HI,
I have had several bouts of dizziness due to inner ear problems. I have lost my hearing in one ear.(a bit left.) It too feels blocked. The reason I am answering this is that on the first occasion the Dr. gave me an antibiotic and within days it went away. How do they decide whether to give an anti biotic or all the other meds they gave you. This past time after giving me the hearing tests he say there is nothing he can do, but suggest a hearing aid. The dizziness disappeared, but somehow I don't think it is gone forever. Perhaps its too simplistic of me to ask why not the antibiotic initially. How does he determine its a virus? I had no cold, no temp, no redness.
I was very scared when it happened to me. Does it happen when you lie still? Get up very slowly.
I'm really sorry. I don't blame you for crying. I would too.
Annette
Hi Phoenix, two people from Singapore responded when I asked online if anyone had experienced a ear infection that led to dizziness/vertigo or had TCM or physiotherapy recommendations. One said that his ear infection and then dizziness was probably stress-induced and he was so worried that he went for an MRI.
The second person who experienced a ear infection and then dizziness and vomiting for a week said that his was caused by an imbalance by fluids in the inner ear. He recommended that you -gently- attempt to do the Valsalva maneuver in order to help with the vertigo. He also said ENTs at Mount Alvernia and their medication did nothing for him, he ended up going to NUH/SGH instead.
Sorry for the patchy information, just wanted to relate what they said. Please let me know if I should ask them for more information or if you’d like to contact them directly (I think they’re open to it!)
I hope you get well soon xx Hugs!
Just saw this. Physicians have certain sub tests they use to test you for things like the displaced calcium crystal. This condition is called benign paroxysmal positioning vertigo (BPPV for short). The crystals are used by the gravity and acceleration sensing areas of our ears to detect changes in gravity and acceleration. Once treated, it can recur, or you may have crystals in more than one of the three semicircular, motion sensing canals we have in each ear. There are several hallmark symptoms of BPPV that you should keep an eye out for. Posterior and anterior canal BPPV typically kicks in with the head positioned a certain way or when laying down or rolling over in bed; there is a delay of 3-20 seconds before vertigo (the sensation that either you or the room are spinning) begins, followed by vertigo that can last a few seconds to a minute. Horizontal canal BPPV is also related to head positioning, however, there can be immediate onset of vertigo, and the vertigo may not subside. The test to determine the location of the crystals is called the Hallpike Maneuver.
To more thoroughly evaluate the vestibular system, your MDs may consider a test called Videonystagmography (VNG is the acronym). You would wear goggles that have infrared cameras to display and record your eye movements. They say the eyes are the windows to the soul. Well, they're the windows to the balance system. Each time your ears sense movement and send the signal to the brain, the brain tells the eyes to reposition themselves to keep your viewing plane horizontal. Your brain also manages your postural control system based on ear input to keep you upright. Anyway, abnormal eye movements can clue you in as to what is going on with the ears. First, eye movement while following targets is recorded and evaluated. They need to make sure that if there is something abnormal with the balance system, the eyes will be able to tell them. Next comes positional testing, where the eyes are recorded while your head and body positions are changed. Lastly, the functioning of the horizontal canals are evaluated by stimulating with cool air first, then warm air. The temperature change causes the fluid in the balance canals to move. Basically, this will induce vertigo that lasts about a minute. Again, they will measure your eye movements (velocity and direction) and compare one side to the other to see if there is a difference in velocity, e.g., a difference in functioning between the sides (vestibular weakness or hypofunction). The ears are extremely sensitive to insults like head injuries or vascular insufficiency. You can even have migraines that affect your balance system, or worse, permanently affect the hearing or balance systems, or both.
Another test your physican may consider is called Vestibular Evoked Myogenic Potential (VEMP), which looks at the gravity sensing system. You'll have surface electrodes placed on your skin and listen to loud clicks with your head turned away from the side that is hearing the clicks. The gravity sensor in our inner ear also happens to be sound sensitive. If the sound is loud enough, the ear sends a signal to the large muscle we have on either side of our necks, the sternocleidomastoid muscle, and tells it to uncontract. The size of the recorded signal can tell you if there is an issue with the gravity sensing system.
