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FROM FACTCHECK.ORG

Sliming Palin
September 8, 2008
False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain''s running mate.
Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.
Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin''s first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.



Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesty" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska''s schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn''t have to be part of the curriculum."
A few of these claims were included in a chain e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny. We''ll be looking into other charges in that e-mail for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.

For further details: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
 
Date: 9/8/2008 9:39:41 PM
Author: LAJennifer

FROM FACTCHECK.ORG

Sliming Palin
September 8, 2008
False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain''s running mate.
Summary
We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a ''What if?'' question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin''s first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.




Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a ''courtesty'' when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.


Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska''s schools. She has said that students should be allowed to ''debate both sides'' of the evolution question, but she also said creationism ''doesn''t have to be part of the curriculum.''
A few of these claims were included in a chain e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny. We''ll be looking into other charges in that e-mail for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.

For further details: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
Great minds think alike LAJennifer! I just posted this link on the other thread!
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OMG, I got to see a little bit of the VMA''s just because of all the comments I read about the host. He was so repulsive. I just wonder why they would have chosen this guy? Anyway, he didn''t do either "side" any favors with his bizarre commentary. It was completely unnecessary and I hope he realizes that won''t help his cause. In fact, it probably hurt.
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Regarding the AIP, just because someone isn''t a card carrying member, I will reserve judgment until I get to read or hear a transcript of her speech and her attendance record. At some point, politically, it wouldn''t have served her to maintain an obvious "too close of a tie" to the organization if she was being groomed for a higher level political career in the Federal Government.

Even if she would have been a member of that organization, it would have been the least of my concerns regarding Sarah Palin.
 
Date: 9/8/2008 10:26:03 PM
Author: miraclesrule
OMG, I got to see a little bit of the VMA''s just because of all the comments I read about the host. He was so repulsive. I just wonder why they would have chosen this guy? Anyway, he didn''t do either ''side'' any favors with his bizarre commentary. It was completely unnecessary and I hope he realizes that won''t help his cause. In fact, it probably hurt.
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Regarding the AIP, just because someone isn''t a card carrying member, I will reserve judgment until I get to read or hear a transcript of her speech and her attendance record. At some point, politically, it wouldn''t have served her to maintain an obvious ''too close of a tie'' to the organization if she was being groomed for a higher level political career in the Federal Government.

Even if she would have been a member of that organization, it would have been the least of my concerns regarding Sarah Palin.
What bothers me just as much as the political BS was the audience he was reaching. Miley and he Jonas brothers have VERY young demographics. Their parents probably let them stay up to watch the Jonas Bros perform and these kids were exposed to talk of "releasing" into a device and burying it....if you know what I mean. Just completely disgusting.

About the AIP--
There was probably also a point where politically it would have served her to have very close ties to the organization. When she was trying to make a name for herself in Alaska. But she never had "very close ties".
Here she is addressing the AIP earlier this year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
 
luckystar: Thanks for the link. I was a little bummed that it was a recorded intro speech as Governer, but at least it was something.

Yeah, I agree about the whole VMA thing. Then again, I think that has gone so downhill that I would never even watch it in the first place. I was channel surfing around it because I couldn''t stand to listen to the host, but did get to see Paris Hilton, which was kind of humorous and Britney. I wish Britney would quit "smacking her chewing gum" all the time. I don''t know why I find that so annoying, but I do.
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I wish I could find more video coverage of Palin. It almost makes me think that is another reason they chose her...not a lot of historical stuff to dig up as she wasn''t really on the radar of anyone other than the most staunch political watchers and those who had interests in her administration, such as oil, energy and Republicans. Well, it will make for a very interesting election and debate season. Although I doubt that debates have much effect in voter opinions, unless they are the undecideds who don''t vote along strict party lines. According to polls, that is approximately 13% of voters.

But then again, I always wonder who they are polling? I have been around a very, very, long time and I have never had anyone call me and ask me my opinion.
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Date: 9/8/2008 10:48:26 PM
Author: luckystar112

What bothers me just as much as the political BS was the audience he was reaching. Miley and he Jonas brothers have VERY young demographics. Their parents probably let them stay up to watch the Jonas Bros perform and these kids were exposed to talk of ''releasing'' into a device and burying it....if you know what I mean. Just completely disgusting.
Yeah, he was making fun of Palin''s daughter on one hand & then making fun of abstinence on the other. It was so absurd & didn''t make any sense. Hopefully most kids were asleep or their parents had the remote to turn it ASAP!
 
