystals black? I think I can see some reflections.

Just some things to verify and also to think about.

This stone is precisely the correct size for mm to ct weight so you are good on that point.

Personally, I think you answered your own question as to going for it or go lower size and better color or you wouldn’t be asking. Just my take.

What type of setting do you plan to get?

 

[Starfacet]

yes. I have a video. its pretty crisp. apparently on the whiter side of a j color...... thoughts?

If it's a high J with SB fluoro, it's probably a very pretty stone. As others have said, you need to see it in many different lighting conditions. The way you set will make a difference too. When I had my J AVR set in a rose gold soli, the rose gold masked the body color of the stone a bit. When I haloed it in white gold, it highlighted the body color of the stone. Part of that was probably the difference between the AVR and the melee of the halo, not just the metal.

On my new K CBI, I can see the body color in some lighting conditions and in others it's not apparent. I had to balance size with lower color and clarity (also an SI1) to stay within budget, which is what I suspect you're doing. Nothing wrong with that! I personally wouldn't rule this stone out without seeing it IRL, if you can view it with no obligation to buy. Good luck!!

 

[diamondsR4eVR]

SF does not bother me, but may bother others. I think it’s a super cool characteristic to have especially in lower colors and in certain lighting it looks so neat.

I have no problems with a J stone. The stone you posted may be really lovely in person, but you would have to judge and be okay with the color. I’m sure the SF will also help mask tint.

XXX are beautiful stones. But just like with everything else you need to see it in person and in different lighting. Playing around with a stone in all types of lighting is the fun part, I think.

I also think it takes at least a week to get to know a stone and see if you truly love it.

If you want a stone that size and you’re good with the other Cs then pull the trigger IF there’s a good return policy especially during this pandemic.

If not, keep looking. It’s a super large stone so I’m sure with your budget you can go up in color and down in carat. Maybe even go up in clarity too if you so wish. Lots to think about! GL!

 

[lovedogs]

I don't love the cut, which might be due to the 41 pav angle, but not sure. The color wouldn't bother me personally since I like warmer stones. But I do not think it will look "white" in person, so if that will bother you then I would keep looking.

Edit, I also have no problem with SBF, as long as you have seen pics/video and it doesnt look hazy.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

Hi @Glitterismyfavoritecolor
This is a very large stone and the larger you go, the more you will see color.

I see a lot of bodycolor in this particular stone, I have to be honest.

As I was scrolling down your post, when I got to the image of the stone I was “wow”, the color really stood out for me.

And I believe it will be even more apparent in person.

It would be my suggestion you go down in size and up in color as you will still have a very large stone.

To be perfectly candid, a diamond that size will be highly noticeable and I fear people will think: Wow, she has a massive diamond but it’s “yellow”.

Maybe that wouldn’t bother you but it would bother me a lot.

I think that the fact you are concerned about the color tells me you will not be happy with it ultimately.

If you are questioning it now, it will stick out to you more in real life.

This is not a super ideal, and there have been many here who got Js in their super ideal and ultimately traded for a higher color grade even from having the top cut possible.

You will have to really do your homework on gathering info on the strong fluorescence for this stone to make sure it has no adverse effect.

Also, are the included crystals black? I think I can see some reflections.

Just some things to verify and also to think about.

This stone is precisely the correct size for mm to ct weight so you are good on that point.

Personally, I think you answered your own question as to going for it or go lower size and better color or you wouldn’t be asking. Just my take.

What type of setting do you plan to get?

hi! thank you so much for the input.... well, I like a larger stone. ive seen some nice i's. I plan to put it in platinum. but am aftraid it may look tint to yellow? in which case. would switch settings... will this look yellow in a platinum? would white gold be ok?

I was told it it still 'near colorless' and the fluorescence helps it. where do you see body color if I may ask? I like I and j colors, and I thought this would be looking more like an I, even though its large, as I am told. is this wrong to thing then?
would a different shape show more color? I was told rounds hide color best? wouldn't a cushion or emerald show a lot more in color than a round? gosh, I wish there was just one easy answer

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

It depends on what your priorities are. With your budget, I personally would go with a higher color and clarity, with lower carat.

thank you for your reply. I dont want someone to say. wow. nice. but it looks yellow..... thoughts?

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

I have seen and absolutely loved strong fluor Js that I absolutely loved. It is probably MY sweet spot. I tend to overall pick I or J. A great J is awesome and good that this is a white J. It probably faces up almost I.

But this is entirely personal and with your budget you could easily go higher in color to an I or even an H and lower in size. What are your preferences? Is it size and cut? Do you love warmer, buttery stones that tend to look more ivory white (which is my preference too)? Or do you prefer not to see a tint and would it bother you? Would you rather have an icier, stark white stone?

As to clarity at this size SIs can be nice but many are awful. A good SI is usually a good deal. Make sure this one is eye clean and the inclusions will not bother you.

