Does anyone not like the arrows in a H&A diamond

[Rhino]

DF!!!! Long time no see man! Great to see you around.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 5/10/2008 4:23:51 PM
Author: Rhino
DF!!!! Long time no see man! Great to see you around.

 

[meffaman]

"Jon
i love your ideal cuts by Tolkowsky
small tables, tall crowns,true H&A..."

Like to hear that. Just purchased one for my wifes ring, though it just happend to be a Tolkowsky, I wasn''t searching them exclusively. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4206/

 

[Pandora II]

I'm not fussed on arrows at all.

I've seen LOTS IRL and in photos and there is just something overly technical and precise about them that irks me. Its probably part of the thing that puts me off modern diamonds in general - you can actually produce perfection. Its a masterpiece of engineering, but about as romantic as a washing machine or the Dyson animal.

The thing I find myself really loving is the look of the perfect sized open culet in an old cut. I just love that little hole at the bottom of the stone.

 

[Dancing Fire]

the WF "dark arrows" pix aren''t what you gonna see in everyday life. the WF pix you see are taken under certain lighting condition to capture the arrows.

my wife''s two H&A solitaires. in real life....the arrows don''t stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 5/9/2008 9:39:42 PM
Author: surfgirl
I dont care for arrows at all. I suppose that''s why I have an antique cut, I get the round without the spikey arrows, which suits my eye. It''s all subjective really.

i love OEC too.....for different reasons.

 

[Lorelei]

hey la lee la MY BOYFRIENDS BACK!!!!!!!

MISSED YOU DF!

 

[beaujolais]

Doesn''t work for me. Such order is, to me, sterile and boring.

 

[risingsun]

Date: 5/11/2008 7:14:47 AM
Author: sonomacounty
Doesn''t work for me. Such order is, to me, sterile and boring.

We wouldn''t want to bore you

What cut appeals to you?

 

[Isabelle]

Date: 5/10/2008 7:24:21 PM
Author: Pandora II
I''m not fussed on arrows at all.


I''ve seen LOTS IRL and in photos and there is just something overly technical and precise about them that irks me. Its probably part of the thing that puts me off modern diamonds in general - you can actually produce perfection. Its a masterpiece of engineering, but about as romantic as a washing machine or the Dyson animal.

The thing I find myself really loving is the look of the perfect sized open culet in an old cut. I just love that little hole at the bottom of the stone.

Pandora, it is so funny. I agree with you about the over-emphasis on numbers, and so many GG''s who have dedicated their lives to the study of diamonds have said over and over that the numbers don''t necessarily always correlate with the way a diamond looks. I''ll give you an example, I have a diamond that is an absolute DOG on Gary''s HCA scale: a 5.4! I mean A D-O-G. But I swear to God, if you saw it you would never, ever believe that. It is sparkles like crazy, and it looks beautiful on when you stare at it. And it''s as white as any white diamond I have seen. I had read so many articles from the GIA warning over and over that numbers alone cannot replace the visual assessment and I know first hand that to be true. I plan to make an appointment at WF soon to talk about resetting that little doggie diamond of mine. But I have to tell you that I get compliments on that puppy all the time. Crooked prongs and all. LOL

 

[Ellen]

I personally think there is beauty in all cuts, and I''d love to own one of each just to prove it.

 

[WinkHPD]

In normal lighting you will not see the "dark arrows" These are created by the lighting used and the closeness of the camera lens. In fact, an antique cut will have even wider “black arrows” in this kind of setup, and if poorly cut can look like gross pools of black ink and be far more distracting.

Since we rarely see antique cuts in the PS vendor setups this is an understandable misunderstanding. As an example, here’s a photo of Chrono’s beautiful transitional cut in such a setup. Let me say again, there is nothing wrong with this diamond!!! When the lens is not right on top of it and the diamond is in-motion it’s a bountiful blazing beauty. It’s no different with modern rounds.

I will show a picture of it in normal lighting in the next post

Wink

 

[WinkHPD]

Here it is, set into a ring and photographed in a more normal lighting situation. Ahhh, a thing of beauty!

