Finally got my CUSHION!!!! enjoy!

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/16/2007 11:18:14 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/16/2007 11:13:31 PM

Author: blingergrrrl

And under candlelight, this type of cut was made specifically to perform under candlelight (being the primary light sorce of the era when they were first cut!).

I don''t know if I would agree to this - this is a modified for one... and most of these new stones are cut a bit more for overhead light than the truly antique stones were.... I don''t know the crown height on this either. The antique OMC stones were cut for this, you''re right, but this stone is a modern cousin of that and I don''t know... some of these modified cushions are *definitely* cut for modern light!

While mine isn''t the same, I totally agree with Cehra on this one...mine def. looks the best in modern lighting conditions. Not to say that it doesn''t look great in candlelight, but it doesn''t seem that''s what it''s optimized for.

 

[MWG]

Beautiful stone...........Congratulations!!!!!

MWG

 

[blingergrrrl]

Date: 5/16/2007 11:18:14 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 5/16/2007 11:13:31 PM
Author: blingergrrrl
And under candlelight, this type of cut was made specifically to perform under candlelight (being the primary light sorce of the era when they were first cut!).

I don't know if I would agree to this - this is a modified for one... and most of these new stones are cut a bit more for overhead light than the truly antique stones were.... I don't know the crown height on this either. The antique OMC stones were cut for this, you're right, but this stone is a modern cousin of that and I don't know... some of these modified cushions are *definitely* cut for modern light!

I'm actually really curious to how this particular modified plot performes / looks in all lights! Cerhrabehra, I know you have done TONS of research on these, have you seen this particular modified IRL? The only difference on the plot seems to be the extra band of facets just below the girdle? Just curious as it's the only modified I've seen that still has the "bow-tie" and the chunky facets (which I love!)...and thanks for your awesome answer in my thread!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/16/2007 11:23:47 PM
Author: neatfreak

While mine isn''t the same, I totally agree with Cehra on this one...mine def. looks the best in modern lighting conditions. Not to say that it doesn''t look great in candlelight, but it doesn''t seem that''s what it''s optimized for.

I would love to hear someone who knows (I don''t know if anyone is really an expert on this other than knowing some various trivia but not really being able to extrapolate the info to know what qualities the stone should have to be ''cut for candlelight''. My stone did amazing things to the light of a single flame, serious flares! But I don''t think my stone is classic proportions either... the crown is somewhat classic (though a 53% crown is on the larger side to many of the old stones) but my pavillion angle is rather shallow and if my memory serves me (which it may not) the crown AND pavillion angles were steep in the gen-u-ine antiques.

 

[ma1lyc]

Date: 5/16/2007 11:13:31 PM
Author: blingergrrrl
And under candlelight, this type of cut was made specifically to perform under candlelight (being the primary light sorce of the era when they were first cut!).

Thank you so much for posting this stone, I had stumbled upon a stone with the same facet plot as this one and I was wondering what it looked like in real life. If possible, can you post a pic looking directly down that really shows the cutlet at the bottom of the diamond?

I wish you the best of luck finding the perfect diamond, if this is not the one!

Here you go, hope this helps

I wasn''t able to pick up the culet, so i took picks of it upside down instead. The culet is very small I can barely see it, even under the scope its hard to see unless u turn it slightly. When i view it from the top down it just looks like a straight line because of the way the culet is cut, I can''t see a gap though without looking through a scope.

 

[ma1lyc]

OOoohh i dropped it a few times on my wood floor from playing with it

how hard is it to scratch or chip it?

 

[ma1lyc]

I promise last one

I thought this was an interesting picture, notice how dirty its getting

Thanks guy for the comment

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:03:30 AM
Author: ma1lyc
OOoohh i dropped it a few times on my wood floor from playing with it

how hard is it to scratch or chip it?

Scratch it: Hard to do.

Chip it: Not nearly as hard to do if it hits the wrong way.

If it''s not already, insure that baby if you decide to keep it!


There is a TON of light leakage in that stone. The entire center is leaking...but I don''t know how normal or not that is for a cushion actually. Maybe Cehra and Jeff will chime in...

 

[Cehrabehra]

that is a very interesting pavillion!! Do you know the crown height on this?