Other than this weigh your options and do some soul searching as to what YOU really want, what your priorities are. You probably know it, just want some reassurence.

hi.thanks for replying. you know , im with you. I like I an j. I like the colorful sparkles. but I dont like them when they are brown/yellow (leaning more towards k). its very hard. Js come in all different variations as well. ive seen nice j's and yellow ones. do you think this will have a tint? what id not want is someone to say, 'nice. but it looks yellow'. ? thoughts?

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

SF does not bother me, but may bother others. I think it’s a super cool characteristic to have especially in lower colors and in certain lighting it looks so neat.

I have no problems with a J stone. The stone you posted may be really lovely in person, but you would have to judge and be okay with the color. I’m sure the SF will also help mask tint.

XXX are beautiful stones. But just like with everything else you need to see it in person and in different lighting. Playing around with a stone in all types of lighting is the fun part, I think.

I also think it takes at least a week to get to know a stone and see if you truly love it.

If you want a stone that size and you’re good with the other Cs then pull the trigger IF there’s a good return policy especially during this pandemic.

If not, keep looking. It’s a super large stone so I’m sure with your budget you can go up in color and down in carat. Maybe even go up in clarity too if you so wish. Lots to think about! GL!

hi! yes.. 30 day return policy.i dont want to pull the trigger if I have to return it. lol. I was told the better the cut, the less noticeable the color..... thats why I chose larger, with a great cut? thoughts?

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

I don't love the cut, which might be due to the 41 pav angle, but not sure. The color wouldn't bother me personally since I like warmer stones. But I do not think it will look "white" in person, so if that will bother you then I would keep looking.

Edit, I also have no problem with SBF, as long as you have seen pics/video and it doesnt look hazy.

what does that pavilion angle have to do with cut? im learning, but your expertise on this site blows anything out of the water! thank you for all of your guys; help!

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

I was on the fence between a smaller,whiter(this is an h gia). Vs a larger looking j color round.... if you had to choose? I see some yellow in this cushion dont you guys? Or is it the photo. Not all photos look yellowish tint. This h also has strong blue flourescence. Which would you choose? If you had to? Size is important. But i dont want yellow. Help! versus this cushion. Better color (h)...

 

[diamondsR4eVR]

hi! yes.. 30 day return policy.i dont want to pull the trigger if I have to return it. lol. I was told the better the cut, the less noticeable the color..... thats why I chose larger, with a great cut? thoughts?

I don’t think any of us buy a diamond and hope to return it. We want to love it! But seeing it in person in everyday situations changes things. That’s why for piece of mind you want that assurance that you CAN return if need be.

A J is still a J even if it’s ideal. It just depends on how much tint you can tolerate. Everyone is different.

Also you need to figure out the order of your Cs. Is it cut, carat, color and clarity? Because for some it’s cut, color, carat then clarity. And sometimes carat is last. You have to figure out your order of Cs. By what you said regarding color it seems you are sacrificing color for carat and may be disappointed when you see the J in person. Even if it’s a high J. As a I said previously, I love a beautiful excellent cut J. But that’s me, other woman would not sacrifice color for a higher carat.

 

[MRBXXXFVVS1]

What about working with some of the ideal vendors with a great upgrade policy? That way, if you change your mind, you can try something new and different? They may also help to find something that faces up white and is eye clean.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

What about working with some of the ideal vendors with a great upgrade policy? That way, if you change your mind, you can try something new and different? They may also help to find something that faces up white and is eye clean.

So. This vendor told me it faces pretty white and is eye clean,yes.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

So. This vendor told me it faces pretty white and is eye clean,yes.

can you share which vendors have an upgrade or trade policy? so you dont lose too much? which would you all prefer. this round or a cushion with H color? both SF.

 

[Starfacet]

A few thoughts after reading some of your comments @Glitterismyfavoritecolor. If you want to buy something you don't have to return, go with a smaller, higher color ideal round because it lessens the possibility of you not liking the J. Unfortunately, you can only "train your eye" regarding diamond color by looking at them in person. It's even better if you can compare diamonds in a range of colors side by side. Also, you can't compare a crushed ice cushion to an ideal cut round when talking about color. They are apples and oranges.

Another thing I want to mention is that photographs can be deceiving. The camera can pick up colors in stones that you won't see with the naked eye, especially if the stone is reflecting colors in the environment. So getting your hands on the big J might be the first step in finding your dream stone, even if you are averse to the idea of sending it back for a different stone.

As far as when someone can see body color in their ideal rounds, it just depends. I personally can see color in my K CBI when I'm in my car and also when I'm in my study with low lighting, especially if I'm viewing the diamond from the side. Other times, I can't see it at all. Oh, and I found your stone online. It seems to be a good price for the size and clarity compared to what I could find on Blue Nile. That is the only vendor I checked for comparison.

