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CaliBling

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Sooo...I sort of mentioned this scenario briefly in another post and decided it deserved a post of its own, as I am literally fuming and sick to my stomach, and figured only my friends on this forum would understand my sickness...lol...

I had a girlfriend over last night (more so my BF''s bestfriend''s Girlfiend....following me here??)...anyway, she and I were by ourselves and I decided to let her into my diamond obsession and share my ideas with her, explained the difference between various styles, shapes, designers, etc... I proceeded to show her pictures of the Cushion Halo that I had in mind, and then she shrieked and said "that''s it, I love it!! I have to have it! I am definetly getting that Halo!!" She is shopping for the same amount of carats as well, 2-2.5...needless to say, I am devasted- she would never have even known ( and I am pretty confident when I say this as she is not one to do any type of research) about any of this had I not opened my big mouth...now I am literally kicking myself..I understand that MANY women love this look, and have decide to pursue, but no one in my inner circle has anything like this...yet...

Anyway, has this ever happened to anyone- and how do I handle moving forward- for example, if she asks for more details, etc...
 
AHHH!!! Hey Cali!
So annoying!!! I understand how you feel, being that I am a girl who wants what no one else has! Not sure if you saw my post about my meeting with Leon... BUt it has to be mine, and unique. Leon even gave me the option to copyright my design so that he nor anyone else can exactly replicate it... That might be a little extreme bc someone will always do it anyway so I don''t think it is worth it...
I had a friend who had a ring done that I just loved and I told her so, but I was determined to put my own take on it, to replicate it exactly would be weird IMHO... I haven''t seen theone that you want yet..(Have I?) but is there anything you can do to it to make it unique for you? Or is it a precast setting? Did you tell her where she could buy it or offer to help her?
 
When I was preggo, I told NO ONE the name for my son. I was worried about the same thing - my more preggo friend stealing MY NAME for her child!

I feel your pain.
 
Oh, that sucks! It reminds me of the Friends episode, where a random girl "steals" Monica''s wedding dress...
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:32:28 PM
Author: CrookedRock
AHHH!!! Hey Cali!
So annoying!!! I understand how you feel, being that I am a girl who wants what no one else has! Not sure if you saw my post about my meeting with Leon... BUt it has to be mine, and unique. Leon even gave me the option to copyright my design so that he nor anyone else can exactly replicate it... That might be a little extreme bc someone will always do it anyway so I don't think it is worth it...
I had a friend who had a ring done that I just loved and I told her so, but I was determined to put my own take on it, to replicate it exactly would be weird IMHO... I haven't seen theone that you want yet..(Have I?) but is there anything you can do to it to make it unique for you? Or is it a precast setting? Did you tell her where she could buy it or offer to help her?
CrookedRock!! Aarrgh!! I was devasted...I basically told her about Leon (doubt she will remember) we looked
up some of his info, I don't think that she or her boyfriend would travel to see him, but still...no I haven't discussed the details of what I am looking for, its basically a take of of Jessica Alba's with lots of little twists- totally different shank (or Shanks, I should say, hint, hint) and I am considering an East to west setting... I know that the Halo cushion thing has been done- but still. I was pissed. Who says that- "I have to have it!" what are we 12?? I basically said, "maybe we should tell eachother what we want, so we don't end up with the same ring"....then I did some sort of nervous laugh, I think...it was wierd, crooked...I was so angry with myself. Now I have vowed to NEVER bring it up again, and if she asks about it what should I say??
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:35:25 PM
Author: LitigatorChick
When I was preggo, I told NO ONE the name for my son. I was worried about the same thing - my more preggo friend stealing MY NAME for her child!

I feel your pain.
I plan on not telling a soul my child's name when I am pregnant, as I am so private about these types of things...its different when its a forum, but your inner circle? Well, that just sucks!!
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:37:53 PM
Author: choro72
Oh, that sucks! It reminds me of the Friends episode, where a random girl ''steals'' Monica''s wedding dress...
Haha, yes!! I don''t know why I can''t just let it roll off my back- I am hoping she forgets, but she got that little spark in her eye, that you can''t deny!
 
