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msop04|1375631322|3496398 said:
hawk25|1375506736|3495813 said:
If you're uncompromising on color: 0.663 F SI2: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...0.663-f-si2-princess-diamond-ags-104062383002
If you're willing to compromise on color: 0.733 J SI2 http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...0.733-j-si2-princess-diamond-ags-104061575010
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Is this the one? It's very nice. It is smaller, but if it will fit, will look great. Even though my ering is a J color (round), I don't recommend going past I (and would get H or better if I could) for a princess. They tend to show more tint than rounds.
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I made those recommendations without looking at JA. I'm not experienced enough to narrow down princess cut choices without ASETs, so I'd take msop04 and other PSer's advice over mine, especially if it means getting a bigger stone :)
 
Ok so I go off the phone today and they stated the CE diamond was done with heat and pressure not laser. 4th person I have heard say it is a really good stone, but they are sales people too! :)

The dimensions are 4.98 x 4.89 x 3.53 and they will set diamonds from outside the store for around $125 and would want to inspect the stone prior.
 
A CE stone is garbage no matter who in the store told you that. You want to risk a diamond that might fall apart in a cleaner? And you didn't talk down the setting, it was marked up and they were looking for a sucker to pay the marked up price. Get a better stone and upgrade the setting later from a reputable vendor ( store or online).
 
Do you know who makes the setting? I wonder if it's possible to find the same setting online from one of the online vendors who has a diamond you like. I really think you would be wise to listen to what people say about the CE diamonds. If you can get a high quality stone and the setting, isn't that the best of both worlds?
 
I am not familiar of the make of the setting. And I agree about the CE diamond. I was more or less passing on what they said not what I intend to buy. I really like the setting and so does my gf, after my trade it will be around $1200. With my budget I would be looking at around $1800 for the diamond, however I was tempted at going up to $3500 for the previous setting and stone, so I would go up a bit, would rather not though.

I also will not be proposing for a few months, but hate to pass up on the setting she wants. If there is similar I am very interested in that as well. We also don't plan on getting married right away either, so that also allows more time for shopping for a diamond or saving a bit. Package deal would be great, but want to get the most bang for the dollar.

I will do more searching online for a similar ring, just not sure how to search that. Would be great to find a decent and similar setting that is less expensive to have more purchasing power for the diamond.
 
More to add, the other diamonds on the setting are G and H color and are VVS2. So I assume I would want to stay withing that range for the diamond.
 
There's no reason to get a VVS2 center stone instead of VS2 or even an eye clean SI1 just because of your melee diamonds.
 
GoSounders|1375805698|3497618 said:
There's no reason to get a VVS2 center stone instead of VS2 or even an eye clean SI1 just because of your melee diamonds.
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Agreed. A case could be made for wanting to stay within 1-2 color grades of the melee, but the clarity wouldn't matter as long as its eye clean
 
Go H Si1
 
If I go that route are there options that fit within my budget? And if so any suggestions. I can never seem to locate the diamonds users here can find.
 
It generally is not a great idea to buy a setting and then have to find a diamond to fit. I also am not sure it is a great idea since you aren't even planning to propose anytime soon. I hope she knows that!
 
diamondseeker2006|1375828047|3497818 said:
It generally is not a great idea to buy a setting and then have to find a diamond to fit. I also am not sure it is a great idea since you aren't even planning to propose anytime soon. I hope she knows that!
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Normally I would agree with diamondseeker but in this case I think you could either just buy the setting there because you already know she loves it and its a fair price for what it is or buy it with a cheap $30.00 cubic zircon in it and replace it later on with a real diamond. Either way you will do much better than buying a clarity enhanced piece of trash that can possibly go milky and end up looking like frozen spit in around 5 to 8 years time and need replacing anyway....

