Feedback on a 2.62 E SI2

[BoDuke]

Here are the specs on a RBC GIA diamond we are considering:

Carat: 2.62
Color: E
Clarity: SI2
Cut: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Florescence:None
HCA: 1.8

My only concern is the SI2 clarity. We get to see the diamond later this week so we will know whether it's eye clean or not.

Are there any other red flags or areas of concern?

Thanks for your help PS!!!

 

[Diamond_Hawk]

By and large the PriceScope members will want more information, including all measurements and ASET pics of the stone in order to give you confident feedback.

The GIA XXX and HCA scores are a great start, but the members will want a great deal more information before giving you strong opinions.

 

[Lorelei]

By and large the PriceScope members will want more information, including all measurements and ASET pics of the stone in order to give you confident feedback.

The GIA XXX and HCA scores are a great start, but the members will want a great deal more information before giving you strong opinions.

Hi Bo,

Hawk is spot on, if you could supply the info he mentions above please, plus a link to the grading report or all the info on it, that would be very helpful please. That's a big stone, you would need to check carefully that it is eye clean to your specifications as you mention and that there weren't any issues, depending on the type of inclusion, that could possibly cause a lack of brilliance, but this isn't always the case. If the stone does check out, great!

If you could post the above info please as Hawk suggests, we can go from there.

 

[proto]

I would be surprised if a diamond this size could be eyelcean at SI2, but then again, my version of eyeclean is any distance, any anglem any lighting.

 

[OoohShiny]

I would be surprised if a diamond this size could be eyelcean at SI2, but then again, my version of eyeclean is any distance, any anglem any lighting.

You are as fussy as me!

 

[BoDuke]

thanks for the insight. I agree on the eye clean comments. Everyone has their own version of "eye clean" and some are more sensitive than others. I will post pictures once I have them. Should be today or tomorrow. Here's some more data off the GIA report

Measurements: 8.77 x 8.80 x 5.49 mm
Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Crown Angle: 36%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6%
Girdle: Medium 3.5%
Cutlet: None

The GIA clarity characteristics show 5 twining wisps. I'm working on getting a better pic of the cert. The one I have is small and doesn't zoom well.

 

[Lorelei]

thanks for the insight. I agree on the eye clean comments. Everyone has their own version of "eye clean" and some are more sensitive than others. I will post pictures once I have them. Should be today or tomorrow. Here's some more data off the GIA report

Measurements: 8.77 x 8.80 x 5.49 mm
Table: 56%
Depth: 62.5%
Crown Angle: 36%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6%
Girdle: Medium 3.5%
Cutlet: None

The GIA clarity characteristics show 5 twining wisps. I'm working on getting a better pic of the cert. The one I have is small and doesn't zoom well.

Most definitely, the matter of ' eye cleanliness' is so subjective. For me, I am the anti Proto/Oosh as my eyes are probably * cough* a bit more mature than theirs anyway and without my contacts in, many diamonds are going to be eye clean to me! Was Garry Holloway ever right years ago saying that once you hit a certain age, any inclusions in your diamond will no longer bother you....I have to hand it to you Garry, you were right on the money!

The diamond in question does look promising, it's a hair deeper than I prefer but that needn't be a deal breaker if everything else checks out, post some photos when you have them and if you could post a little more info on the GIA report please, the star and lower girdle facet percentages, that would be useful to know. Back to the eye clean issue, some SI2 in this size might be eye clean or eye clean ' enough,' but there will be many that won't be, but it depends on how forgiving you are with any particular diamond. I would check very carefully in different lighting that the twinning wisps don't pop out and look obvious and also check they aren't interfering with the sparkle and transparency of the diamond, it's a stone by stone call and in a diamond this size and price range, I would definitely suggest making any sale final on a satisfactory report from an independent appraiser to be on the safe side.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope this diamond does check out for you!

 

[luvdajules]

Hi OP, my comments are coming strictly from "let's start from scratch and take it step by step" since you see this stone later this week and need to ask for ASET imaging and link GIA report. And you mentioned in another post, still in the steep learning curve of the diamond world (as am I).

