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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

A year ago my life went to hell. After I declared myself unable to support the election of Donald Trump because of my faith and conservative convictions, three protesters showed up on my front porch. They did not threaten physical harm. But they did express feelings of betrayal and declared their intention to ruin my career as a conservative talk radio host and writer. I needed to carefully reconsider, or else.

I just could not bring myself to do it. For the next three months, we had armed guards parked outside our house. People called my radio station demanding I be fired. My children came home from school in tears because other kids were wondering when I would be shot or telling them about all their family members who hated me.

A woman in my wife’s Bible study group said that she and her friends wanted to punch me in the face. For a while we stopped going to church. At the grocery store, my children were accosted by a stranger yelling that their father was destroying their lives and the country. And in the middle of this I found it harder and harder to breathe. But it wasn’t the stress of the situation causing it.

In April 2016, with my blood oxygen level below 90 percent, doctors rushed me into a cardiac intensive care unit when they discovered blood clots in my lungs. There were so many that a doctor who saw my scan wondered if my corpse had been taken to the morgue yet.

As I lay in a CT machine getting scanned that day, the Mayo Clinic called my wife to inform her that doctors thought she had lung cancer. Less than six months later they confirmed she has a genetic, incurable form of the disease. Fortunately, she can take an oral chemotherapy pill that keeps her cancer at bay. The cancer cells will eventually mutate so they can’t be suppressed by the medicine, and we can only pray new drugs are developed before each mutation. Our family life is now focused on three-month windows of normalcy between my wife’s CT scans.

Contemplating these things, last November I posted a short essay on my website of things I would want my children to know if their mother and I died before they woke. I would want to confess my sins, some of which have been written about in this newspaper. I was mindful that should they Google me they would find out a lot of terrible stuff, some of it very true and some of it not so much.

A publisher asked me to turn my essay into a book of love letters for my children, “Before You Wake.” Little did my editors know they would also get a collection of recipes as the penultimate chapter.

Writing a book like that forced me to confront my faults, my fears and my aspirations for my children. I want them to do what is right, not what is popular, and I want them to measure their self-worth by being ethical individuals, not by the applause they receive on social media.

As we have moved more of our lives onto the internet, we have stopped living in actual communities. Instead we have created virtual communities where everyone thinks the same. We do not have to worry about the homeless man under the bridge because he is no longer part of our community. He is someone else’s problem. But that simply is not true.

Even as the internet provides us great advances, it also segments us. We have social-media tribes and our self-esteem is based on likes and retweets. We have hundreds of television channels and even more video choices online where Hollywood no longer has to worry about broad appeal. There is a channel for everyone, and everyone in the tribe will get the inside jokes. Social-media interactions have replaced the value of character.

The truth, though, is that our Facebook friends are probably not going to water our flowers while we are on vacation and our Twitter followers will not bring us a meal if we are sick. But the actual human being next door might do both if we meet him.

This is what I want my children to know if I should die before they wake. The kitchen table is the most important tool they have to reshape their community. Preparing a home-cooked meal and inviting people over, both those we know and those we want to know, forces us to find common ground.

Not everything should be political, and we can only make everything political when we decide the other side is evil just because they disagree with us. We can see the world only in this polarized way if we never take the time to know anyone on the other side, if we never find ways to build friendship despite our differences.

Every person has an interesting story to tell. I want my children to know my story. But I also want them to know that the stranger next door has one, too, and that even if they disagree on much, they can still be friends.

We may also never find that common ground with people whose politics or faith conflicts with ours. But we owe it to one another to disagree agreeably, without anger or intimidation, whether on a front porch or a Facebook page. A little more grace among us all would go a long way toward healing the nation.
 
LOL; denounces social media, has 27k followers on Facebook.
 
I understand the sentiment here. I really do. But the fact of the matter is, niceties don't push us forward. For too long there have been horrible, horrible things done and said and it is expected that we are supposed to have a level of decorum about it and "heal" ourselves. It's clearly not happening and won't happen until we can collectively say you know what, no. Bad guys haven't earned niceties. Even here on this forum, in my view you don't get to say horrible things for months at a time and then try to "nice" your way back into everyone's good graces. Just, no. I have children too, children who grew up in Charlottesville, and I don't think "oh well it's a matter of respecting each other's opinion" is even a real factor anymore.
 