It will be easier and less hassle to find a similarly sized non clarity enhanced diamond now, get them to set it and then take it to an independent appraiser to make sure they didn't switch stones and the side stones are what they claim them to be. Then she will get the ring of her dreams.
 
jskatt21|1375824171|3497784 said:
If I go that route are there options that fit within my budget? And if so any suggestions. I can never seem to locate the diamonds users here can find.
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This one is $2030, but will be less with a 1.5% wire discount and 1-5% PS discount.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.70-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-180540

This one is cheaper, but a bit rectangular:
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.62-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-240692

I would put them on hold and get ASET images. I couldn't find a 3rd one for you that fit your size/price/color requirements. If you move down to an I color, there's a ton of options.
 
jskatt21|1375718687|3496965 said:
Ok so I go off the phone today and they stated the CE diamond was done with heat and pressure not laser. 4th person I have heard say it is a really good stone, but they are sales people too! :)

The dimensions are 4.98 x 4.89 x 3.53 and they will set diamonds from outside the store for around $125 and would want to inspect the stone prior.
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Glad you posted the dimensions! I agree with all the other PS posters -- please don't get scammed into buying the CE diamond. We would all be so sad... ::) ...and by "all," I mean you and your GF as well. It's just not a good deal when the diamonds is clarity enhanced. Ever. You will be able to find a lovely stone for the setting your GF likes. Don't worry about that. You aren't in a huge hurry like others who post, so there is time -- we will help you! :))
 
Will an I look ok with the setting I have selected and the stones in there already?

And are there risks to buying these separate? The jeweler has only mentioned hy wouldn't warranty the diamond (duh) but I assume JA would?

I should add this, the local place is a reputable place, I have been there before and they have treated us very well. I think they realize my budget and even have said they can't match some of the online prices and they are currently moving to a newer store so things are loose on some ends, tight on others. I honestly have been elsewhere in town and have not felt as comfortable there, which I will say is the icing on the cake for getting the setting there.

In contrast the people on this site are very helpful and seem to know their stuff and have treated me very well, which is why I take each piece of advice as if you are all friends. The tips on diamonds, CE, and settings have made me really take an interest in diamonds and jewelry in general. So thank you all!

Just need to find the right fit :)
 
jskatt21|1375838756|3497942 said:
And are there risks to buying these separate? The jeweler has only mentioned hy wouldn't warranty the diamond (duh) but I assume JA would?
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No vendor warranty would apply against the risk of another jeweler setting the stone. If the jeweler who set the diamond makes a mistake, the vendor the diamond was bought from has no reason to replace it. It's the downsides of buying the stone from one place, and getting it set at another. You would need third party insurance on the loose stone only, so if the local jeweler damages the stone, it's covered.

Companies like Perfect Circle (owned by Jewelers Mutual I believe) insures loose stones. Not all insurance companies will though.
 
hawk25|1375841364|3497961 said:
jskatt21|1375838756|3497942 said:
And are there risks to buying these separate? The jeweler has only mentioned hy wouldn't warranty the diamond (duh) but I assume JA would?
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No vendor warranty would apply against the risk of another jeweler setting the stone. If the jeweler who set the diamond makes a mistake, the vendor the diamond was bought from has no reason to replace it. It's the downsides of buying the stone from one place, and getting it set at another. You would need third party insurance on the loose stone only, so if the local jeweler damages the stone, it's covered.

Companies like Perfect Circle (owned by Jewelers Mutual I believe) insures loose stones. Not all insurance companies will though.
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hawk25 is right... if chipping or other damage occurs while setting, then it's just "too bad." That being sad, if the jeweler setting the stone is reputable and careful, then this shouldn't happen. You just need to be prepared should this happen.

I have Jewelers Mutual (Perfect Circle) for my ering insurance. They are a little more expensive than other companies, but they provide the best/most coverage. Should you decide to go with a rider on your home owner's insurance, make sure you read the fine print to understand EXACTLY what they will and will not cover in terms of your ring. Also, most HO insurance will not cover 100% of the ring... I've heard of 25% to about 75%... but don't quote me on that. Just check it out.
 
msop04|1375630886|3496395 said:
One of these may be your best bet if going JA (put on hold and as for ASETs on them):

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.70-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-211664 $1840
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.70-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-195723 $1840 also
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.72-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-240565 $1750
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I noticed none of these were put on hold... have you decided against JA, jskatt? If you're even considering any of them, I'd put them on hold ASAP.
 