I would just tell her that you have decided not to share any details bc you want it to be a surprise when you get it. That''s pretty much what I am saying right now. I have given away some general details here, but not the little ones that matter... Be honest tel her you did too much research to give it all away, and make a joke about her finding her own. besides if it''s not a Leon it just wouln''t be the same...hehe
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As far as Jessica''s ring... I showed the pics I have to Leon and he laughed!!
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Basically he said that he couldn''t tell anything from them... And He loves east west so very cool for you, but he didn''t want to put mine that way and it has a 1:14 ratio, so look for something more rectangular. Hard I know!
 
Are you having your ring custom made, or are you buying a standard style from a designer. If you''re going the custom route, then hopefully she won''t be able to find something that is an exact match. If it were me, I wouldn''t let her in on the details of where you''re getting it, just say you haven''t found the right jeweler yet or something like that. Unfortunately, you''re right that MANY women love this design (mine is a cushion halo too). But there is still a lot of variation you can do. I was never satisfied with settings that I found in B&M stores and even on the websites of the different PS vendors. I got a lot of inspiration, but in the end I designed my own. To the regular, non-PSer, it probably looks the same as every other halo, but to me it''s got unique aspects like adding a small split and detail on the basket and the specific size I chose for the pave etc... I think you can find a way to make it your own, and even if she does get a halo, they''ll hopefully be pretty different.
On the other hand, maybe you should invite her over and show her some other designs that you "like" and are "thinknig" of changin your mind....maybe she''ll jump on that bandwagon and you can go with the halo!
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:35:25 PM
Author: LitigatorChick
When I was preggo, I told NO ONE the name for my son. I was worried about the same thing - my more preggo friend stealing MY NAME for her child!

I feel your pain.
THIS HAPPEND TO ME, LC! I use to chat on this other forum during my pregancy and I thought I could trust the board/members so I posted the name for DD. My DDs name has a lot of meaning to me and DH. It took us months to come up with the right about of characters in her name, the right meaning, and the right flow.

One day, after my DD was born, I typed in her first and middle name in google and guess what - a new baby webiste came up a few days earlier with MY daughters name! SOMEONE STOLE MY DDs NAME! DDs name is so unique, I know no one could have come up with the exact first and middle name - I was pissed.

Yes, I understand you pain CB - it would totally be upset in your shoes! It''s not cool for someone to steal ideas that so personal.
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I''m sure this is gonna sound evil and all, but I would say something to her about how you''ve put a lot of thought into what you want, reflecting YOUR personal tastes and style, and that it woud heartbreaking to you if she went for your idea.

And if she went through with it and got YOUR ring, at least she''d be remind of your words when she looked at it.
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Date: 3/13/2008 2:46:11 PM
Author: CrookedRock
I would just tell her that you have decided not to share any details bc you want it to be a surprise when you get it. That''s pretty much what I am saying right now. I have given away some general details here, but not the little ones that matter... Be honest tel her you did too much research to give it all away, and make a joke about her finding her own. besides if it''s not a Leon it just wouln''t be the same...hehe
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As far as Jessica''s ring... I showed the pics I have to Leon and he laughed!!
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Basically he said that he couldn''t tell anything from them... And He loves east west so very cool for you, but he didn''t want to put mine that way and it has a 1:14 ratio, so look for something more rectangular. Hard I know!
CrookedRock- thanks for the Leon info! And you are absolutely right, if she is not planning on doing it with Leon or going custom, it will just not be the same...I am glad that you told me about the Jessica pics- haha! Guess I better find better pics or something?? Also, did he give you an idea of ratio''s he would prefer to do in an East to west fashion?? more rectangular, or more square? Now I am a bit intrigued! I think that you are right, I am defintely not giving any ideas away and keeping everything close to the heart now! Thanks for your support!! I don''t know that I can wait 5-6 weeks for your ring! I am literally sitting on pins and needles in excitement for you!
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:53:08 PM
Author: metro


Date: 3/13/2008 2:35:25 PM
Author: LitigatorChick
When I was preggo, I told NO ONE the name for my son. I was worried about the same thing - my more preggo friend stealing MY NAME for her child!

I feel your pain.
THIS HAPPEND TO ME, LC! I use to chat on this other forum during my pregancy and I thought I could trust the board/members so I posted the name for DD. My DDs name has a lot of meaning to me and DH. It took us months to come up with the right about of characters in her name, the right meaning, and the right flow.