 

[ma1lyc]

I wasn't using an ideal scope to look through, just some scope that had some pink. The scope is used see the patterns in an hearts an arrow diamond. Unless it is used to see light leakage as well i don't know

It was the only scope i have so i used it lol

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:12:11 AM
Author: ma1lyc
I wasn't using an ideal scope to look through, just some scope that had some pink. The scope is used see the patterns in an hearts an arrow diamond. Unless it is used to see light leakage as well i don't know

It was the only scope i have so i used it lol

Ahhh my mistake. But it still produces the same effect, no? Anyone?

 

[blingergrrrl]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:05:54 AM
Author: ma1lyc
I promise last one

I thought this was an interesting picture, notice how dirty its getting

Thanks guy for the comment

Thanks you so much for the upside-down pics, and the last pic (right side up?) is so clear!

 

[Cehrabehra]

I just reread the first post in this thread, and I was wondering, what are you looking for? a cushion shape with lots of little sparkles? big chunky facets? modern cut with no bowtie? I understand you don''t want to go through mark but I can help you look for the right sort of facet plot (as can others) to narrow down the search a lot if you know what you want.... do you want a modified more unusual cut? Do you want a modern cushion like bargaincrazy? An old style like silverlily? I can tell you that my stone sparkles way more than the pictures can capture, and if this one isn''t.... it needs to look nice even in the worst of conditions.

 

[ma1lyc]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:09:42 AM
Author: Cehrabehra
that is a very interesting pavillion!! Do you know the crown height on this?

here ya go

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:06:26 AM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 5/17/2007 1:03:30 AM
Author: ma1lyc
OOoohh i dropped it a few times on my wood floor from playing with it

how hard is it to scratch or chip it?

Scratch it: Hard to do.

Chip it: Not nearly as hard to do if it hits the wrong way.

If it''s not already, insure that baby if you decide to keep it!


There is a TON of light leakage in that stone. The entire center is leaking...but I don''t know how normal or not that is for a cushion actually. Maybe Cehra and Jeff will chime in...

you really can''t judge a stone''s face up light return while looking at it through the pavillion...

 

[Cehrabehra]

cushion modified brilliant
7.60 x 6.51 x 4.34mm
1.68ct
E, vs2
polish and symmetry: very good
Flor: sb
culet: small
table / depth: 61%, 66.7%
girdle: thin - slightly thick faceted

Okay.... love the E VS2 strong blue (must check this in sunlight - diffused outdoor sunlight if you ask garry)
love the VGVG finish
table is 61 which could be fine for the more modern cuts, if you're not looking for the big crown thing in old style cuts.
If I'm reading the part above correctly it has a 13.1% crown, a 49.4% pavillion and a 4% girdle? Is a 4% girdle big? I don't know... it says thin to sl thick? a lot of times when a cushion is cut deeper it is to give it a big crown - this stone seems to have a big pavillion -

Honestly? I think I'd pass - there are so many issues I can see just in the paper and when I combine that with your comments.... I would highly recommend you ask them to keep this stone here and call in at LEAST 2 more. But before you do that I would truly determine what qualities you want in the cut and narrow down the facet plot style so they can call in only the type of stones you want. All of this can easily be dismissed if your eyes tell you that you love it though, so that should be your #1 consideration.

 

[ma1lyc]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:17:45 AM
Author: Cehrabehra
I just reread the first post in this thread, and I was wondering, what are you looking for? a cushion shape with lots of little sparkles? big chunky facets? modern cut with no bowtie? I understand you don''t want to go through mark but I can help you look for the right sort of facet plot (as can others) to narrow down the search a lot if you know what you want.... do you want a modified more unusual cut? Do you want a modern cushion like bargaincrazy? An old style like silverlily? I can tell you that my stone sparkles way more than the pictures can capture, and if this one isn''t.... it needs to look nice even in the worst of conditions.