I have not decided against these at all yet. I just talked with someone from JA and they took down my info and we are goin to try to connect tomorrow evening and discuss these over the phone. I feel very comfortable with where hinges are at so far and can't wait to see what they have to say and possibly suggest. She is even going to look to see if they have a similar setting to help with my budget if needed and have more purchasing power on the diamond.
 
jskatt21|1375905456|3498427 said:
I have not decided against these at all yet. I just talked with someone from JA and they took down my info and we are goin to try to connect tomorrow evening and discuss these over the phone. I feel very comfortable with where hinges are at so far and can't wait to see what they have to say and possibly suggest. She is even going to look to see if they have a similar setting to help with my budget if needed and have more purchasing power on the diamond.
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That's good -- but I would definitely have them put on hold now, otherwise someone can get to them before you do. I hope they can find a setting for you. Do they have settings that aren't listed on their site, or are they going to try to make it for you?
 
msop04|1376016770|3499456 said:
jskatt21|1376016079|3499446 said:
So here are the ones on hold:


http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.71-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-237732

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.70-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-195723

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/0.72-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-240565
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I like 0.70 > 0.71 > 0.72 -- the 0.70 seems to look a little whiter (maybe the lighting??)
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Great point which was a reason I wanted this one in the mix, the JA reps stated that the smaller table seems to be making it very sparkly with a lot of fire and brilliance.
 
What did the geologist say about them?
 
Niel said:
What did the geologist say about them?
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Geologist or gemologist?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Here is what was said by the gemologist :)

"As I am sure you expected after reviewing the ASET images, the gemologist found all three diamonds to possess an excellent amount of brilliance (white light return). She personally favored the 0.70 carat-I-VS2 (diamond 195723; $1,840) because it has the best balance of fire (dispersion of color) and sparkle. The 0.71 carat-I-VS1 (diamond 237732; $1,950) and the 0.72 carat-I-VS2 (diamond 240565; $1,750) also have a great amount of fire and sparkle, just not as perfectly balanced as the 0.70 carat. All three diamonds face up a nice white color and are completely "eye clean" also. You truly can't go wrong with any of these three diamonds, but she is confident that you will love the 0.70 carat when you see it for yourself."

And to be honest, I was leanings towards this one due to the the specs that I read myself. And I think I was honestly rating them in this order. I had actually asked a few of the representatives to look at these, all in a group and individually and they all really liked the 195723 as well.
 
Niel said:
meganmomma|1376621757|3504142 said:
Niel said:
What did the geologist say about them?
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Geologist or gemologist?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Autocorrect..... :oops:
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It happens to all of us! :D

jskatt21 said:
Here is what was said by the gemologist :)

"As I am sure you expected after reviewing the ASET images, the gemologist found all three diamonds to possess an excellent amount of brilliance (white light return). She personally favored the 0.70 carat-I-VS2 (diamond 195723; $1,840) because it has the best balance of fire (dispersion of color) and sparkle. The 0.71 carat-I-VS1 (diamond 237732; $1,950) and the 0.72 carat-I-VS2 (diamond 240565; $1,750) also have a great amount of fire and sparkle, just not as perfectly balanced as the 0.70 carat. All three diamonds face up a nice white color and are completely "eye clean" also. You truly can't go wrong with any of these three diamonds, but she is confident that you will love the 0.70 carat when you see it for yourself."

And to be honest, I was leanings towards this one due to the the specs that I read myself. And I think I was honestly rating them in this order. I had actually asked a few of the representatives to look at these, all in a group and individually and they all really liked the 195723 as well.
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Sounds like you found your diamond! :appl:
 
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