One day, after my DD was born, I typed in her first and middle name in google and guess what - a new baby webiste came up a few days earlier with MY daughters name! SOMEONE STOLE MY DDs NAME! DDs name is so unique, I know no one could have come up with the exact first and middle name - I was pissed.

Yes, I understand you pain CB - it would totally be upset in your shoes! It's not cool for someone to steal ideas that so personal.
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I'm sure this is gonna sound evil and all, but I would say something to her about how you've put a lot of thought into what you want, reflecting YOUR personal tastes and style, and that it woud heartbreaking to you if she went for your idea.

And if she went through with it and got YOUR ring, at least she'd be remind of your words when she looked at it.
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Metro- That Sucks!! I would have been so dissapointed! There is definelty part of me that wants to say something just like you mentioned and another part of me just wants to let it go and let her move on with some other lame idea...I do not plan to share any other info, and if its brought up again, I am just going to say " I have some ideas, but I think that I am going to keep them secret, as I want my ring to be TOTALLY unique."
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:46:55 PM
Author: BriBee
Are you having your ring custom made, or are you buying a standard style from a designer. If you''re going the custom route, then hopefully she won''t be able to find something that is an exact match. If it were me, I wouldn''t let her in on the details of where you''re getting it, just say you haven''t found the right jeweler yet or something like that. Unfortunately, you''re right that MANY women love this design (mine is a cushion halo too). But there is still a lot of variation you can do. I was never satisfied with settings that I found in B&M stores and even on the websites of the different PS vendors. I got a lot of inspiration, but in the end I designed my own. To the regular, non-PSer, it probably looks the same as every other halo, but to me it''s got unique aspects like adding a small split and detail on the basket and the specific size I chose for the pave etc... I think you can find a way to make it your own, and even if she does get a halo, they''ll hopefully be pretty different.
On the other hand, maybe you should invite her over and show her some other designs that you ''like'' and are ''thinknig'' of changin your mind....maybe she''ll jump on that bandwagon and you can go with the halo!
BriBree- I know, to the normal PS''r all halos look the same...but you and I both know that there are incredible differences... I am pretty confident that she will not go the custom ring route and they will purchase from a B&M and hopefully, something else will strike her cord...I hope. She and her BF just don''t seem to be the type to obsess over the smallest details- I just don''t see it, which has literally been my saving grace!
 
Okay, I'll be the lone dissenter. I couldn't care less if someone has the same anything as me. When I was 20 years younger, stupid things would bug me, like people wanting to decorate the same as me (same paint, same products, etc.). I freaked when my SIL who was 7 weeks "more" pregnant than me mentioned naming her baby the name we had already settled on. I LOL at that now. She was only looking at it as a second name, but I was aghast that she wasn't paying attention to what we'd already laid claim to. The anguish--she mentioned this right during her baby shower, the nerve!
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I do feel for your situation though. It would be a little close for comfort. You could just say your FI is secretly looking after all the details because you want to be surprised. Something like that. Let her find her own way. Who knows, she may change her mind a few times before it comes right down to it. She may go in another direction completely. You could even show her other ideas that you "just know would look great on *HER*!!". Good luck. Try not to sweat it. Your ring will be unique no matter what. And 20 years from now (or less) you may even be upgrading to something totally different anyway. Happened to me.
 
Thanks, Lyra...nice words of wisdom- sometimes its silly to sweat the small stuff...thanks for the fresh perspecitve, buuuuttt, it still kinda sucks...lol
 
Date: 3/13/2008 2:53:38 PM
Author: CaliBling

CrookedRock- thanks for the Leon info! And you are absolutely right, if she is not planning on doing it with Leon or going custom, it will just not be the same...I am glad that you told me about the Jessica pics- haha! Guess I better find better pics or something?? Also, did he give you an idea of ratio''s he would prefer to do in an East to west fashion?? more rectangular, or more square? Now I am a bit intrigued! I think that you are right, I am defintely not giving any ideas away and keeping everything close to the heart now! Thanks for your support!! I don''t know that I can wait 5-6 weeks for your ring! I am literally sitting on pins and needles in excitement for you!
UMMM... well what he said about mine was that if he were to set it east west it may look like we made a mistake in setting it the wrong way, just not quite rectangular enough I guess. I did not get into ratios with him too much but he said that he is the first to suggest east west bc he really likes it, it just doesn''t always showcase every stone in its glory! I took all of his suggestions and ran with them. There was probably one, two, maybe three that I somewhat disagreed with, but it''s probably bc i tend to like strange things. Oh and he isn''t a fan of trellis settings, and I don''t think you want one anyway, but just an interesting lil tid bit.
Pins and needles is an understatement for me. I just got Leon''s quote yesterday, and I have to decide if I should pave the bands all the way around or not. He doesn''t suggest it, but i really love the look... Don''t mean to threadjack, but any thoughts?
 