Having said that, from the limited info. we have: 1) Eye clean. As other's have mentioned, at this size an Si2 eye clean stone is rare. As Proto noted, there's different definitions of eye clean to consumers and vendors. Try to figure out what eye clean means to you and what your expectations/tolerances are. Most vendors it's 12-18" away looking straight on (face up) static. So, if you can see an inclusion on the side view or with a tilt, that would not be accounted (which is fair, because diamonds are usually viewed set and most people look at top view). Some people like a small "birthmark" to identify their stone for security reasons.

2) GIA triple X is too broad. Your stone to view may very well be among the top of the category, but we need to verify that the angles are complementary and other measurements fall into place. You probably know this from your reading thus far. Don't discount AGS stones as the AGS 0 have ideal cut and measured light performance. GIA doesn't do light performance grading, that's why GCalcs are sometimes given instead of ASET images, but are not viewed the same in the strictest sense.

3) Color. I read you are looking for DEF colors, "collection colors". They are more rare and costly, than their G/H counterparts. It's good to know where you really need to stick to, as long as you've really seen the different accurately graded colors and know where your cut off is. Better to get a slightly smaller well cut, super white stone.

ETA: I'm so slow to post, 3 new posts came in before I hit submit

 

[luvdajules]

Given the new info you posted, so far everything looks really promising...twinning wisps is a favorable inclusion to have, the cut aspects look great (maybe just a touch deep). Can't wait to see the rest of the info. you get and your review after seeing it.

 

[BoDuke]

Here are the other proportions off the GIA:

Star Length: 50%
Crown Height: 16%
Pav. Depth: 43%
Lower Half: 75%

not sure I did this right, but here's the Clarity pic from the GIA report:

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks for adding the rest of the info Bo. I think the way to proceed is to view the diamond, try to test drive it in different lights if possible to make sure it is in fact eye clean in everyday lighting conditions, inclusions can pop out more in some lights than others. Check very carefully it is eye clean or eye clean enough to your satisfaction. I would advise making the sale - should you decide to buy it- final on this diamond checking out with an independent appraiser, I am keeping my fingers crossed for a good result for you but if it doesn't check out, there will be another!

 

[proto]

I would want to check that the TWs are not interfering with the light performance or giving any detectable colour, especially on a E colour stone. That said, its one of the better inclusions to have on a stone and the feather on the pav side, is awesome as you can prong over it.

If it checks out as eyeclean for your specification, this could be a fantastic bargain.

 

[BoDuke]

Here are some pics. I haven't looked at many ASET images so need your help in understanding light performance.








How's she look? We get to see her tomorrow.

 

[luvdajules]

My guess is she will look very clean and sparkly, blazing even given the E color. Try not to think about the inclusion plot and the Si2 rating, don't let those creep into your mind. Just look only with your eyes and focus on the cut and light play and let your eyes decide to give this one a fair shot. Cannot wait to hear your review after viewing in person. Do take your time and both of you play with the stone in various lighting. There's a recent about how to judge diamonds at home (or in the shop, away from their jewelry store lighting). Take outside and look at under direct sunlight and under a tree (especially) or partially shaded somehow. Good luck and come back!
ETA [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/diamond-evaluation-techniques-at-home.202395/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/diamond-evaluation-techniques-at-home.202395/[/URL]

 

[teobdl]

Wow looks great. The leakage that's shown there isn't clearly due to the proportions, and likely wouldn't be noticeable to the eye anyway. Seems to be very clean.

One question: does the report note any additional clouds or twinning wisps not shown? Particularly does it say "clarify grade based on clouds not shown"?

 

[BoDuke]

Thanks for the insight on evaluating the diamond at home. Very helpful. All the comments on here have been a HUGE help.

And

Comments section says: Additional twinning wisps, clouds and surface graining are not shown.

Anything to be concerned about?

