Does anyone else find today's world hyper-emotional?

[the_mother_thing]

Fair enough, then why doesn't Trump call out Fox News then?

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-p...-networks-lies-about-migrant-caravan-there-no

https://www.thewrap.com/fox-business-host-lou-dobbs-deletes-tweets-calling-cnn-mail-bomb-fake-news/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/andrew-napolitano/

These are just a few of the lies on Fox and their news teams, yet Trump never calls these out.

I know you don't like Trump personally but this kind of crap he does about FAKE news sets his followers all a glow.

Not splitting hairs here, but I suspect you might think I am. However, the use of the term ‘invasion’ was swapped out for ‘caravan’ by someone (I forget whom) to define their perception of thousands of people marching toward our border with the intent to force/gain entry. At the end of the day, regardless of whether you call them ‘invaders’ or ‘caravaners’, they are a large group of people - mostly who appear to me to be ‘able-bodied’ young men - who are making it quite clear they plan to break our country’s laws.

No ideas on the Lou Dobbs tweets ... I don’t really ‘do’ twitter and hadn’t heard about it. As an aside, I found this (see link below, teased in the article you posted by the same website) to be ‘telling’ and supports what many on the right have said about how vile many on the left are when it comes to Chump, yet ‘you all’ are silent to THESE types of evil, hate-filled demonstrations of ‘free speech’ and the role they play in evoking hateful acts in society. My point isn’t to deflect; it’s simply to highlight there are MANY more people besides the President who contribute to the hate, yet ‘everyone’ wants to focus only on him. https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-stars-donald-trump-violent-death-kathy-griffin-snoop-dogg/

With regard to Judge Nap’s comments, he’s a guest commentator. Personally speaking, I don’t hold him in the exact same light that I do an anchor/host of a ‘news’ program, like - for instance - Rachel Maddow, Tucker Carlson, Kate Snow, etc. That said, yes, news programs should have a duty to present ‘subject matter experts’ who are knowledgeable & truthful, but I think most of the people they ALL bring on their shows are opinion commentators/biased. And when they mistake facts, they should be called out. The challenge becomes, who’s fact-checking the fact-checkers, especially when many of them have also been cited to exert political bias?

The other challenge is, how much of the ‘news’ these days is actually ‘news’? It’s all largely a political crapshow. And both sides are guilty of setting their base ‘aglow’ with rhetoric.

 

[HollyS]

How this devolved into a Trump vs. Fake News discussion is beyond my comprehension. Somehow I missed that connection, except it seemed to stem from internal disagreements between posters.

What I did not miss was that ksinger seemed to understand, yet not necessarily agree entirely with, the OP, and then posted a truly thoughtful and reasonable response. One can disagree, while finding common ground.

 

[redwood66]

@the_mother_thing I agree with most of that but I do not see Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, or Tucker Carlson as "news" because both are very upfront with their opinions. I appreciate those that keep their own views on the down low like Chris Wallace. Not saying I don't watch Tucker because he is closer to my views of small L libertarian and calls out crap both sides do when it comes to some of those views. I don't like rabid partisanship.

@HollyS you are correct and it seems to happen often no matter the subject.

 

[Dancing Fire]

DF, you are a right winger, I find little fact or logic in your statements, but as we all know, you have a right to say them and think them.

With that said, as a right winged supporter of our president (whom I know you didn't vote for and don't like personally but can easily support and stomach his rhetoric and hyperbole and down right lies) can you define what FAKE NEWS is? What is fake that Trump finds in the NYTimes?

IDK, I don't read the NYT. They are way way left.

 

[Tekate]

So how do you know it's fake news?

IDK, I don't read the NYT. They are way way left.

 

[Dancing Fire]

So how do you know it's fake news?

b/c Trump say so!

 

[Tekate]

I think I unintentionally did as an aside to DF when he made a snark remark about liberals, so I read that and I was wondering what was fake news as DF had echoed this mantra for a while, I apologize I didn't meant to hijack the thread.

See: https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ld-hyper-emotional.244546/page-4#post-4438892

that said again I apologize, basically it was me just thinking about DF's remark and how a person can judge 'fake news'.