Date: 3/13/2008 3:10:11 PM
Author: CrookedRock

Date: 3/13/2008 2:53:38 PM
Author: CaliBling

CrookedRock- thanks for the Leon info! And you are absolutely right, if she is not planning on doing it with Leon or going custom, it will just not be the same...I am glad that you told me about the Jessica pics- haha! Guess I better find better pics or something?? Also, did he give you an idea of ratio''s he would prefer to do in an East to west fashion?? more rectangular, or more square? Now I am a bit intrigued! I think that you are right, I am defintely not giving any ideas away and keeping everything close to the heart now! Thanks for your support!! I don''t know that I can wait 5-6 weeks for your ring! I am literally sitting on pins and needles in excitement for you!
UMMM... well what he said about mine was that if he were to set it east west it may look like we made a mistake in setting it the wrong way, just not quite rectangular enough I guess. I did not get into ratios with him too much but he said that he is the first to suggest east west bc he really likes it, it just doesn''t always showcase every stone in its glory! I took all of his suggestions and ran with them. There was probably one, two, maybe three that I somewhat disagreed with, but it''s probably bc i tend to like strange things. Oh and he isn''t a fan of trellis settings, and I don''t think you want one anyway, but just an interesting lil tid bit.
Pins and needles is an understatement for me. I just got Leon''s quote yesterday, and I have to decide if I should pave the bands all the way around or not. He doesn''t suggest it, but i really love the look... Don''t mean to threadjack, but any thoughts?
First of all- you are NOT threadjacking!! I asked the random Leon questions first, and this new topic is getting my mind off of my strupid obsession about my diamond idea slip, so in all actuality, its rather therapeutic!

Hmmm... about your ring, that''s a tough one! I LOVE the look of an eternity pave band/ shank- but no one will ever really see it- only you will know its there, AND is the price difference pretty significant?? The shank of a ring is sooo different than just a band, as a band turns around all day long- trust me, that big ole'' rock ain''t goin no where on that finger of yours! lol...

I would take his recommendation coupled with the price difference to help me make my decision.

BTW- what''s a trellis?? Never heard that term before?? Just had a brilliant idea, maybe I should tell my friend about the trellis idea, so if she does go to Leon....
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Evil, I know...lol.
 
I just laughed so hard that I woke the cat up!! TOO funny, sounds like something I would do, evil I know, but don''t mess with me or my ring ideas!!!
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The price difference on just the labor is $800, plus the melee I guess which would be about another, I don''t know just under 1/2ct so at $1000 per ct of melee, total to finish the pave would be maybe $1300... in the scheme of things we are so far out there now, what the hell is another few grand!!!
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Painful for me bc believe it or not I am sooo cheap. I shop at TJ Maxx, hate malls, etc... I kinda told him he could decide, and I know he will choose to do it, but I also know that Leon would not steer me away from it if there wasn''t good reason... Oh and keep in mind we haven''t even odered the wedding band yet, which I know is about 5k... OH my god, I''ll be amazed if we even get to the wedding part! JK LOL BF really is being a trooper!
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trellis setting... HERE
 
Date: 3/13/2008 3:27:38 PM
Author: CrookedRock
I just laughed so hard that I woke the cat up!! TOO funny, sounds like something I would do, evil I know, but don''t mess with me or my ring ideas!!!
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The price difference on just the labor is $800, plus the melee I guess which would be about another, I don''t know just under 1/2ct so at $1000 per ct of melee, total to finish the pave would be maybe $1300... in the scheme of things we are so far out there now, what the hell is another few grand!!!
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Painful for me bc believe it or not I am sooo cheap. I shop at TJ Maxx, hate malls, etc... I kinda told him he could decide, and I know he will choose to do it, but I also know that Leon would not steer me away from it if there wasn''t good reason... Oh and keep in mind we haven''t even odered the wedding band yet, which I know is about 5k... OH my god, I''ll be amazed if we even get to the wedding part! JK LOL BF really is being a trooper!
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This is basically like instant messaging, its great!