I was looking for a cushion that wasn''t too chunky, but not to splintary like a radiant. Perhaps when it hits the light it had a rainbow sparkle? so i guess a more modified briilant?
It is sparkly indoors, i guess i was disappointed because i wanted to see some major fire shooting out of it like a round brillant, but then again i''m not in the best of lighting conditions since the rain hasn''t let up yet

 

[ma1lyc]

Yeah, I picked it out because i thought the numbers were good, although i don''t know really know much about the other stuff like crown and pav stuff. Its true.. cushions are so tricky! I was very close to giving up and going with an oval instead lol

In all honesty though the more I play with it and take pics of it ~ aside from wishing it had more fire coming out of it from only seeing it indoors, its kinda growing on me. Once the weather clears, and i take it outside, if i''m not impress i''m going to trade it in. Now im just worried of chipping it because i keep dropping it

 

[blingergrrrl]

Date: 5/17/2007 12:39:43 AM
Author: Cehrabehra

I would love to hear someone who knows (I don't know if anyone is really an expert on this other than knowing some various trivia but not really being able to extrapolate the info to know) what qualities the stone should have to be 'cut for candlelight'. My stone did amazing things to the light of a single flame, serious flares! But I don't think my stone is classic proportions either... the crown is somewhat classic (though a 53% crown is on the larger side to many of the old stones) but my pavillion angle is rather shallow and if my memory serves me (which it may not) the crown AND pavillion angles were steep in the gen-u-ine antiques.

((Just wanted to add a side note to this: Cehrabehra, (forgive me if this sounds stupid) in my other thread you said "...[for IRBs]...the goal is light from the top in, light going out through the top. With these old cut stones that wasn't really the goal...". Do you think being cut for candlelight means that the diamond would need to be steep/deep with chunky facets to give the largest "windows" all over the stone so it takes in light from all angles (as candles would be put all over the room at different heights, some even lower than the diamond), whereas electrical light is most often directly overhead?...I would also like to hear the real answer from someone who knows, and I would love to see what your diamond does surrounded by candles!

))

 

[blingergrrrl]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:41:35 AM
Author: ma1lyc
Yeah, I picked it out because i thought the numbers were good, although i don''t know really know much about the other stuff like crown and pav stuff. Its true.. cushions are so tricky! I was very close to giving up and going with an oval instead lol

In all honesty though the more I play with it and take pics of it ~ aside from wishing it had more fire coming out of it from only seeing it indoors, its kinda growing on me. Once the weather clears, and i take it outside, if i''m not impress i''m going to trade it in. Now im just worried of chipping it because i keep dropping it

ACK! Be CAREFUL!!!

 

[Cehrabehra]

waaaaa I hate when the internet spirits steal posts during upload!!!!! LOL

okay okay.... ::breathe and start again::

based on what you said I would go for a "cushion brilliant" aka a modern cushion. This is what the plot looks like:

and it will look like this:

and just to confuse you (or try not to) there is another type that is also a "cushion brilliant" and it looks like this:

this type above is an old cut style and has more of the bowtie thing going that you don''t like.... the one at the top I posted has junctons rather than facets on the sides so it has no bowtie and looks great square and elongated. Mark T told me that the one at the top (the modern cushion) is cut almost exactly like the round brilliant.... I really think it will give you what you want most, but again I will say trust your eyes. If you agree with what I''ve said, print out the plost I''ve posted here and take them to the jeweler and say "bring in 3 like this so I can pick the best one and be done with it LOL But also consider if crown height and table size are important to you..... good luck!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/17/2007 1:44:32 AM
Author: blingergrrrl

Date: 5/17/2007 12:39:43 AM
Author: Cehrabehra

I would love to hear someone who knows (I don''t know if anyone is really an expert on this other than knowing some various trivia but not really being able to extrapolate the info to know) what qualities the stone should have to be ''cut for candlelight''. My stone did amazing things to the light of a single flame, serious flares! But I don''t think my stone is classic proportions either... the crown is somewhat classic (though a 53% crown is on the larger side to many of the old stones) but my pavillion angle is rather shallow and if my memory serves me (which it may not) the crown AND pavillion angles were steep in the gen-u-ine antiques.

((Just wanted to add a side note to this: Cehrabehra, (forgive me if this sounds stupid) in my other thread you said ''...[for IRBs]...the goal is light from the top in, light going out through the top. With these old cut stones that wasn''t really the goal...''. Do you think being cut for candlelight means that the diamond would need to be steep/deep with chunky facets to give the largest ''windows'' all over the stone so it takes in light from all angles (as candles would be put all over the room at different heights, some even lower than the diamond), whereas electrical light is most often directly overhead?...I would also like to hear the real answer from someone who knows, and I would love to see what your diamond does surrounded by candles!