Oh Kate thank you! I would never have seen this and do not know this person. I do worry about my millennial children and the digital world.

...Not everything should be political, and we can only make everything political when we decide the other side is evil just because they disagree with us. We can see the world only in this polarized way if we never take the time to know anyone on the other side, if we never find ways to build friendship despite our differences.

Every person has an interesting story to tell. I want my children to know my story. But I also want them to know that the stranger next door has one, too, and that even if they disagree on much, they can still be friends.
 
Maybe there are fundamental differences here we can't get over, but I don't *want* to be friends with anyone who would deny gay people anything from a wedding cake to healthcare. I don't *want* to have people over for dinner who voted into office the things Trump/Pence say and do. Or just decided based on everything leading up to the election that it was ok to just not vote. I don't *want* to act like it's normal when my "friend" nods in agreement when Trump says Puerto Rico is just expecting handouts. Or that there were very fine people on both sides. Or says that white lives matter too. Or that statues are just statues. Or that they have better things to focus on than ensuring trans people and especially soldiers have rights. Or that young people are a bunch of crying snowflakes bla bla bla fiscal responsibility, meanwhile it costs a college $80,000 to give Milo Yiannopoulos security when he comes to spew hate speech. I'm tired and done, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
 
@Elliot86 you aren't alone, I feel the same way. I think that it's great to be open to hearing other people's stories and perspectives, but there are some things that are "deal breakers". You and I seem to have the same ones.
 
@Elliott I could not agree more. I'm sick of being told to consider others' opinions because theirs matter, too--when their opinions are nothing but bigotry and hate. When you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're looking for validation of your very wrong belief system, you won't get it from me in the form of a stupid neighborly pie. I have the right to choose with whom I associate, and while I would help someone get out of their burning house, I won't be discussing politics or religion with them in any friendly discourse type of situation. The counter arguments and the deflection is just ridiculous.
 
@Elliott I could not agree more. I'm sick of being told to consider others' opinions because theirs matter, too--when their opinions are nothing but bigotry and hate. When you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're looking for validation of your very wrong belief system, you won't get it from me in the form of a stupid neighborly pie. I have the right to choose with whom I associate, and while I would help someone get out of their burning house, I won't be discussing politics or religion with them in any friendly discourse type of situation. The counter arguments and the deflection is just ridiculous.

Who are you talking about specifically? Nazis, neo-nazis, KKK, or run of the mill conservatives? I would not invite anyone who is a Nazi, white supremacist, or Antifa to my table. But anyone who is reasonable and respectful is welcome. And they don't have to agree with me politically. If you are talking about extremes and hateful people then we actually agree.
 
@redwood66. DO you think Trump is resonable and respectful?

Much of the time the crap he says does not help the situation and is divisive. I am sure he can be reasonable and respectful in person because others (even those who oppose him) have said so.
 
@Elliott I could not agree more. I'm sick of being told to consider others' opinions because theirs matter, too--when their opinions are nothing but bigotry and hate. When you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're looking for validation of your very wrong belief system, you won't get it from me in the form of a stupid neighborly pie. I have the right to choose with whom I associate, and while I would help someone get out of their burning house, I won't be discussing politics or religion with them in any friendly discourse type of situation. The counter arguments and the deflection is just ridiculous.
I'm tired of "Well I don't agree with everything he says either but..."

No. The time for "but" passed well before this dangerous unstable person was elected. Either you stand against it totally or you do not. Or you can can continue to ignore the racism, sexism, and admissions of groping women and busting into their private dressing room, using slurs and calling them fat. Discuss that over dinner? Thanks, I'm all set.
 
