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mia_olga

mia_olga

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I want to thank this forum for a lot of advice, I learned a lot about diamonds, but it's so hard to choose when you want to have a beautiful diamond, but the budget is limited. Special thanks to bunnycat.

So I select a Zoara website to buy a diamond.
I have a 2000$ of budget (until 2200-2300 for very very very ideal diamond for me), Color I, Clarity VS2 it is ok. I would like a Hearts and Arrows.

So, Diamond 1. (All Zoara consultants has advised this diamond).

Real image
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a_12.jpg
Clarity: VS2
Table: 58%
Depth: 61,5%
Crown angle: 35,5
Link certificate: http://pics.zoara.net/images/products/certificate/7640589__round_excellent_cut_i_vs2_certificate.jpg
This is a diamond on my budget.

Diamond 2 /with an ideal parameters/but hearts and arrow? Budget? Is ше worth the money?
Real image
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Clarity: VVS2
Table: 55%
Depth: 61,5%
Crown angle: 34
Certificate: http://pics.zoara.net/images/products/certificate/7552812__round_excellent_cut_i_vvs2_certificate.jpg
Price: 2326$ (budget :angryfire: )
Is this so so so better for 300$ of Diamond 1?
This diamond can be compared with? This is a virtual select, I don't see any image too.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.730-i-vvs2-round-diamond-gia-78455550

Diamond 3 Catalog ID: D7552812
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9004738/0-72-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs2-clarity
Carat: 0,72
Clarity: VS2
Table: 57%
Depth: 61,8%
Crown angle: 34
Certificate link: http://media.b2cjewels.com/certificate/9004738.pdf
Price: $1,946


Please,
I'm so indecisive, it's so hard to choose a diamond, I can not sleep at night
 
Here's a link for the middle one of the actual stone:

http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vvs2#?p=7552812



also- here's a link to the actual stone of one I suggested yesterday (I accidentally copied the certificate):

http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs1#?p=7629688



My vote remains for your middle choice.

The thing about your first choice (35.5 crown and 40.6 pav) is you want a H/A stone, but even that first choice, I don't think would meet the arrows criteria (the arrow shafts aren't perfectly aligned, but H/A symmetry is not something I agonize over, whereas super idea proportions are.) You DO have the added plus on that one that Zoara has seen the stone and told you it is nice, but you should go in to it aware that it probably wouldn't make H/A designation on a strict standard. Are they selling it as H/A? The reason again I advise caution on that one is that it is 35.5 crown and 40.6 pavilion and you have no ASET image to judge light return and no way to get one.
 
It is out of budget (High price, high tax and fee). And it is SI clarity. It must be GIA certificate
 
mia_olga|1489188941|4139062 said:
It is out of budget (High price, high tax and fee). And it is SI clarity. It must be GIA certificate
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Surely there will be tax to pay if you buy from Zoara? I'm not sure there would be any difference. AGS certification is as good as GIA, if not better in that they have tighter cut parameters. The Whiteflash stone is about the best you can get! And it's eye clean.
 
No, I have to pay taxes on any site of course, but with a big amount the tax are bigger, that will completely come out of my budget. But the diamond is beautiful, which you advised!
 
If you are unable to stretch your budget any further, your first selection is the best. But if you can stretch your budget, and the second stone. That's my recommendation.
 
mia_olga|1489182304|4139004 said:
I want to thank this forum for a lot of advice, I learned a lot about diamonds, but it's so hard to choose when you want to have a beautiful diamond, but the budget is limited. Special thanks to bunnycat.

So I select a Zoara website to buy a diamond.
I have a 2000$ of budget (until 2200-2300 for very very very ideal diamond for me), Color I, Clarity VS2 it is ok. I would like a Hearts and Arrows.

Please,
I'm so indecisive, it's so hard to choose a diamond, I can not sleep at night
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Any pic of the hearts?
 
It must be
whiteflash-hearts-and-arrows-diamonds.jpg
 
You can't get a better cut than the whiteflash one - it will have optimal light performance which is what people will see, not the certificate! Looks like a very clean SI1. You can ask them to confirm it is 100% eye clean before buying.
 
