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Egl for transitional cut ok?

nala

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So. According to egl, this ring is an F vs2. How does it compare in terms or color to my Gia I?
This ring is not for me—it’s for my sister. It is priced at 15k including the setting. 1.97 carat.
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I don’t think it’s ‘fair’ or reasonable to compare it color-wise to your MRB; they’re two very different cuts, and I’m pretty sure the chunkier faceting of the tranny will gobble up & reflect surrounding color much more, making it potentially appear more tinted than it really is. Yea, I get it’s EGL and their grading is loosey-goosey ... still, there’s just too much going on in the comparison picture IMO. The pictures where it’s on it’s own (except the one up close) look higher than an N/O, though likely not an F.

Also, what color is the cell phone that took the pictures?
 

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How old is the report; was it issued by EGL-USA or a plain ol' EGL lab from outside the States?

In any event, are you asking us because it would be a final sale, no return & refund possible? If so, that would be reason enough imo to walk away. But if it's not a final sale, I'm thinking that an appraisal from an independent appraiser will be more persuasive to the vendor, for price negotiating purposes, then the opinions of random Internet strangers ;-)

P.S. Like @the_mother_thing , I'm loathe to weigh in with an opinion as to how GIA would grade it.

Primarily because of my experience with online buying of colored gems, I simply don't expect that what I see on a screen/display is what I will see in real life. Even when the person who posts the gem photos is conscientious about posting pics that are true-to-life for what she/he sees, I have no way of knowing if the color calibrations of my iMac monitor and iPad screen are in synch with what's on their end. And we all don't "see" colors in the same way. (Plus, a colored gem can be very "shifty," look quite different under different lighting conditions.)
 

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It’s really difficult to see the colours in those photos, I’m seeing a lot of blue reflection from both stones. Does your sister love the ring? I think it’s very pretty and the price seems ok.

(I had a look at OWD‘s inventory for comparison, they do have some EGL stones but nothing exactly the same. There’s a 2ct EGL I Si1 for around €12k. Also a 1.9ct GIA F VS2 is $30k. Both OEC’s though)
 

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To see if you are getting a fair price would you consider having GIA grade it?

Generally I think old cuts show color less than modern cuts so the fact that it looks tinted in photos compared to your I might mean it is a very low color grade. However pics do not show the true color so it is hard to evaluate color from a photo. But comparing it to your ring it does look much lower in color if I had to guess.

The only reason you might want a GIA report for this old cut (if you love it) is to see if the price is fair. As I see it that is the main reason here.
 

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I would not be surprised by two color grades difference, surprised by three & startled if more! Guess: H

IMHO this 'transition' of the rbc overshot - these are the true ideal [half joking, of course]
 

nala

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I would not be surprised by two color grades difference, surprised by three & startled if more! Guess: H

IMHO this 'transition' of the rbc overshot - these are the true ideal [half joking, of course]
Tbh, I would expect it to be off by 3 but I’m shocked that many think it’s more than that! I will say the pictures do reflect what I saw in person.
 
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The diamond looks nice. Using an EGL report to determine color is simply a mistake. If you are the kind of person that has a certain "look" in mind and does not really care if the color is right or not, then you may be in good shape. If you care what the color is, then you need a report that commands respect. There is just no point in relying on questionable paperwork. You'll always have doubt and regrets doing it with potentially problematic paperwork. No one can grade the color in a photo. It is difficult to impossible to grade the color in a diamond which is mounted and examined in person. On-line, I doubt anyone would insist they can grade color. Photos generally don't render nuances of color necessary for color grading.
 

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What I see in the pictures is that the stone turns steely in direct light, like the H&A do - that kind of 'dark', not colour.
 

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I would guess H/I but impossible to really do so based on photos. Get a report from a reputable lab and/or take it to a recommended appraiser. Even an appraiser now would be better than nothing. Otherwise really pretty!
 