These are truly troubling times. I want the "other side" to understand ME. Can they? not sure. BUT I see sometimes a crack or two. I find each and every one of you posters (ladies, gentleman, humans) to have so much to say that makes me think. I so appreciate this. I suppose I feel close to the end of life as my sister died a year ago 2 days from now and girls/ladies/gents she was waaay skinnier than me, didn't drink and had her kids earlier! I feel the the knock knock on heavens door comin for me! :) I find I love America, I wish we all could give and take from the other side! but none the less, I appreciate you all and the time it took you to reply to what I posted, it's scary sh-- to post a topic.!!! thank you all, and we all have more in common than not! <3
 
@Tekate I'm sorry for your loss. Reading your post made my heart hurt. Please know we will be here to help you thru the next few days. I haven't lost a sibling but came very close to losing one last year. That experience shook me to my core. I can feel your pain in your post and am so sorry you are going thru this. Hugs, Callie
 
These are truly troubling times. I want the "other side" to understand ME. Can they? not sure. BUT I see sometimes a crack or two. I find each and every one of you posters (ladies, gentleman, humans) to have so much to say that makes me think. I so appreciate this. I suppose I feel close to the end of life as my sister died a year ago 2 days from now and girls/ladies/gents she was waaay skinnier than me, didn't drink and had her kids earlier! I feel the the knock knock on heavens door comin for me! :) I find I love America, I wish we all could give and take from the other side! but none the less, I appreciate you all and the time it took you to reply to what I posted, it's scary sh-- to post a topic.!!! thank you all, and we all have more in common than not! <3

I'm really sorry about your sister. Life is indeed short all things considered. I worry about the world my kids will have left when all is said and done.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

A year ago my life went to hell. After I declared myself unable to support the election of Donald Trump because of my faith and conservative convictions, three protesters showed up on my front porch. They did not threaten physical harm. But they did express feelings of betrayal and declared their intention to ruin my career as a conservative talk radio host and writer. I needed to carefully reconsider, or else.

I just could not bring myself to do it. For the next three months, we had armed guards parked outside our house. People called my radio station demanding I be fired. My children came home from school in tears because other kids were wondering when I would be shot or telling them about all their family members who hated me.

A woman in my wife’s Bible study group said that she and her friends wanted to punch me in the face. For a while we stopped going to church. At the grocery store, my children were accosted by a stranger yelling that their father was destroying their lives and the country. And in the middle of this I found it harder and harder to breathe. But it wasn’t the stress of the situation causing it.

In April 2016, with my blood oxygen level below 90 percent, doctors rushed me into a cardiac intensive care unit when they discovered blood clots in my lungs. There were so many that a doctor who saw my scan wondered if my corpse had been taken to the morgue yet.

As I lay in a CT machine getting scanned that day, the Mayo Clinic called my wife to inform her that doctors thought she had lung cancer. Less than six months later they confirmed she has a genetic, incurable form of the disease. Fortunately, she can take an oral chemotherapy pill that keeps her cancer at bay. The cancer cells will eventually mutate so they can’t be suppressed by the medicine, and we can only pray new drugs are developed before each mutation. Our family life is now focused on three-month windows of normalcy between my wife’s CT scans.

Contemplating these things, last November I posted a short essay on my website of things I would want my children to know if their mother and I died before they woke. I would want to confess my sins, some of which have been written about in this newspaper. I was mindful that should they Google me they would find out a lot of terrible stuff, some of it very true and some of it not so much.

A publisher asked me to turn my essay into a book of love letters for my children, “Before You Wake.” Little did my editors know they would also get a collection of recipes as the penultimate chapter.

Writing a book like that forced me to confront my faults, my fears and my aspirations for my children. I want them to do what is right, not what is popular, and I want them to measure their self-worth by being ethical individuals, not by the applause they receive on social media.

As we have moved more of our lives onto the internet, we have stopped living in actual communities. Instead we have created virtual communities where everyone thinks the same. We do not have to worry about the homeless man under the bridge because he is no longer part of our community. He is someone else’s problem. But that simply is not true.

Even as the internet provides us great advances, it also segments us. We have social-media tribes and our self-esteem is based on likes and retweets. We have hundreds of television channels and even more video choices online where Hollywood no longer has to worry about broad appeal. There is a channel for everyone, and everyone in the tribe will get the inside jokes. Social-media interactions have replaced the value of character.