At $1300, I don''t know? It sounds like a pretty significant difference, but its all relative...with the scope of your project it seems it may be a bit immaterial? I dunno...At this point, you might as well make sure you get EXACTLY what you want!

You never answered my question about the Trellis? How on earth can I carry out my sinister and evil-y delicious plan without the details, mua-hahaha....
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Date: 3/13/2008 3:00:36 PM
Author: lyra
Okay, I''ll be the lone dissenter. I couldn''t care less if someone has the same anything as me. When I was 20 years younger, stupid things would bug me, like people wanting to decorate the same as me (same paint, same products, etc.). I freaked when my SIL who was 7 weeks ''more'' pregnant than me mentioned naming her baby the name we had already settled on. I LOL at that now. She was only looking at it as a second name, but I was aghast that she wasn''t paying attention to what we''d already laid claim to. The anguish--she mentioned this right during her baby shower, the nerve!
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Not lone.
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Life is too short to get bent out of shape about stuff like this. My opinion: No one "owns" a baby name or general ring design ideas (specific designs are a different story, as there may be copyright issues, but even then, they belong to the designer, not the client).

When our second son was born, Mrs. Aubrey and I decided to use the same name that her father and older brother had as a middle name, and that her younger half-brother had as a first name, and that we had previously used as a middle name for our oldest son. No problem, you''d think? Well, when her stepmother found out, she went absolutely ballistic, to the point that she and Mrs. Aubrey had a screaming argument over the phone about it. Family name or not, she apparently felt this constitued "name theft."
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Things eventually settled down, but I have to say that this incident permanently damaged our relationship with her, and for what? It''s not like it was even some unique name she came up with.

Honestly, every kid is unique even if its name is Mary or John. The name doesn''t make any difference.
 
I did answer! LOOK UP!!! ANd go for it, convince her it is the coolest thing going! LOL!
The BF and I are finalizing the Leon thing tonight, so tomorrow we will have made a decision, I will let you know!
 
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I have the same fears!! I don''t want anyone to know about my ring, or the names I picked out for my future children!!
 
I''ll have to go with Lyra and the Captain on this one. There are lots of beautiful rings in the world, and most of them look like one that has already been done. Baby names are a bit more sensitive, but really, that matters very little, too, in the overall scheme of things. I know of people who named their baby the same as our third child, and I was flattered that they liked it that much!

In relation to the bands, I strongly recommend a sizing area. Many people over a lifetime change ring sizes.
 
Calibling, i'm sorry, i can understand you're being disappointed. I guess i'm with the *it wouldn't bother me* camp. maybe it's because i've been on this forum so long and seen so many designs and idea's copied, it's just not a big deal. it's like that guy who was upset b/c WF wanted to offer the ring he designed as a stock ring and he was so upset. you don't want people to notice or copy, don't post on a public forum. I do understand its different when it's someone you know but I'd just take it as flattery, immitation in it's greatest form. i don't care about the baby name thing either. when i named my kids i didn't even know anyone with those names. my one daughter is in a class of 3 with the same name. way to many other things in life to worry about. find comfort in knowing that only you will have the original if you are having something made custom, even is she does try to do something similar. I'm sure folks have tried and will try to replicate my ring, but I know i've got the real deal and that is what brings me pleasure
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ETA; i'd go with the sizing area too. my ring will have one but my wedding band won't. it's a lot cheaper to buy another wedding band if need be that have to remake an entire pave setting that no longer fits.
 