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My antique pear has an EGL that states F SI-2 also. I would have called it an H in color. It had tint but was not very noticeable. I find with halos, that the halo tends to look a bit whiter than the center stone.
 

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How tinted does the crown look from the side? Faceup it's very hard for me to tell - it could just be faceting and the way it reflects the light (or fails to) that makes it look dark.
 

nala

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How tinted does the crown look from the side? Faceup it's very hard for me to tell - it could just be faceting and the way it reflects the light (or fails to) that makes it look dark.
Here is a side view C2AD25F5-7395-4DBE-85C3-000107C3134A.jpeg
 

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If you want to know the diamonds' color, have them removed from their settings and sent to GIA or AGS.

Better yet, move on and consider only diamonds graded by GIA or AGS.
They are not more expensive, they are just honestly graded and priced.

Diamonds with paper from flakey labs are kinda like lottery tickets.
I like to think of them as ... hope diamonds.;))

But then, people vary and many love gambling.
To each their own.
 
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Why are we comparing two separate rings for two different people. Are you trying to see if one is better than the other or if one is more valuable? They are two different rings- apples and oranges here. The most important thing is will the wearer love it? Will she have issues with it? It’s a beautiful stone, but will she think the same? I personally love the cut and the facets, but will she? Does she like warmer stones...what’s the return policy in case she doesn’t like it? I’m confused by the side to side comparison. Plus I’m no diamond expert AT ALL, but know whatever EGL says, you go lower on the scale.
 

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I personally love the cut and the facets, but will she?
Agreed; it’s looks to be a very clean, beautifully-faceted old cut. I don’t think the setting is doing it any favors though ... oblong halo with such stark contrasting melee ... I think that setting tricks the eye into thinking it is lower in color than it really is ... in the pictures.

Aside from all the other reasons we PSers know why you can’t go by pics, they just have wayyyy too much going on with the settings to really ‘see’ the diamonds themselves. If you take ‘all that’ out of the equation ... there really is not that much difference.

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nala

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Why are we comparing two separate rings for two different people. Are you trying to see if one is better than the other or if one is more valuable? They are two different rings- apples and oranges here. The most important thing is will the wearer love it? Will she have issues with it? It’s a beautiful stone, but will she think the same? I personally love the cut and the facets, but will she? Does she like warmer stones...what’s the return policy in case she doesn’t like it? I’m confused by the side to side comparison. Plus I’m no diamond expert AT ALL, but know whatever EGL says, you go lower on the scale.
I guess you missed the part about the color. Bc egl is not reliable. That’s why.
 

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Agreed; it’s looks to be a very clean, beautifully-faceted old cut. I don’t think the setting is doing it any favors though ... oblong halo with such stark contrasting melee ... I think that setting tricks the eye into thinking it is lower in color than it really is ... in the pictures.

Aside from all the other reasons we PSers know why you can’t go by pics, they just have wayyyy too much going on with the settings to really ‘see’ the diamonds themselves. If you take ‘all that’ out of the equation ... there really is not that much difference.

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I also am not sure how clean OP's diamond is compared to the other - my diamonds honestly look whiter to me with just a liiiiiittle bit of dirt/grease on them and OP's looks like it may be in that condition. I really don't think we can say anything from the pictures given everything that is going on.

I'd see if you can take it to an appraiser or have it unmounted and graded by GIA.
 

diamondsR4eVR

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Agreed; it’s looks to be a very clean, beautifully-faceted old cut. I don’t think the setting is doing it any favors though ... oblong halo with such stark contrasting melee ... I think that setting tricks the eye into thinking it is lower in color than it really is ... in the pictures.

Aside from all the other reasons we PSers know why you can’t go by pics, they just have wayyyy too much going on with the settings to really ‘see’ the diamonds themselves. If you take ‘all that’ out of the equation ... there really is not that much difference.

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Excellent photoshop! I love the stone on the right. Love the facets. Again, you have to appreciate old cuts to fall in love with a stone like this. And I agree, the setting is not doing the stone any favors.
 
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