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F SI1 - Should I purchase?

Philter

Philter

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Hi,

I'm thinking very seriously about committing to this stone and proposing very soon, but before I do I'd love to hear from the experts as to whether this is good value and an excellent stone. I've been searching for months and this jumped out at me as a good value for the color and cut at the price of $18,740 USD. I understand it has strong florescence and an indented natural however it is eye clean and the Holloway rating is 1.4.

GIA report attached. Please let me know your thoughts, I'd be very grateful to hear your advice and feedback.

Thanks.

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Indented natural nothing to worry about.
Cut looks great.
Only need to check if its milky or hazy due to the florescence and whether the SI1 is eye clean , if not its like the perfect stone.
 
IS picture?
 
04 Diamond, I have seen that stone numerous times in my search on James Allen, I'm concerned by the large inclusion on the table. Also the stone I'm asking about is a better color and a Holloway 1.4 as opposed to 2.6 of the JA stone.

I'd love to buy from JA, it's a great site, but I just can't find anything that compares to this diamond. Thanks for your reply.

Unfortunately I can't get any pictures of the diamond I'm after, I might ask again.
 
can you see the diamond is it eye clean does it look hazy in sunlight?
 
Philter|1389245785|3589354 said:
04 Diamond, I have seen that stone numerous times in my search on James Allen, I'm concerned by the large inclusion on the table. Also the stone I'm asking about is a better color and a Holloway 1.4 as opposed to 2.6 of the JA stone.

I'd love to buy from JA, it's a great site, but I just can't find anything that compares to this diamond. Thanks for your reply.

Unfortunately I can't get any pictures of the diamond I'm after, I might ask again.
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That's actually extremely small!!! You have to keep in mind that the stone is blown up quite a bit. If you're seriously interested, you can put it on hold and ask the gemologist (they will give you a very honest opinion). This stone is bigger, less (with the JA discount) and looks crystal clear (no milkiness).
 
I can see in the video it sticks out like a sore thumb sorry and it reflects in the crown about 4 times .

If the Flor is no problem with the F/SI1 then its a great stone if you don't mind the blue in sunlight ,many prefer and if its eye clean.
Its the smartest grade you can get, discounted for the flor, F colour which will be like an E with the flor and if its eye clean the cheapest eye clean stone you can get thats a true eye clean, yes some say SI2 can be eye clean but with a sharp eye most aren't.
 
Philter|1389250798|3589378 said:
Can anyone else give me an opinion (based predominantly on the GIA reports) of the Diamond I posted and the one recommended by 04diamond<3 which you can find here?
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.11-carat-g-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-106521

I know it's hard without pictures of the first diamond. What do the experts think of the inclusion on the table? The difference in florescence may be negligible, but there is a slight color variation.

Thanks.
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I understand you want others' feedback, but the only people able to give you an honest opinion on that stone are the ones that can pull it and look at it in person and that would be the gemologists at JA. You'll get varrying opinions because it bothers some to have an inclusion on the table no matter how small and others won't mind. Just saying you should ask the true experts at JA for the best opinion.

*** and no, it does not stick out like a sore thumb. That's an enormous exaggeration!
 
I don't know why your defending that stone so much when he/she could be patient and look for a stone thats eye clean , it does stick out like a sore thumb in the video its black near the surface in the table and concentrated in a 2ct stone . If it were a 30 -40 ptr maybe it would be eye clean.If you have weak vision in daylight it might be eye clean but If you have seen black inclusions in shadowed lighting they stick out a lot more.
Ask James allen i Bet they're gemologist will tell you the same thing, no harm in asking.
 
And I have no idea where you're coming from and why you are exaggerating so much?! You've been here for 2 months?! All I said was to check with the vendor because he could be passing up a gorgeous stone based on some who just joined this forum's opinion............
 
So what 2months on a forum you don't know how much experience i have with diamonds.
Its not the worst SI2 whether someone prefers one small dark spot in the table for an SI2 or a wispy veils in the crown that don't stand out as much but dull those areas a bit is up to them.
Whats wrong with his F/SI1 stone though, why are people on this forum always pushing people to buy from James allen or Whiteflash ?!
 
I'm always skeptikal with stones where nothing but a report is provided because you have no clue how the stone actually looks. Even to someone that's seen the stone in person that just sees in once and doesn't know what to look for it may come back to bite them somewhere....JA and WF both supply all the information necessary to make an informed decision when buying diamonds online and their prices are pretty competitive.
 
The black inclusion in the SI-2 would bother me too, and an SI-1 has a better chance to be eye-clean. OP, if you could get pics of that first stone it's worth a look. Otherwise, make sure you have an ironclad return policy.
 
Ok, this might settle some of the debate. I got a picture of the F 2.00 SI1, you can see there are some inclusions at 10x. The image is below.