 

[Lorelei]

Thanks for the insight on evaluating the diamond at home. Very helpful. All the comments on here have been a HUGE help.

And

Comments section says: Additional twinning wisps, clouds and surface graining are not shown.

Anything to be concerned about?

No need to worry with the clarity comments, clouds in this clarity grade are only usually a potential issue if the clarity grade is based on them, that the clouds are notated as non grade makers should not be a problem in this case, especially with the vendor in question, you should be absolutely fine.

The images are super, if this diamond is eye clean and the twinning wisps deemed to be a non issue as I mentioned previously concerning any loss of brilliance, I would grab this diamond myself!

 

[KenD]

Thanks for the insight on evaluating the diamond at home. Very helpful. All the comments on here have been a HUGE help.

And

Comments section says: Additional twinning wisps, clouds and surface graining are not shown.

Anything to be concerned about?

No need to worry with the clarity comments, clouds in this clarity grade are only usually a potential issue if the clarity grade is based on them, that the clouds are notated as non grade makers should not be a problem in this case, especially with the vendor in question, you should be absolutely fine.

The images are super, if this diamond is eye clean and the twinning wisps deemed to be a non issue as I mentioned previously concerning any loss of brilliance, I would grab this diamond myself!

Has the vendor been named? I'm not sure.
I'm wondering if the vendor is Eternity by Yoni, based on a search that I did, earlier, for the diamond using the PS diamond search tool. Can anybody confirm this?

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="KenD|1401793129|
Has the vendor been named? I'm not sure.
I'm wondering if the vendor is Eternity by Yoni, based on a search that I did, earlier, for the diamond using the PS diamond search tool. Can anybody confirm this?[/quote]



Why would it matter who the vendor is?

 

[TC1987]

Twinning wisps are often "good" SI2 inclusions to have, but can adversely affect brilliance. Read:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/twinning-wisp-how-exactly-does-it-affect-brilliance.199865/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/twinning-wisp-how-exactly-does-it-affect-brilliance.199865/[/URL]
and the major twinning wisps don't entirely cross the table area, so that might be good, too.

But I'd move that diamond around and look at how the light plays over the arrows. Clouds or crystals or something are shown crossing the arrows. Arrows are sometimes white light, sometimes fire, sometimes dark. Anything that crosses an arrow "has to be examined in person" is my experience. The other thing is, there are few eyeclean SI2, and most are immediately snatched up to be in-house diamonds. If it languished on the virtual list, it's wasn't eyeclean enough.

 

[Lorelei]

[quote="KenD|1401793129|
Has the vendor been named? I'm not sure.
I'm wondering if the vendor is Eternity by Yoni, based on a search that I did, earlier, for the diamond using the PS diamond search tool. Can anybody confirm this?

Why would it matter who the vendor is?[/quote]


My American BF, I made the comment concerning the vendor due to past info the OP mentioned, the vendors they intended to work with and their location. I assume if this isn't an in house diamond, it has been called in for analysis and as the chances are it is one of the vendors the poster mentioned originally elsewhere, they would be in extremely safe hands. Unless that's changed, which of course it could have.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Got ya!...

 

[OoohShiny]

The other thing is, there are few eyeclean SI2, and most are immediately snatched up to be in-house diamonds. If it languished on the virtual list, it's wasn't eyeclean enough.

My gut feeling is that it is for this reason (vendors selecting the best stones for themselves before they get posted to virtual lists) that there are not a lot of AGS000 stones in the directory (well, not in the range I was looking at ), hence I pretty much figured that trawling for a potential bargain was going to be a lot of time and energy and, ultimately, probably not bear fruit, so it made sense that I might as well not waste the energy and instead go straight for a branded cut!

 

[KenD]

[quote="KenD|1401793129|
Has the vendor been named? I'm not sure.
I'm wondering if the vendor is Eternity by Yoni, based on a search that I did, earlier, for the diamond using the PS diamond search tool. Can anybody confirm this?

Why would it matter who the vendor is?