If your physician is saying you've got too much fluid in your ear, he is hinting at Meniere's disease, also called Endolymphatic Hydrops. Meniere's also has some hallmark symptoms, which are typically cyclical: a feeling of fullness begins deep in the ear, hearing begins to decrease in the low frequencies while tinnitus begins to increase. Once the compartment of the inner ear can't expand anymore to accomodate the fluid increase, a fistula opens up and that endolymph mixes with perilymph, two incompatible fluids, which results in vertigo that will last a few days. Residual effects of feeling lousy can last longer. Each cycle does more damage to the hair cells of the labyrinths and auditory system. Endolymph is used by both the hearing and balance systems. There can be idiopathic Meniere's that affects just one system. There is a test for this as well, it's called Electrocochleography (ECogH). You'll again have surface electrodes on your skin and listen to loud clicks in one ear while sitting very still. If hearing is better than 40 dB at 2000 Hz, it it likely that the fluid pressure levels can be measured. On the audiogram, Meniere's will usually present as low frequency hearing loss.
As an aside, and not wanting to put the chicken before the egg, I'll tell you that it is likely that hitting your head caused the loose crystal. Something else caused your syncope initially.
I am sorry that you are still suffering, phoenix!
Did your ENT say why you shouldn't go to the reeducation / physio?
I was under the impression that the professionals here believe that the training helps ease the symptoms of vertigo - no matter which vestibular condition caused them exactly.
Eager to hear his thoughts, since as usual, perhaps everyone else was being "sloppy" and just doing the same therapy for different conditions.
Healing vibes!
What's TMJ?
Maybe its spelled out in earlier posts but I didn't see it. Sorry.
Regardless, if its something that can be resolved with anti-inflammatories and anti-anxiety pills, that sounds like good news. Right?
Do you sleep with a night guard to protect your jaw and teeth?
@DAF, you must be an otolaryngologist. Your post is incredibly informative. It took me a while to digest it (brain not working too well at the moment, lol).
I'm not an otolaryngologist, I hold a clinical doctorate in Audiology and spent 21 of my 23 years in this field evaluating people for hearing and vestibular disorders. The vestibular system is soooo complex and there is so much misinformation out there. I'm passionate about what I do.
You may be right that the reason for my syncope was different from what I have now, but still wonder if the effects of the viral infection had already started to set in. I'd had the viral infection for over a week. I think possibly I was electrolyte-deficient too, having just worked out super hard that day and the day before, when my body was still weak from the viral infection.
Viruses can caused both hearing and vestibular losses. But, if you were physically weak and worked out too hard that could have caused you to pass out.
I'm convinced when I fell and hit my head, the impact caused a crystal, or part thereof, to be dislodged, thus causing the 200-300 mile p.h. room spinning sensation - it was sooo severe that I couldn't even sit up from the bed. The dizziness I have right now, have been suffering from for the last 3 months, is of a different nature. It is as if both my body is floating and the room is spinning (but nowhere as fast).
The head injury may have caused more than a crystal to dislodge, e.g., damage to another part of the vestibular system. The crystals are used by the gravity and acceleration sensing systems in our ears. The sensation of floating suggests something may be amiss with that system. VEMP is the test to determine the functioning of that system. BTW, there are two different kinds of VEMPs, cervical VEMP is the most commonly done, and it looks at the gravity sensing system (saccule and inferior vestibular nerve). The other, less commonly performed is ocular VEMP, which looks at the functioning of the utricle.
If one of the motion sensing balance canals has been affected, vertigo can occur with quick head movements. The brain analyzes information from the ears and loves status quo, e.g., equal input from each side. When one side doesn't report the same information as the other side, the brain perceives the sensation of spinning. Our brain does adapt to vestibular weakness, it usually takes eight to 12 weeks. Slower movements it can recalculate and correct for, fast movements, are, well, too fast for it to keep up and the result is vertigo.
My ENT says I don't have BPPV as my head is not titled. I've also been checked for nystagmus and appears I don't suffer from it. I am due for an appt with my chiropractor to do the Epley manoeuvre and some vestibular re-eduction but the ENT advised me not to. I'm still thinking about going..