))

well it isn''t *surrounded* by candles.... the room is pitch black, it is dark night outside and there is ONE candle lit.... major fire.... hard to get clear shots of the stone because it was so dark but the fire was easy to catch LOL

 

[Cehrabehra]

you be *careful* with that stone - you could end up stuck with it AND have it be busted!!!! and it is easy to fall for a stone when it is the only one you see - you must compare!!!

 

[blingergrrrl]

Look at the RAINBOWS!! From one flame?...One night you are going to have to have a romantic night with your ring! Open a bottle of wine, light a bunch of candles, and take LOTS of pics! (tho I am guessing the quality of the photos might worsen as the bottle of wine gets lighter!)

 

[ma1lyc]

Awww thanks so much Cehrabehra

the weird thing is, One of the stones i was interested had this plot

Everyone here has been so helpful

everytime I talk to my friends or my fi about diamonds they roll their eyes and tune me out lol

Its good know that there are diamond fanatics out there to talk with

I will update you soon

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/17/2007 2:05:51 AM
Author: blingergrrrl
Look at the RAINBOWS!! From one flame?...One night you are going to have to have a romantic night with your ring! Open a bottle of wine, light a bunch of candles, and take LOTS of pics! (tho I am guessing the quality of the photos might worsen as the bottle of wine gets lighter!)

I took those pics in less than 5 minutes and almost all of them were in that collage. I really hit the fire jackpot. Alas, my stone has been gone for a couple months or almost 3 and I keep having these nightmare visions that it is really horrible looking and has no sparkle LOL

 

[kcoursolle]

Whenever I have doubts, I usually regret the purchase later on. If it were me, I would return the stone, hang out here for a while and figure out *exactly* what type of stone you want, and then work with Mark to get it. He has very high quality stones and service and return policies as good or better than the stores out there.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 5/17/2007 2:03:04 PM
Author: kcoursolle
Whenever I have doubts, I usually regret the purchase later on. If it were me, I would return the stone, hang out here for a while and figure out *exactly* what type of stone you want, and then work with Mark to get it. He has very high quality stones and service and return policies as good or better than the stores out there.

I cannot make a decision *without* doubts. If I have none, I create them LOL It is important to my decision making process TO doubt something and imagine everything possible that could make it a poor choice and then decide. Especially something big like this - I remember when I first opened my diamond thinking, in order, wow, its smaller than I thought it would be (don''t laugh lol), it isn''t as yellow as I thought it would be, and where is the culet? Then I noticed that the pav mains were more old style than I was expecting and I was like, well that''s not what I wanted!! But the chunky scint was always awesome, and once I took it outside and saw all of the pinfire it had on top of it I was in love.... but then I said, is this too big? It is kinda yellow. That culet isn''t big enough and its weird and long. Even on the last day of 30 days I was panicing about whether there was something better out there.... and I knew there was, but I also know I cannot afford it Once the last day on the 30 day period passed I was so relieved and have allowed myself to love my stone since LOL Up until then I created every doubt I could find to test myself and in the end the only thing that was *really* a disappointment initially ended up being something I *preferred* in the end - the different sizes of pav main and the shape of the culet. I had a diagem stone in my head, and I still like those don''t get me wrong, but the way my stone is cut reminds me a little bit more of like an emerald cut and just has a bit more of a linear elegance to it rather than one that had rounder curves or a rounder culet. I still love the round culets but I''m 100% convinced this is the stone that should be on my finger and that''s a good thing since its too late anyway LOL

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/17/2007 2:03:04 PM
Author: kcoursolle
Whenever I have doubts, I usually regret the purchase later on. If it were me, I would return the stone, hang out here for a while and figure out *exactly* what type of stone you want, and then work with Mark to get it. He has very high quality stones and service and return policies as good or better than the stores out there.

I totally agree. My mantra now is that if I don''t LOVE something when I first see it, I don''t buy it. Otherwise I end up regretting it later!

 

[kellyfish]

that is soooo beautiful. you must be delighted!!!!