I think the point is that this girl obvi knows that Cali did her research, otherwise she would have never had so many details to share. It just seems a little lame, and boring of her to immediately jump and say that it is hers, and she has to have it too. Kinda uncreative in my opinion. On here it is a different story. 99% of us don't know one another, so here imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. We all also have done enough leg work to understand why things work and what works with what... But this girl is just too lazy to do the research, as most people are about this sort of thing. And, they flow in the same circle, so you wouldn't want to be showing off a unique ring at a table of friends one night and have the girl across from you say, yah I have the same thing... It kinda takes the fun and allure out of it! I hear ya Cali! It's not earth shattering, just kinda annoying! Stick with the trellis plan.. and tell her Leon isn't taking any more orders for 6 months... bummer..lol
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MRS S! Thanks for the input... as far as sizing it isn't an issue bc there will be an insert in the ring which will allow for it to be sized by half a size. I figured the best gauge on whether my fingers will change much was my mom so I asked her... She said that at the end of beingf preggers with me she couldn't wear them, but as soon as I arrived it was all back to normal, and no problems with my brother either! So now do I go for it??
 
crooked, since you''re doing the sizing bar go for the full eternity if you really want it. the Michael b ring i wanted was full eternity and i would have done it if i''d ordered that set.

i do understand cali''s being annoyed, maybe i''m just old and cranky at 8 months preggo but i just don''t think it''s that huge of a deal. I seriously doubt this gal''s intent was to steal all of cali''s hard work and research. when cali showed her the rings and ideas the gal had probably never seen anything like it and was just blown away. i know my real life friends are blown away when i show them leon''s site of out of the ordinary mall type rings.
 
Date: 3/13/2008 4:33:46 PM
Author: mrssalvo
crooked, since you''re doing the sizing bar go for the full eternity if you really want it. the Michael b ring i wanted was full eternity and i would have done it if i''d ordered that set.

i do understand cali''s being annoyed, maybe i''m just old and cranky at 8 months preggo but i just don''t think it''s that huge of a deal. I seriously doubt this gal''s intent was to steal all of cali''s hard work and research. when cali showed her the rings and ideas the gal had probably never seen anything like it and was just blown away. i know my real life friends are blown away when i show them leon''s site of out of the ordinary mall type rings.
Thanks Mrs S or should I say Mrs Cranky
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... That''s what I wanted to hear! I know there will be maintenance, but will it be that bad? Not to mention that I honestly don''t think I will wear this thing everyday, silly I know, but bf''s fam has a 2 ct IF RB sitting in a safe somewhere wanting to be worn, so we might make that as borrowed day ring. I really just love the look, and to come this far and not do it??? I don''t know...

I agree... I don''t think the girl was being spiteful or intentionally trying to steal her idea, she just hasn''t done research so when she saw something so beautiful and out of the ordinary she probably just wanted a piece of the action... But I still get wanting something to be mine. Oh and People know the names I want for my boys (notice I don''t say kids, boys only(yah I know, I will know end up with 5 girls)) but they know not to cross that line!!! LOL
 
I think that is terrific that he has that sizing thing to put in! I did not know about that before! I just wanted to say that I don''t have a sizing area on my Legacy band either, but like MrsS agree that I am willing to take that risk since it is less expensive.

However, I just wanted to say that my ring size did not change after I had babies. It changed when I began having mid-life hormonal changes and gained a few pounds! I did not size my rings for over 25 years! But I did eventually need to do it. My original rings were 4.75 and I wear 5.5 now.
 
I must be in the minority of people who don't really understand someone being upset because another person wears a ring like yours. What if you chose a RB solitare? Soooo many women would have the exact same ring.

I used to be friends with a girl who got engaged with a three stone ring with an RB center and pear sides. When I saw her ring I congratulated her and noted that it happened to be similar to the ring another of my friends just received. I thought it was cool that they shared the same taste in jewelry. She thought it was a cheap shot at her ring. I guess a couple months later, her fiance made the mistake of recognizing her ring style on one of his female friends, and they had a huge fight about it.

I always found that strange. I mean, whenever I see someone with a halo, an EC or an EC halo, by God...I'm ecstatic! Full of questions and wanting to compare notes...I feel akin to that person! I never understood why my (ex) friend so coveted the style of her ring.

BUT...on the other hand...I have had friends exactly copy a piece of clothing and wear it on the same day, and that kinda bothers me. So I suppose if your friend were to copy down the model number of your chosen ering and have her boyfriend buy it for her, then that's kind of obnoxious. But if you helped her to find "the" right look for her and it happens to be similar to yours, then you should feel good that you have the taste and sense to lead her to the right thing, and that you share that taste with her.

dunno, just my spare pennies.
 
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