Heads don't tilt when you have BPPV. The displaced crystal(s) move with head movement and settle once the head stops moving. How long does the spinning sensation last and is there a trigger? Epley treats posterior and anterior canal BPPV. There is a different maneuver for horizontal canal BPPV. Wouldn't recommend vestibular re-education until VNG, VEMP and ECoGH have been completed. You really need to find out what this is to effectively treat it.
I've had a hearing test but not the VEMP. My audiogram readings are between 30-40 dB, which I believe is borderline. There were no electrodes, just a headset. My ENT says my readings are "normal" and am a bit confused tbh.
Is your hearing loss flat, rising, sloping or high frequency? Those numbers are not normal, that is a mild loss. Meniere's typically presents with rising sensorineural loss (low frequency, bass, loss).
Actually, since I typed the above, thanks to YOU, I've found a place here that offers VNG, ECogH, and VEMP. I def think it's worth checking this place out. I can't believe this place has been here all along and I didn't even know about it, til now!! At least I'll know for sure whether I have Meniere's once I've done the ECogH .
http://www.novena-ent.com/giddiness-balance-assessments/
My recommendations have been based on your symptoms and what you reported that your physicians have said to you. If your vertigo is cyclical, then ECoGH may be a consideration. It is best done wihtin 48 hours of the onset of an attack. If your vertigo is with head movements, this might not be the right test.
The "cycle" that is associated with Meniere's, how long it is typically? I don't seem to go through cycles. Basically, i feel dizzy and my left ear is blocked almost all time time, ie. daily. When I have "attacks", the symptoms are amplified many folds!
The repetition of the cycle can be anywhere from several weeks to a month or two. Acute vertigo usually lasts a day or two, followed by feeling crappy as your system recovers. Then, it starts over again.
The tests I recommended would give your physician a comprehensive look at your ears.
Thank you soooo soooo much for posting.
@DAF, is the ECogH the definitive test for Meniere's?
(Actually, the hearing test i did seems very similar to this. I made a typo in my post above, I meant ECogh and not VEMP).
@DAF,
Thank you so much again for responding, in detail. You are obviously an expert in this area bc you talk so eloquently on the subject. I've had to look up quite a few things in your posts, lol. In some way, I wish I could remain ignorant on this subject, tbh. Wish I'd never had reason to learn what I have about it (albeit only a fraction of what is obviously very much a vast field).
The BPPV, I misunderstood, lol. No, I don't get vertigo from any head movement or lying on one side or the other. There is no fast spinning sensation (only the one time when I was hospitalised) and no obvious trigger. I've been dizzy almost on a daily basis, from the time I get up to the time I go to bed (the only time I get total relief is when I sleep, at the risk of sounding morbid; and no, I am not going to do anything stupid incidentally). And when I say "dizzy", I mean the room is spinning a little, not fast; and I feel, as mentioned, like I am floating but the latter is not severe, not really very bad. The sensation is more that I feel like I am going to faint. And my dizziness worsens considerably in the presence of loud noises and at one time by a very strong cologne. I am now also super sensitive to light, and noises which are I'm sure are normal to other people; when they never used to bother me before.
The place I went to yesterday claims to offer VEMP and VNG, as well as the hearing test. But the hearing test I did yesterday was exactly the same as what I had before, ie. there were no electrodes, only a headset,so not a true ECogH. These are my hearing test results:
Test done on 17th Nov 2017:
24th Nov 2017:
26th January 2018:
The test readings yesterday are very similar to the above.
You're right. I am confused bc both ENT's have said my readings are normal, but they clearly veer towards "mild".
I am not convinced I have Meniere's bc I don't seem to go through cycles. My symptoms, on the whole, have become progressively worse. Today is the first day in a long time that I don't feel horrible horrible. I wonder if that's a temporary relief, bc I am on anti-inflammatories, anti-anxiety as well as steroids pills. I am,however, hoping and PRAYING that the ENT yesterday is/was right about my having TMD instead of an ear issue(s) per se.
If, God forbid, my symptoms don't continue to improve, I will definitely go back ad ask for the VEMP and VNG tests. The ENT yesterday declined to do those tests, saying I'll need to see how I fare these next few days first. I also have another appt at another hospital, which I will keep for the time being.
Thank you soooo soooo much again, @DAF. I'm very grateful.
ETA: Incidentally, since I've been checked for nystagmus and I don't seem to have it, would that indicate that i definitely do not suffer from BPPV?