The Whiteflash stone is a Super Ideal Branded cut. It has all the images to prove that it is a stellar performer.

AGS000 - means it has IDEAL Symmetry, IDEAL Polish and IDEAL light return (GIA does not test for this).
H&A Images - Hearts and arrow images to prove that it is H&A. You can not say that those other stones are H&A without images
(they may be close but without images you cant really tell).
Aset and Idealscope images - to check for light return
Upclose video - so you can examine the stone and see how well it performs under bright lights

It is eye-clean so even though it is lower clarity you will not be able to see anything in the stone (but you should be able to see
that it is a better performer.)

Whiteflash has lots of educational info on their website if you are interested (and you seem like you're into the H&A thing)...

http://www.whiteflash.com/a-cut-above-diamonds-specifications-and-qualifications/ tells you specifics to be an ACA
http://www.whiteflash.com/about-diamonds/diamond-education/benefits-of-hearts-and-arrows-diamonds-1521.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts-and-arrows-diamonds.aspx
http://www.whiteflash.com/about-diamonds/diamond-education/grading-hearts-and-arrows-diamonds.htm
 
mia_olga|1489435985|4139795 said:
I really need Hearts and Arrow?
This one is beautiful...
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.70-carat-i-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1027016
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What is it about this diamond that you say is beautiful?

It is a 60/60 stone, which will have a nice spread, (good diameter for carat weight). Due to the large table it will favour bright white return compared to fire. Make sure you see this style in person rather than admiring it from the website, as it is not to everyone's appeal.
 
BELLA9280|1489452028|4139924 said:
mia_olga|1489435985|4139795 said:
I really need Hearts and Arrow?
This one is beautiful...
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.70-carat-i-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1027016
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This one looks like it has a tint to it I would go with the whiteflash one it's beautiful
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Agreed, definitely has a brown tint to that one. Not necessarily bad, but usually they are discounted a tiny bit.

I'm a little confused on what you looking for..
If you want the most sparkly, best performing, super ideal stone the whiteflash one is the way to go. Is the fact that it's SI1 holding you back?

If you just want an ideal stone (still beautiful) we can find one that is on the lower end of your budget.

From what I gather, your requirements are I, VS2 0.7+, under $2300, no fluorescence, ideal cut?
 
Dear friends,
I have so many doubts because I have never seen in real store an I diamond's color with the clarity SI. In our Italian jewelers all stones are G color and VVS clarity at least. I went around to ask about Idealscope, ASET images, but no one has heard anything. At this point, not being a princess, I wonder if it is really essential to pay more for me to get Hearts and Arrows? Or a good diamond can go just as well, perhaps by increasing the color and purity?
The price of 2300$ is out of budget for other tax and fee. I have a budget of 2500€ but tax incl.
 
Ok, not H/A diamond, but neat ideal parameters:

Not GIA certificate,
H/VVS2 Excellent Cut (I need to see a certificate, ok) - 2080$
https://www.shireeodiz.com/collections/round-cut-natural-loose-diamonds/products/nat-round-0-7-h-vvs2-ex-aig

H/VVS2 Excellent Cut (I need to see a certificate, ok) - 1990$
https://www.shireeodiz.com/collections/round-cut-natural-loose-diamonds/products/nat-round-0-7-h-vvs2-ex-aig

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This is GIA
H/VS2 - 2036$
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/H-VS2-Affinity-Cut-Round-Diamond/D40041397

I/VS2 - 1986$
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/I-VS1-Excellent-Cut-Round-Diamond/D33661784

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I/VS2 - 0.72 carat - 1906$
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9004738/0-72-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs2-clarity

0.76 carat - I/IF with Idealscope (not so good but) - 2008$
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/8762553/0-76-carat-round-diamond-i-color-if-clarity

I/VVS1 - 0.74 carat - 2080$
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/8992117/0-74-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vvs1-clarity