My American BF, I made the comment concerning the vendor due to past info the OP mentioned, the vendors they intended to work with and their location. I assume if this isn't an in house diamond, it has been called in for analysis and as the chances are it is one of the vendors the poster mentioned originally elsewhere, they would be in extremely safe hands. Unless that's changed, which of course it could have.[/quote]


I tried to put myself, in the place of the OP. I searched BGD and Whiteflash, for a diamond meeting his requirements, and came up empty. From the searches that I did, I felt that the diamond that he found had to come from somewhere else. I searched using the PS diamond search tool, and found only one vendor listed that had a 2.62 E Si2 listed. Of course, it could have come from Eternity by Yoni, or another vendor, if the stone was called in. We won't know until Mr. Duke responds. (BTW, the pricing for this diamond at EBY seemed very good to me.)

 

[Lorelei]

[quote="KenD|1401793129|
Has the vendor been named? I'm not sure.
I'm wondering if the vendor is Eternity by Yoni, based on a search that I did, earlier, for the diamond using the PS diamond search tool. Can anybody confirm this?

Why would it matter who the vendor is?

My American BF, I made the comment concerning the vendor due to past info the OP mentioned, the vendors they intended to work with and their location. I assume if this isn't an in house diamond, it has been called in for analysis and as the chances are it is one of the vendors the poster mentioned originally elsewhere, they would be in extremely safe hands. Unless that's changed, which of course it could have.

I tried to put myself, in the place of the OP. I searched BGD and Whiteflash, for a diamond meeting his requirements, and came up empty. From the searches that I did, I felt that the diamond that he found had to come from somewhere else. I searched using the PS diamond search tool, and found only one vendor listed that had a 2.62 E Si2 listed. Of course, it could have come from Eternity by Yoni, or another vendor, if the stone was called in. We won't know until Mr. Duke responds. (BTW, the pricing for this diamond at EBY seemed very good to me.)[/quote]


You could be absolutely right Ken, it's my feeling too this stone was called in for evaluation, I am keeping everything crossed for a positive result here, if the stone checks out and it is eye clean in different lighting conditions as I described earlier in the thread, it could be a great buy! I have seen some happy outcomes with big SI2 over the years that were called in for analysis, hoping we will get one here too!

 

[KenD]

This seems to be the diamond in question:

http://www.eternitybyyoni.com/diamond_detail.php?id=1508154&ref=pricescope

Vendor providing the diamond to BoDuke TBD.

 

[BoDuke]

Hi Everyone. You guys/gals are diamond sleuths! Yes, the diamond we are looking at is the 2.62 KenD found. However, we didn't get it from EBY. Nor did BG or WF call it in for us. Is it okay for me to say where we got it from?? Not sure of the rules/etiquette here.

We got the diamond today and are in the process of looking it over. All good so far and eye clean to us. But we still ask ourselves do we even know what we should be looking for? I will post pictures later tonight.

We also went over to Whiteflash today. Super great folks. We looked at some of their ACA diamonds and they are spectacular. We looked at a D VS2 (out of our price range) that is absolutely gorgeous! But as mentioned in earlier posts, nothing in the 2.4-2.6 F/G SI1/SI2 range. We also looked at some H/I color stones and confirmed my wife is too sensitive to consider an H/I.

The decision comes down to what you can afford and where do you spend your budget. Size? Cut? Clarity? I think the answer is very subjective. We have to figure out if this diamond is THE ONE for us or do we let her go and keep looking.

Pictures to follow later tonight! Thanks again! What a cool experience!!!

 

[BoDuke]

Re: Feedback on a 2.62 E SI2 (Pictures Added)

Here she is:






By no means am I a photographer so not the best pics in the world. What do you think?

 

[JulieN]

Looks good. It is huge!

 

[Lorelei]

You can say who called the stone in or keep it entirely to yourself, as you wish!

It looks absolutely perfect on your hand....*bites fist....* Gorgeous!!!!

How did it check out for eye cleanliness purposes, did the twinning wisps show at all in any lights?