New cut quality search is published here: http://www.pricescope.com/sift.aspx. It supports search for fancies that are ''in-house'' and have some extra info (e.g. photo, Ideal-Scope, or GemAdviser).
(please, just ignore that last PM)
What about pears?Date: 3/14/2005 1:398 PM
Author: Pricescope
Well, there are not too many fancies in the database with extra info.Date: 3/14/2005 1:343 PM
Author: AChiOAlumna
Oooohhhh! I got so excited! Then I plugged in my coveted Emerald Cut and regardless of my parameters, nothing came up!!
Princess: 61
Radiant: 24
Asscher: 20
Marquise: 1
Emerald: 1
So if the ranking controls are disabled when a fancy shape is selected, what is the point of adding fancy shapes to the cut quality search? It stands to reason that the whole purpose of having a feature that enables a person to search for a fancy shape based on "cut quality" should enable the user to actually search by "cut quality" and not be led to believe that they are searching by "cut quality" when in fact they are not...Date: 3/15/2005 731 AM
Author: Pricescope
Cut ranking is not applied to fancy that is why ranking controls are disabled when a fancy shape is selected. We jut iicluded fancies that have extra information on them.
Robin and Todd these two diamonds have the same Crown height, table size and pavilion depth. What is the value of crown and pavilion angle data with fancy shapes?Date: 3/15/2005 1:56:43 PM
Author: niceice
So if the ranking controls are disabled when a fancy shape is selected, what is the point of adding fancy shapes to the cut quality search? It stands to reason that the whole purpose of having a feature that enables a person to search for a fancy shape based on ''cut quality'' should enable the user to actually search by ''cut quality'' and not be led to believe that they are searching by ''cut quality'' when in fact they are not...Date: 3/15/2005 731 AM
Author: Pricescope
Cut ranking is not applied to fancy that is why ranking controls are disabled when a fancy shape is selected. We jut iicluded fancies that have extra information on them.
Thank you Gary for making the point, we knew that you would come through on this one if left to your own devices... It is impossible to accurately predict the cut quality of a fancy shape diamonds based upon the proportions alone... This is a fact that we have long agreed upon and a search of past threads here on PS will attest to that fact. If indeed we agree on this and we both know that we do, it is reasonable to assume that it is IMPOSSIBLE to sort fancy shape diamonds by Cut Quality based upon only the total depth and table measurements... Yet the topic of this thread is titled "Fancies added to cut quality search" and the majority of the diamonds listed in the results lack complete proportions details... It seems clearly absurd to represent fancy shape diamonds as being sorted by cut quality, when it is not possible to sort fancy shape diamonds by cut quality without seeing them. You indicated that the results were based upon Gem Advisor Files, well where are they? The Gem Advisor files that we produce are based upon the Sarin measurements of the diamond and thus that information should be automatically included in the listing results, right? Since the listing lacks the crown and pavilion measurements, we have to assume that there are no Gem Advisor Files for those diamonds which do not exhibit that information, so how can they be sorted by Cut Quality? Now if you are saying that ALL OF THE DIAMONDS listed are being physically evaluated for visual performance and that Gem Advisor Files do in fact exist for every diamond listed in the results, then the assumption that these diamonds are being sorted by cut quality is reasonable, however if that were the case then it is also reasonable to assume that the missing data pertaining to the crown and pavilion measurements would be posted as well so we''re confused. If the Gem Advisor Files do not exist for EVERY diamond listed in the search results then the old computer adage "garbage in, garbage out" applies because the results can ONLY be as reliable as the input and clearly we are failing to see the quality of the input if it is based upon virtual inventory that is incomplete. Now if the cutters who are holding these diamonds provide the virtual models that you are talking about, then you have something that might be considered to be insightful... Not perfect, but definitely a step in the right direction... Physical evaluation will always be the ultimate deciding factor when it comes to determining the cut quality of a diamond, fancy or round... The concept behind this new feature is fantastic, don''t assume that we don''t think that it is not... We merely disagree with the quality of the current output because we are not seeing evidence of the data that would make such claims possible. If the Gem Advisor Files and resulting models can be provided as a point of reference and we know that they can be with diamonds that are actually scanned, then the public will have yet another important tool to assist them with their virtual selection of a diamond and then they will be more likely to be successful when sending that diamond to a Gemologist for verification, etc. it wil be kind of like the HCA for fancy shape diamonds. We''re all for it so don''t mistake our concern for negativity, we''re just trying to make sense of what seems like a puzzle that is missing a few pieces from our perspective.Date: 3/15/2005 10:200 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Robin and Todd these two diamonds have the same Crown height, table size and pavilion depth. What is the value of crown and pavilion angle data with fancy shapes?Date: 3/15/2005 1:56:43 PM
Author: niceice
So if the ranking controls are disabled when a fancy shape is selected, what is the point of adding fancy shapes to the cut quality search? It stands to reason that the whole purpose of having a feature that enables a person to search for a fancy shape based on ''cut quality'' should enable the user to actually search by ''cut quality'' and not be led to believe that they are searching by ''cut quality'' when in fact they are not...Date: 3/15/2005 731 AM
Author: Pricescope
Cut ranking is not applied to fancy that is why ranking controls are disabled when a fancy shape is selected. We jut iicluded fancies that have extra information on them.
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