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I/VS2 virtual selection, -2032$
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.700-i-vs2-round-diamond-gia-78861665

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0.71 / I - VS1 - 2090$
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.71-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1026932

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I/ VS2 / -1995$
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs2#?p=7616131

I / VS2 - 1988$
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs2#?p=7533033

I / VVS2 - 2014$
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vvs2#?p=7640335
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H/VVS2 - 2070$
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=71785954

H/VS1 - 2070$
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=70819989
 
Hi there,
It's good to understand what you are really looking for. You don't need the super ideal hearts and arrows for it to be stunning, I think because there was one in your budget, we thought it would be a good buy.

And about the colour, My mum has an E IF GIA triple excellent stone that is too deep and when I put it next to my J (that is quite well cut but not hearts and arrows) my one appears to have much more life and hers just seems a bit dull despite it's bigger and whiter.

Is there a tiffany store near you? The lowest colour they sell is "I" so you could go have a look.

Some stones with potential.
Ask them for idealscope/more image of the diamond the body colour of the stone
* http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9079415/0-71-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs1-clarity
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6245767333

* http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/8214749/0-70-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs1-clarity

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9004738/0-72-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs2-clarity

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.71-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2154599 (but I can see it's not 100% clean from the side)

This one you posted is good, does the vendor have a photo?
H/VS1 - 2070$
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=70819989

Just so you understand about body colour/overtone of a diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YizGfSIisJE
See both below are "I" colour but top is yellow and bottom is brown.

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_39165.jpg
 
Thank you,
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9004738/0-72-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs2-clarity
like fine.

Ok for color, but if it is a virtual selection, they don't have any real photo and don't kwon is it brownish or colored.


You have listed me the diamonds that you think are best from b2cjewels.com site but would like to understand where I'm wrong in the selection, because you have not taken any of my selected? Trere are not so good? Thanks for the advice.
 
You need to email b2c and ask for photos/idealscope/aset first. I would ask for all 3 at the same time so you can compare. Most of the time they can provide it. Post back when you receive the images so we can see :-)

You can also ask them to confirm the body colour/overtone of the stone.

The ones I selected have scored less than 2 on the HCA calculator and also are priced well. https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

I actually prefer the first 2 from B2C due to safer crown / pavilion angles and VS1 clarity (which is guaranteed eye clean). I included the vs2 as well because it's a good price and if we can get images it could be a contender. Occasionally vs2 might not be eye clean so we need to ask them to confirm that as well.

I hope that helps!
 
I have requested images for 3 diamonds on b2cjewels site. Thank you. But you did not answer because you has proposed three other diamonds, different from my selection 10-11 with links to diamonds? I just want to understand where I'm wrong. I tried to maintain good proportions and values.
 
mia_olga|1489475429|4140008 said:
Dear friends,
I have so many doubts because I have never seen in real store an I diamond's color with the clarity SI. In our Italian jewelers all stones are G color and VVS clarity at least. I went around to ask about Idealscope, ASET images, but no one has heard anything. At this point, not being a princess, I wonder if it is really essential to pay more for me to get Hearts and Arrows? Or a good diamond can go just as well, perhaps by increasing the color and purity?
The price of 2300$ is out of budget for other tax and fee. I have a budget of 2500€ but tax incl.
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Hearts and Arrows does NOT automatically make it a "good" diamond. Hearts and Arrows is just SYMMETRY, not performance.
 
Thank you, bunnycat
Now I understand, I don't want HA diamond because my budget is not so high for this.
I would like a good diamond.
 
The H Vs1 you posted could be a contender

I think I looked through most of your links and some had pavilion angle over 41, some were too deep, one was brown. Also I haven't heard of shireeodiz vendor and I know B2C can provide additional images - not sure if zoara and adiamor can provide that.

I also try to follow these parameters from diamondseeker

table: 54-58

depth: 60-62.3

crown angle: 34-35.0 (up to 35.5 crown angle can sometimes work with a 40.6 pav angle)

pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0 if the crown angle is close to 34)
 
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