 

[Kaycee2018]

The H cushion shows a lot of color in that pic, but cushions show more color than rounds and it’s larger size will show more color. As for the round, as others have stated, a J is a J and it isn’t going to be as white as in H. And a J in a larger diamond is going to show more tint than in a smaller diamond. Personally, in a diamond that size I don’t think I could go lower than a G or possibly H in color, and I don‘t consider myself to be particularly color sensitive. Some say that an ideal cut diamond will mask some tint in the face up position, and while there may be some truth to that, the reality is the tint will still be visible in certain light and from the sides (and depending on the setting, a diamond of this size will be very visible from the sides). The argument that stronger floresense helps warmer stones appear whiter remains hotly debated, so I personally wouldn’t count on that helping the color. Personally, I’d go with a slightly smaller round and get a higher color. A 3.25-3.75 ct diamond is still a very impressive size. That said, there are plenty of people with J and lower color diamonds who love the warmth and don’t mind the tint. GLD

 

[lovedogs]

can you share which vendors have an upgrade or trade policy? so you dont lose too much? which would you all prefer. this round or a cushion with H color? both SF.

Whiteflash and high performance diamonds have the best upgrade policies. You lose $0. If you buy a 4k stone today and want a 5k stone next year, you pay 1k. These vendors have ideal cuts, which most of us here value highly. They will be more expensive than the stones you are looking at, because the cut will be better.

 

[lovedogs]

what does that pavilion angle have to do with cut? im learning, but your expertise on this site blows anything out of the water! thank you for all of your guys; help!

Cut is all about angles and how the angles and proportions work together. GIA XXX is very broad, and there are some truly horrible gia XXX out there. 41 pavilion angle isn't a deal breaker or horrible, but I'm guessing that it's why I dont love the cut of the stone (from the pics).

 

[Sunstorm]

I agree with the others. Get into a great upgrade policy, the risk is just too high. Buy an ideal cut for sure, go up in color and down in size, you can upgrade at any time. I have seen nice Js in the over 3 carat range that were stunning and not one person would ever think to comment that it is a yellow stone but that it is a beautiful stone. That said just by going for an ideal cut round you can get away with a bit more color than otherwise. Yes There can be a lot of variation within a grade, it does matter, so choose a reputable vendor for sure. The cushion on that photo shows a lot of yellow and mushy cut but it could be just the photo.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

wow, you all are truly unbelievable! I haven't learned so much from any jeweler in the past 5 years as I have learned here. you guys are great!
thank you all for your inputs!

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

Here is a naive question:

Will a diamond that has a high color rating (d.e.f.g.) show or refract a higher number of colors than a lower colored stone( h i j k)?

Is there a way to measure light return and amount of different colors?
I know of he idealscooe. Aset etc.
But as a general ruke of thumb?what do you all think.... ?

 

[MRBXXXFVVS1]

Here is a naive question:

Will a diamond that has a high color rating (d.e.f.g.) show or refract a higher number of colors than a lower colored stone( h i j k)?

Is there a way to measure light return and amount of different colors?
I know of he idealscooe. Aset etc.
But as a general ruke of thumb?what do you all think.... ?

The HCA should be able to measure how much fire you would expect from the stone.

 

[Matthews1127]

I have scrolled through most of this thread.
if any of my points have already been mentioned, I’m only going to reinforce what has already been said.
modern round brilliant diamonds are completely different than any fancy cut diamond you can find in any color, cut, or carat.
Fancy cut diamonds will show more body color, even within the same color range as the modern round you are comparing it to. Their facet patterning, design, and cut alone make them unique, and trying to compare apples to oranges just isn’t worth the fight.
You need to decide on shape before you can decide on anything else.
If you are color sensitive, and you do not want your diamond to look yellow, stay within nearly colorless range between G and I. Florescence usually complements a lower color grade diamond by allowing it to appear wider in certain lighting environments. There are rare circumstances where are the florescence negatively impacts the diamond and creates a haze or milky appearance.
if you are interested in a round diamond, talk to White flash or HPD about their super ideal cut round diamonds. their cuts are superior to any other the dimensions are going to be precise and even at “I”, your diamond will face extremely white and your diameter spread in millimeters will be maximized due to the cut. even at a lower carat weight the spread will be better than a XXX GIA.
Not only are super ideals better cut, but these vendors have excellent upgrade and return policies.
You must decide for yourself if a round cut diamond suits you more than a cushion cut diamond. diving into fancy cuts introduces a whole new factor system, and makes finding the perfect one for you more difficult. for those of us who prefer fancy cats searching for fancy cats is fun. for others it’s hair pulling frustration.
My sincere apologies for any grammatical or punctuation mistakes that are made in this post as I am hands-free on my way into work. Voice text is not always accurate.
I do hope that you enjoy your journey to finding the perfect stone. please keep us updated!!

 

[AV_]

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There is no better than seeing the object in person.
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I would call a one carat J H&A colorless shamelessly, since the most I am seeing of its 7 millimeters is brilliance, the effect of the cut. You are not buying four one carat rounds & the difference is as large as the price tells.

There is no way for me to know how any detail will matter to you [in writing down impressions, anything can be big!] - unless you have a resonably large D/E diamond in the house to compare with & really, really wish the new one to feel the same - & 'J' may still not mean anything!

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