I''ve actually admired Hillary''s stance, thus far, not to personally challenge or attack Palin and just to concentrate on helping her party in general. I realize Obama does not have this luxury, but I find it pretty classy on Hillary''s part not to get "nasty" and start a "woman-to-woman" battle like many were hoping for.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 11:33:00 AM
Author: luckystar112
That ''flip-flopping'' on the bridge to nowhere Obama keeps using as ammo against Palin?

He voted for it. As did Biden. In fact, why not just cut that Hurricane Katrina relief?



Here is another link so you can see their names in writing--Click on ''democrat'' on the table at the bottom

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/senate/1/votes/262/#


Voting ''No'' meant you wanted to continue funding. Voting ''Yes'' meant you wanted that money to go toward Katrina relief.


McCain didn''t vote.

The issue I see with The Bridge to Nowhere is not that she supported it; it''s that she supported it until it was unpopular, flip flopped, and then lied and said that she didn''t support it. Also, the op-ed in your previous post is from the New York Post...hardly an unbiased news source. I would wager that if the democrats had had their convention after the republican one, the polls would look very different right now.

In any case, I''m looking forward to seeing the debates.
 
LP, that's why I put Just for fun.
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Fun for me, anyway.
 
There is not a candidate (or VP) that has not changed sides or stances on one issue or another...when one candidate does it it''s called "flip-flopping" but when another does it is called being "progressive and bipartisan." "Flip-floppping" has become such a buzzword in recent elections it hardly carries any meaning for me anymore.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 11:55:26 AM
Author: ladypirate

The issue I see with The Bridge to Nowhere is not that she supported it; it's that she supported it until it was unpopular, flip flopped, and then lied and said that she didn't support it. Also, the op-ed in your previous post is from the New York Post...hardly an unbiased news source. I would wager that if the democrats had had their convention after the republican one, the polls would look very different right now.

In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing the debates.
Isn't the job of a public official to do what his/her constituents want? I know this isn't widely seen anymore, but isn't that why we have elections. To pick people that are listening to our wants and needs. I would be more worried if she said she wanted it, got elected, and then when the citizens didn't want it anymore, she kept pushing for it.

I understand when you say she lied about it, and said she never supported it, If it;s true then I don't liek it... but she's hiding herself from the "wrath" of flip-flopping, when all she was doing was giving her people, the Alaskans, what they wanted.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 11:55:26 AM
Author: ladypirate


The issue I see with The Bridge to Nowhere is not that she supported it; it''s that she supported it until it was unpopular, flip flopped, and then lied and said that she didn''t support it.

Okay now that I''ve got a little bit of time. I respect what your issue is regarding the bridge to nowhere. I''m sure a lot of people hold that opinion. But when I posted what I did above, I was really responding to Obama''s new ad that states:

"And Sarah Palin''s no maverick either. She was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. Politicians lying about their records? You don''t call that maverick. You call that more of the same". So it''s sort of misleading, as Obama (and 95% of the democratic party as a whole) apparently flip-flopped as well.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 7:53:08 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
Wow. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html This is going to be a problem for him..especially in this state..which happens to be where he said it.
Ahhhh! He must be scared; he's been slamming her more than McCain lately. It's hilarious that they tried to play it off as an old expression. Funny enough I haven't heard McCain say much about Biden, but then again he doesn't have to...
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Date: 9/9/2008 7:57:09 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Date: 9/9/2008 7:53:08 PM

Author: SarahLovesJS

Wow. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html This is going to be a problem for him..especially in this state..which happens to be where he said it.
Ahhhh! He must be scared; he''s been slamming her more than McCain lately. It''s hilarious that they tried to play it off as an old expression. Funny enough I haven''t heard McCain say much about Biden, but then again he doesn''t have to...
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Yeah because the thing is..even if it''s an old expression..a lot of people are not going to know that or even going to care. But it won''t be his base, it will be people who probably wouldn''t vote for him anyway or maybe a few random moderate women. We''ll see I guess.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 8:00:34 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS

Date: 9/9/2008 7:57:09 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/9/2008 7:53:08 PM

Author: SarahLovesJS

Wow. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html This is going to be a problem for him..especially in this state..which happens to be where he said it.
Ahhhh! He must be scared; he''s been slamming her more than McCain lately. It''s hilarious that they tried to play it off as an old expression. Funny enough I haven''t heard McCain say much about Biden, but then again he doesn''t have to...
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Yeah because the thing is..even if it''s an old expression..a lot of people are not going to know that or even going to care. But it won''t be his base, it will be people who probably wouldn''t vote for him anyway or maybe a few random moderate women. We''ll see I guess.
Yeah, I have no doubt it *is* an old expression, but it''s obvious that he was referring to Palin. Anyone with a brain cell can see that.
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I don''t know if he''ll actually lose any votes over it, but I did see at least one woman comment that he did. I think it''s just more telling that he is very scared...I would be too with the latest poll numbers...
 
Date: 9/9/2008 8:00:34 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS

Date: 9/9/2008 7:57:09 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/9/2008 7:53:08 PM

Author: SarahLovesJS

Wow. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html This is going to be a problem for him..especially in this state..which happens to be where he said it.
Ahhhh! He must be scared; he''s been slamming her more than McCain lately. It''s hilarious that they tried to play it off as an old expression. Funny enough I haven''t heard McCain say much about Biden, but then again he doesn''t have to...
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Yeah because the thing is..even if it''s an old expression..a lot of people are not going to know that or even going to care. But it won''t be his base, it will be people who probably wouldn''t vote for him anyway or maybe a few random moderate women. We''ll see I guess.
THAT is so unbelievable.
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It IS an older expression, but if anyone thinks for ONE SECOND that the line wasn''t put in there as a direct response to Palin''s pitbull joke, they''re CRAZY. The timing must be purely coincidental, huh? What a $%*#!
Actually, I hope he keeps spewing forth these asinine remarks (still can''t get over someone saying the other day that he tries to avoid this type of campaigning).....keep sending those voters OUR WAY, Obama!
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Date: 9/9/2008 8:19:04 PM
Author: luckystar112

THAT is so unbelievable.
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It IS an older expression, but if anyone thinks for ONE SECOND that the line wasn''t put in there as a direct response to Palin''s pitbull joke, they''re CRAZY. The timing must be purely coincidental, huh? What a $%*#!
Actually, I hope he keeps spewing forth these asinine remarks (still can''t get over someone saying the other day that he tries to avoid this type of campaigning).....keep sending those voters OUR WAY, Obama!
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Definitely! I am actually glad Obama is doing it more blatantly now b/c 1) he might lose voters & 2) it shows that he engages in the same sort of political strategy as everyone else. The only person who hasn''t engaged in the back & forth is Hillary (not that she didn''t say some things against Obama when they were running against each other) & she''s not even in the race! lol That might change, but I doubt it...I think she''s very smart in getting the message that bashing Palin specifically would not be received well by voters whom Obama wants/needs to win over.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 8:30:07 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/9/2008 8:19:04 PM
Author: luckystar112

THAT is so unbelievable.
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It IS an older expression, but if anyone thinks for ONE SECOND that the line wasn''t put in there as a direct response to Palin''s pitbull joke, they''re CRAZY. The timing must be purely coincidental, huh? What a $%*#!
Actually, I hope he keeps spewing forth these asinine remarks (still can''t get over someone saying the other day that he tries to avoid this type of campaigning).....keep sending those voters OUR WAY, Obama!
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Definitely! I am actually glad Obama is doing it more blatantly now b/c 1) he might lose voters & 2) it shows that he engages in the same sort of political strategy as everyone else. The only person who hasn''t engaged in the back & forth is Hillary (not that she didn''t say some things against Obama when they were running against each other) & she''s not even in the race! lol That might change, but I doubt it...I think she''s very smart in getting the message that bashing Palin specifically would not be received well by voters whom Obama wants/needs to win over.


Totally...I gained a TON of respect for Hillary when I read that she flat out denied to insult Palin at a rally in Florida, and instead keep the focus on the party differences.

I was reading the comments on that link and saw this:
"You can put a suit on a Chicago, zero experience, zero accomplishments politician, it''s still an empty suit!"
Ain''t that the truth.