The truth, though, is that our Facebook friends are probably not going to water our flowers while we are on vacation and our Twitter followers will not bring us a meal if we are sick. But the actual human being next door might do both if we meet him.

This is what I want my children to know if I should die before they wake. The kitchen table is the most important tool they have to reshape their community. Preparing a home-cooked meal and inviting people over, both those we know and those we want to know, forces us to find common ground.

Not everything should be political, and we can only make everything political when we decide the other side is evil just because they disagree with us. We can see the world only in this polarized way if we never take the time to know anyone on the other side, if we never find ways to build friendship despite our differences.

Every person has an interesting story to tell. I want my children to know my story. But I also want them to know that the stranger next door has one, too, and that even if they disagree on much, they can still be friends.

We may also never find that common ground with people whose politics or faith conflicts with ours. But we owe it to one another to disagree agreeably, without anger or intimidation, whether on a front porch or a Facebook page. A little more grace among us all would go a long way toward healing the nation.

Tekate, I'm confused.
You post a link to a NTY article that I can't read since I'm not a subscriber.
Then you post all that.
Have you posted the contents of the NYT article, or all that text your own personal post?
If it's the contents of the NTY article is there anything of your post that's from you?
 
Even here on this forum, in my view you don't get to say horrible things for months at a time and then try to "nice" your way back into everyone's good graces. Just, no.
I'm just myself, very similar on the outside to how I am on the inside.

I don't bother with being in anyone's "good graces".
Screw all that. :nono:
 
These are truly troubling times. I want the "other side" to understand ME. Can they? not sure. BUT I see sometimes a crack or two. I find each and every one of you posters (ladies, gentleman, humans) to have so much to say that makes me think. I so appreciate this. I suppose I feel close to the end of life as my sister died a year ago 2 days from now and girls/ladies/gents she was waaay skinnier than me, didn't drink and had her kids earlier! I feel the the knock knock on heavens door comin for me! :) I find I love America, I wish we all could give and take from the other side! but none the less, I appreciate you all and the time it took you to reply to what I posted, it's scary sh-- to post a topic.!!! thank you all, and we all have more in common than not! <3

Kate you are in my thoughts as you go through the next few hard days. I do understand you and thank you for your understanding and grace as well. I definitely think life is too short to be small, bitter, and closed-minded. Thank you again for posting the article!
 
I posted the link for those who can read the NYTimes. I posted the whole opinion piece for those who can't read the Times. I put it up to have a discussion - if at all - there is nothing from me in the post. Of course I shouldn't have copied the whole article as it's probably copyrighted. Sorry you couldn't figure it out.


Tekate, I'm confused.
You post a link to a NTY article that I can't read since I'm not a subscriber.
Then you post all that.
Have you posted the contents of the NYT article, or all that text your own personal post?
If it's the contents of the NTY article is there anything of your post that's from you?
 
I'm just myself, very similar on the outside to how I am on the inside.

I don't bother with being in anyone's "good graces".
Screw all that. :nono:

Thank you for sharing that about yourself. I find it particularly irksome because there was a collective attitude when Trump was elected that was very "LOL this is really going to piss off all the millennial crybabies" and now that he's proven himself to be an unstable 8th grader with a Twitter account, those exact same people are giving lectures about friendship and unity? Bye.
 
Thank you so much Elliot. So I wake up to read about another mass killing :( after my son told me yesterday he went to an outdoor concert in Austin the night before... where is safe :( nowhere.

My kids are my everything. Even tho I hear the train whistle coming for me (pretty good huh? :clap: ) I want a better world for my sons and all of us. Peace.

I'm really sorry about your sister. Life is indeed short all things considered. I worry about the world my kids will have left when all is said and done.
 
Callie thank you so much. What a wonderful thing to have Pricescope and meet people who are just wonderful. My sister was brilliant, her kids are brilliant, her granddaughter is precious. My sister was too young to die. Thank you Callie, I can feel your true caring in your writing. Means ever so much to me. Peace and love to you.