Wink

 

[Ellen]

Great comparison Wink.

 

[Pandora II]

That stone is to die for...

 

[Lynn B]

Wink, absolutely an AWESOME comparison! Thanks!!!

And DF, welcome back from the dead!!!

How ARE you and the girls?!!!

 

[surfgirl]

Sorry Wink, but that first photo doesn''t look at all like arrows to my eye, at least not in the same way a very precise and orderly RB looks. I think what some of us are saying is that we prefer the disorderliness, if you will, of exactly what you''ve shown us. Nice photo...

 

[WinkHPD]

Thank you, I did not take it, it was posted in the show me the ring section some time ago I believe.

Wink

 

[WinkHPD]

Oh, and I totally respect your right to like what you like. That is a big part of what makes this a fun business to be in!

Wink

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 5/11/2008 6:06:24 PM
Author: Lynn B
Wink, absolutely an AWESOME comparison! Thanks!!!

And DF, welcome back from the dead!!!

How ARE you and the girls?!!!

thanks,Lynn
do you still own that beautiful "brutal girdle" diamond?

the girls are doing find but expensive. i been spending diamond money on them,so for now all i can do is dream about my 2.5 ct stone.

 

[Rhino]

Date: 5/11/2008 7:34:11 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 5/11/2008 6:06:24 PM
Author: Lynn B
Wink, absolutely an AWESOME comparison! Thanks!!!

And DF, welcome back from the dead!!!

How ARE you and the girls?!!!

thanks,Lynn
do you still own that beautiful ''brutal girdle'' diamond?

the girls are doing find but expensive. i been spending diamond money on them,so for now all i can do is dream about my 2.5 ct stone.

Hey DF,

You can tell me its none of my business but just how many ladies are you purchasing diamonds for? I find it a bit trying with just one but more than one?

Are you an Arabian sheik with a harem?

 

[Rhino]

Date: 5/11/2008 2:09:24 PM
Author: Ellen
I personally think there is beauty in all cuts, and I''d love to own one of each just to prove it.

Yep. When you''ve seen many beautifully cut diamonds you learn to have an appreciation of them all. With regards to the H&A types (or diamonds with precise optical symmetry), regardless of a person''s taste I believe cutters should be rewarded for taking the time it does to cut such a piece of art as it reflects a level of care and craftsmanship that is not reflected in 99% of the diamond cutting world. Even though Optical Symmetry is a characteristic that is not yet taken into account by the 2 biggies, as conservative labs further refine their cut grading systems I believe it is an aspect that will eventually be taken into account because it is not only something that can be verified visibly in controlled lighting but can also be demonstrated and proven mathematically by scanners with the ability to measure all the facet sets showing plainly just how precise or how wonky a stone is cut. IMO always safer to play conservative but thats just my .02c. Bottom line is just make sure it is *your eyes* that enjoy what you purchase and noone elses regardless of shape or cutting style.

I ran into an oddity this week in the realm of cushions. Generally when we''re calling in Cushions and its a "cushion modified" on the lab report most of the time those are the crushed ice kind, well I was in for a surprise. The thing had broad chunks like no tomorrow.

Gee ... just when you thought you''re learning about a certain consistency among certain criteria on lab reports there''s always that monkey wrench out there that throws ya for a loop.

 

[CrookedRock]

Date: 5/11/2008 8:07:52 PM
Author: Rhino

Date: 5/11/2008 2:09:24 PM
Author: Ellen
I personally think there is beauty in all cuts, and I''d love to own one of each just to prove it.

I ran into an oddity this week in the realm of cushions. Generally when we''re calling in Cushions and its a ''cushion modified'' on the lab report most of the time those are the crushed ice kind, well I was in for a surprise. The thing had broad chunks like no tomorrow.

Gee ... just when you thought you''re learning about a certain consistency among certain criteria on lab reports there''s always that monkey wrench out there that throws ya for a loop.