 
Well, it is an old expression. I'm familiar with it and I'm not exactly old. If the McCain campaign has a problem with the expression then they need to explain why McCain used the very same one when discussing Hillary Clinton's health care plan:

Hypocrite

"There was one glaring problem with the argument: McCain himself used the exact same phrase to describe Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan just last year. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," McCain said in October of 2007, describing Clinton's universal health care plan when she was running in the Democratic primary. He also, in February 2007, used the phrase to describe conflict over a resolution on the Iraq War. "It gets down to whether you support what is being done in this new strategy or you don't," McCain said at the time. "You can put lipstick on a pig, [but] it's still a pig, in my view."

Seems to me Obama took an expression McCain favored and threw it in his face. I have no idea how it can be interpreted that he was really trying to call Palin a pig. If she had been a man no one would have claimed that.
 
Date: 9/9/2008 10:09:18 PM
Author: MoonWater
Well, it is an old expression. I''m familiar with it and I''m not exactly old. If the McCain campaign has a problem with the expression then they need to explain why McCain used the very same one when discussing Hillary Clinton''s health care plan:

Hypocrite

''There was one glaring problem with the argument: McCain himself used the exact same phrase to describe Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton''s health care plan just last year. ''I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it''s still a pig,'' McCain said in October of 2007, describing Clinton''s universal health care plan when she was running in the Democratic primary. He also, in February 2007, used the phrase to describe conflict over a resolution on the Iraq War. ''It gets down to whether you support what is being done in this new strategy or you don''t,'' McCain said at the time. ''You can put lipstick on a pig, [but] it''s still a pig, in my view.''

Seems to me Obama took an expression McCain favored and threw it in his face. I have no idea how it can be interpreted that he was really trying to call Palin a pig. If she had been a man no one would have claimed that.
Because she specifically used lipstick as an answer to a joke she told at the RNC speech...not a big stretch. If a man had made a joke about lipstick I think it *would* be construed as directed at him as well. I don''t think it''s hypocritical...I think it''s BOTH candidates engaging in the SAME type of politics. No one is "cleaner" than the other IMHO. I know it *is* an old expression but when McCain used it no candidate had used it to describe themselves just a week earlier, thus McCain didn''t have to defend his use of it & the media didn''t run with it. If Clinton had said something about wearing lipstick and McCain (stupidly) used that saying soon after, I''m sure it would''ve been all over the news as well. It''s pretty obvious to me that it was directed at Palin, no matter what Obama''s people want to say.
 
IndyGirl, I didn''t say the comment wasn''t directed at her. I said I don''t know why they think he was attempting to call her a pig, i.e. trying to be sexist. I think he used the expression in the way it was meant, and thus it was appropriately applied (even if you think he should have chosen "better" terms)
 
Date: 9/9/2008 10:09:18 PM
Author: MoonWater
Well, it is an old expression. I''m familiar with it and I''m not exactly old. If the McCain campaign has a problem with the expression then they need to explain why McCain used the very same one when discussing Hillary Clinton''s health care plan:


Hypocrite


''There was one glaring problem with the argument: McCain himself used the exact same phrase to describe Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton''s health care plan just last year. ''I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it''s still a pig,'' McCain said in October of 2007, describing Clinton''s universal health care plan when she was running in the Democratic primary. He also, in February 2007, used the phrase to describe conflict over a resolution on the Iraq War. ''It gets down to whether you support what is being done in this new strategy or you don''t,'' McCain said at the time. ''You can put lipstick on a pig, [but] it''s still a pig, in my view.''


Seems to me Obama took an expression McCain favored and threw it in his face. I have no idea how it can be interpreted that he was really trying to call Palin a pig. If she had been a man no one would have claimed that.

Hillary hadn''t just made a comment about herself that could be perceived as leading to the use of that phrase to turn her comment into a derogatory statement.
And you''re right no one would ask that..because if she were a man well..she wouldn''t have talked about wearing lipstick.
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And to be honest..the pig one bothers me..but the fish statement bothers me even more. That''s very disgusting.
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starting to wreak of desperation in the obama camp...they need to be controversial to get the attention focused on them again. its been 24/7 Palin for 2 weeks now.
 
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