The dealer also offered me another stone after I expressed concerns about the inclusions close to the table and the feather at 10 o'clock. I'll put the details of this stone in the new post below, it's G 2.01 SI1 check it out below.

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Here is the other diamond the delaer has offered down to a G from an F, stronger flourescence but I've been assure it has no effect on the diamond in 'normal' lighting conditions and is not milky. It's also $1200 cheaper than the F stone and there are no inclusions on the table. It rates 2.4 on the Holloway scale compared to 1.4 of the F which is a slight concern, should I worry about this too much? They are both XXX Ideal cut.

7x image and GIA report below, let me know your thoughts.

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What's the crown angle in the G? Can't read it on the cert. From the pics, I like the F better.
 
G Diamond measurements
Crown angle 35.5
Pavillion angle 40.8
Table 56%
Depth 62%

Holloway = 2.6 Very Good
 
about inclusion on table, mine has 2 tiny one right in middle but exactly because of the location it is very hard to notice with all these bling going on. on the other hand, i have seen tiny inclusion in pavillion that got reflected onto multiple facets, making the inclusion easier to spot. So IMHO, it is best to ask the vendor what can be seen from what angle, at what distance, before turning down a potentially eye clean candidate.
 
Philter|1389262411|3589421 said:
G Diamond measurements
Crown angle 35.5
Pavillion angle 40.8
Table 56%
Depth 62%

Holloway = 2.6 Very Good
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A bit steep, I'd pass on that one.
 
Philter|1389259787|3589417 said:
Ok, this might settle some of the debate. I got a picture of the F 2.00 SI1, you can see there are some inclusions at 10x. The image is below.

The dealer also offered me another stone after I expressed concerns about the inclusions close to the table and the feather at 10 o'clock. I'll put the details of this stone in the new post below, it's G 2.01 SI1 check it out below.
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Eye clean for sure, and should not be hazy from inclusions because it is a genuine SI1 (as opposed to hazy stones like this SI2 which has no inclusions at all that are easily seen via a loupe)

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Looks eye clean i agree and a genuine SI1 the lower third of SI1 but its ok because the price is really really good >
 
Gary H (Cut Nut), if money wasn't an issue would you prefer the initial F stone of the G? I think the cut of the F is much better and I think it is more likely to leak less light than the G, a brighter stone with more fire. Do you also believe the inclusions in the F would be eye clean (I've been told they are)?

I've asked for more photos which should come through in a few days. I'm interested to know which diamond you prefer though.
 
treasurehunter|1389318018|3589912 said:
Looks eye clean i agree and a genuine SI1 the lower third of SI1 but its ok because the price is really really good >
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Thanks for the feedback. Are you referring to the initial F diamond or the G? Which would you prefer (forget about the money part)?
 
The G looks pretty good.
 
I was referring to the F/SI1 stone the price is really good and is eye clean , Im not sure how you found such a good price to be honest ….
no doubt i prefer the F stone, if you see the stone in daylight and it doesn't have a negative effect due the UV light in sunlight its a really good deal I don't know how anyone who has a rappaport price list in their hand could say otherwise.
I would be more concerned about the G as it has Very strong florescence.
 
Philter|1389332357|3590091 said:
Gary H (Cut Nut), if money wasn't an issue would you prefer the initial F stone of the G? I think the cut of the F is much better and I think it is more likely to leak less light than the G, a brighter stone with more fire. Do you also believe the inclusions in the F would be eye clean (I've been told they are)?

I've asked for more photos which should come through in a few days. I'm interested to know which diamond you prefer though.
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its been hard to know all the info on cut because i could not read the data.
give me the data and ideal-scope images please
 
04diamond<3|1389257425|3589410 said:
And I have no idea where you're coming from and why you are exaggerating so much?! You've been here for 2 months?! All I said was to check with the vendor because he could be passing up a gorgeous stone based on some who just joined this forum's opinion............
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I don't think he or she is exaggerating. If you grab the pointer and rotate the diamond toward the left, you can see the inclusion on top of the arrow. It does indeed look dark and obvious if it's on top of that arrow when it goes bright / whit. It's a stone for someone who doesn't need eyeclean. Seen at other angles, it might appear to be a dark inclusion floating inside the diamond. I have a not-totally-eyeclean SI2 stone, and the inclusion is a dark crystal far less obvious than that one, but it is still seen. Office lighting is the most unkind type of light for it, because the brilliance it causes makes a dark inclusion over a white-reflecting area really stand out.
 
Gary H thanks for taking the time to check out my diamonds and helping me to make an informed decision, I appreciate it. I've attached some better quality images so that you can see the measurements and give me your opinion. I have run them both through your tool and the F definitely looks like the better cut, and if you believe it's eye clean then it is probably the winner, however I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

I haven't been able to get hold of the Ideal-Scope images, I'm hoping they can send them over.

Thanks again.

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