Hey there Rhino!!! Wow, just what we need to confuse us even more! I would love to see a pic, do you have one? Or is it on the site?

 

[kcoursolle]

I don''t like the look of arrows in pictures, but I love them in person. They are much more subtle in person and can look lovey when slightly tilted. If you still don''t like the look in person you might want to try looking at OMCs and OECs in person and see how you like them.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 5/11/2008 8:34:40 PM
Author: CrookedRock

Date: 5/11/2008 8:07:52 PM
Author: Rhino

Date: 5/11/2008 2:09:24 PM
Author: Ellen
I personally think there is beauty in all cuts, and I''d love to own one of each just to prove it.

I ran into an oddity this week in the realm of cushions. Generally when we''re calling in Cushions and its a ''cushion modified'' on the lab report most of the time those are the crushed ice kind, well I was in for a surprise. The thing had broad chunks like no tomorrow.

Gee ... just when you thought you''re learning about a certain consistency among certain criteria on lab reports there''s always that monkey wrench out there that throws ya for a loop.

Hey there Rhino!!! Wow, just what we need to confuse us even more! I would love to see a pic, do you have one? Or is it on the site?

hey CR, there is actually a video of it on Rhino''s site - I think its the first one

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 5/11/2008 7:56:25 PM
Author: Rhino

Date: 5/11/2008 7:34:11 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Hey DF,

You can tell me its none of my business but just how many ladies are you purchasing diamonds for? I find it a bit trying with just one but more than one?

Are you an Arabian sheik with a harem?

hey Jon
more expensive than harem....two young daughters ages 20 and 21.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 5/11/2008 8:07:52 PM
Author: Rhino

Bottom line is just make sure it is *your eyes* that enjoy what you purchase and noone elses regardless of shape or cutting style.

I agree.


I was thinking about this thread yesterday, and I do wonder if people who look at our blown up pics get a skewed view of H&A's in real life. I know from looking at all the pics that they are easy to spot in other stones in real life, you can't really not see them once you know what to look for/what you are looking at.

However, my SIL who lives out of town, and who has never seen these photos, and possibly no real H&A cuts, outside of mine, is extremely drawn to my stone. She doesn't know it's H&A's (I don't think she even sees the arrows, she's never said she has), I never told her, I just said it was very well cut. She just knows it's beautiful, and not like any other round she's seen. We see her at least twice a year, and she never fails to pick my ring up and look at it when I take it off.

I just wonder if some who don't like them, would, if they didn't know what they were, and hadn't been subjected to hundreds of humongous photos.

btw, she has an oval, so she is not drawn to symmetrical cuts by nature.


Just my musings, not trying to change minds here.

 

[ajl]

Date: 5/11/2008 2:09:24 PM
Author: Ellen
I personally think there is beauty in all cuts, and I'd love to own one of each just to prove it.

Ditto!!! I have never seen a H&A in real life so I don't know if I would like one or not. (I suspect that I would.) My original was a very nice RB but not a H&A. I was scared that if I replaced in w/ a H&A I would look at it and think "boo hoo you aren't the same stone". So I went with a cushion so I wouldn't try and make the comparison. Now I want an asscher, an EC, a pear w/ a halo, an OEC, an OMC and of course a H&A. Damn you PS and GOG.

 

[Splinter]

Date: 5/9/2008 9:39:03 PM
Author: purrfectpear
BTW I saw a photo on eBay the other day with arrows photoshopped (badly) onto the pic of the stone

Man, some people will do anything to make a buck... Now I happen to have a genuine H&A for sale. The most perfect arrows you''ve ever seen. Let me know if anyone''s interested...

 

[risingsun]

^^^Good post, Ellen. I look at my diamond and think how could someone look at this fireball and pronounce it boring or too precise. The comments I receive are more of the "wow" nature. People don''t know the details of my diamond, they just know that it sparkles like crazy. I occasionally see silvery arrows--usually no more than three at a time--if I tilt the stone "just so." It''s an RB and performs brilliantly. If there is something wrong with that, than I just don''t get it