@Tekate I'm sorry for your loss. Reading your post made my heart hurt. Please know we will be here to help you thru the next few days. I haven't lost a sibling but came very close to losing one last year. That experience shook me to my core. I can feel your pain in your post and am so sorry you are going thru this. Hugs, Callie
 
Thank you Red.. your kind thoughts make me feel happy. We as Americans have more in common than not. The pain of loss. The love of kids, fur kids, our parents etc. We need to remember those things too. Our (all of us here) discussions have helped me through this time of Trump. I was glad to see Annette back and you back, while politically I'm left, I am an American just like you. all love to you and yours.

Kate

Kate you are in my thoughts as you go through the next few hard days. I do understand you and thank you for your understanding and grace as well. I definitely think life is too short to be small, bitter, and closed-minded. Thank you again for posting the article!
 
I understand your feeling Elliot.. you know when Nixon was president I felt vindicated when the ahole stepped down. You may be able to have that feeling of vindication, because you are more than right, Trump is a unstable 8th grader. Nixon was insane (probably Trump is a sociopath). I do want to find common ground tho, I want those who voted for Trump to Never vote for him again. Thank you Elliot because I have learned from you this past year also. My son was born in 87! and millienials did get a bad rap, millenials are thinkers, millenials are a larger group than us old boomers, you are going to be an even bigger force in 2020. I expect good things because you are the best educated voters ever in America. I love my millenials :) I hope I did not offend you I have to say my sisters dying suddenly, without warning, gave me a shake up as time is short, my last words to my sister was about how my abscessed tooth was killing me, and she said "You have a right to be upset as you have had so much trouble with your teeth" "I love you". (it was a text).. I always wanted my sister to be closer to me but she couldn't do it. No more chances. Anyway. Thank you again and I love you speak your mind. We as Americans should. much love coming your way girl. Kate

Thank you for sharing that about yourself. I find it particularly irksome because there was a collective attitude when Trump was elected that was very "LOL this is really going to piss off all the millennial crybabies" and now that he's proven himself to be an unstable 8th grader with a Twitter account, those exact same people are giving lectures about friendship and unity? Bye.
 
Hi,

There are some on this board that I would love to share a dinner with. Tekate, I have always found you balanced, thoughtful and reasonable. I do enjoy reading your posts. You express your views without being absolute about them. And yes, I also like Red. I am not so rigid or full of myself to think I "know: what is right all the time. I find both of these people to have the temperament necessary for decent conversation. I often find the hate and bigotry on this board comes from the left, those that deem themselves morally superior, and cannot control their anger and bitterness at others. I would not want to have those people at my table. It goes both ways.

Kenny would be a welcome addition because he points out our many foibles. Sometimes we can't see them ourselves. Thankfully he's usually not angry and bitter.

And for those people in between , I will read you as many of you point out things I missed or say them in a new way.

But, I too, am tired of reading all the hate and bitterness that continues to be vented by the same people over and over again.

Annette
 
Thank you @smitcompton. I would love to sit down at your table as well as @Tekate.

I did not know where to put this but thought it fit with the conservative view and subject of the article's author as far as getting along with respect. This is a liberal I can learn from for sure. I will have to check out more of his videos.

 
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Maybe there are fundamental differences here we can't get over, but I don't *want* to be friends with anyone who would deny gay people anything from a wedding cake to healthcare. I don't *want* to have people over for dinner who voted into office the things Trump/Pence say and do.

Elliot-

You remind me of my father, and there is no greater compliment in the world for me to bestow on anyone. I loved him more than I could ever love anyone else. He was a kind man and a truly principled man. He felt very much the way you do although if anyone on earth was ever in trouble, he would have helped him. He just did not want to have people as friends who held what he viewed as unkind and barbaric social viewpoints. If they had needed help, he would have been there, but he never would have associated with them socially for pleasure!

I am different, but my father was and is my hero.

Hugs,
Deb :wavey:
 
Deb, what a compliment! Your dad clearly did a good job. Hugs back to you 8)
 
@AGBF as I read your post to Elliot I wished your father could read what you wrote about him and hope he knew how much you loved him. It was a beautiful post.
 
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