As to your remark about ksinger's post, I must be frank and honest, I didnt really understand her post or point, I had never heard the word 'virture signalling' and had to look it up finding it in the urban dictionary and to be honest, I've never met a person who does this kind of behavior. But I think maybe that is what Jambalaya is alluding to. I posted a link to Meghan McCain's twitter where she speaks a lot on her father and his death and her pain and someone called her out on being overwrought and people replied, similar to this thread here, it's really interesting.

I can understand Jambalaya's topic I just disagree with it, I am a progressive, and while I think it would be marvy if we could go back to a time when information was less available and pictures were only in magazines and newspapers, the unfortunate reality today is, it's on Facebook, on front pages of news sources and for some this over information is very very upsetting, leading to pain.

As to the mood of the country, I believe when 9/11 happened and when Obama was elected the floodgates of anger, resentment, pain, incredulousness, racism, and fear opened, then Trump was elected and the other floodgates opened, a lot of trauma for many. Remember please: THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION, I don't expect anyone to agree.. but for me, in my observations of 55+ years as to the change of tone in the USA it can all be traced back to 9/11.

How this devolved into a Trump vs. Fake News discussion is beyond my comprehension. Somehow I missed that connection, except it seemed to stem from internal disagreements between posters.

What I did not miss was that ksinger seemed to understand, yet not necessarily agree entirely with, the OP, and then posted a truly thoughtful and reasonable response. One can disagree, while finding common ground.

 

[the_mother_thing]

As to the mood of the country, I believe when 9/11 happened and when Obama was elected the floodgates of anger, resentment, pain, incredulousness, racism, and fear opened, then Trump was elected and the other floodgates opened, a lot of trauma for many. Remember please: THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION, I don't expect anyone to agree.. but for me, in my observations of 55+ years as to the change of tone in the USA it can all be traced back to 9/11.

I can kind of see the changes in our country’s leadership (the drastic differences in them, and I don’t mean race) since 9/11 perhaps contributing to a lot of ‘extreme mood swings’ among people ... too much drastic change in such a relatively short period of time. It’s not like we had 2 entire generations of people pass in the last 17 years. I think we’ve generally had more time for the country to adapt to major ‘change’ in societal norms. It’s possible that is a contributing factor; interesting thought.

 

[blingbunny10]

@Tekate - No offense taken! I don’t think I’m even allowed to name the person I was complaining about, but I still think it’s a crying shame that we cannot even state the facts as they happened. I know it does no good to dwell on it, but gah it really does make my blood boil! I had thought that we weren’t allowed to call the PSer out/ she wasn’t banned because of strict moderating erring on the side of kindness, but this thread made me question that.

@bludiva - see above, I don’t think I can name the person without having it be deleted. If it helps, it did not involve any shady vendor or LT dealings, just individuals.

 

[YadaYadaYada]

I could be totally wrong and off the mark but my guess about the instance @blingbunny10 is talking about had to do with a yellow sapphire nearly being gifted by a regular to someone she was trying to help and almost got taken advantage of.

Could be wrong though.

 

[redwood66]

As to the mood of the country, I believe when 9/11 happened and when Obama was elected the floodgates of anger, resentment, pain, incredulousness, racism, and fear opened, then Trump was elected and the other floodgates opened, a lot of trauma for many. Remember please: THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION, I don't expect anyone to agree.. but for me, in my observations of 55+ years as to the change of tone in the USA it can all be traced back to 9/11.

I can kind of see the changes in our country’s leadership (the drastic differences in them, and I don’t mean race) since 9/11 perhaps contributing to a lot of ‘extreme mood swings’ among people ... too much drastic change in such a relatively short period of time. It’s not like we had 2 entire generations of people pass in the last 17 years. I think we’ve generally had more time for the country to adapt to major ‘change’ in societal norms. It’s possible that is a contributing factor; interesting thought.

I blame it on social media that has given the ability to be anonymous and an a-hole. It also allows these a-holes to congregate together. @cmd2014 indicated the same observation.

 

[bludiva]

I could be totally wrong and off the mark but my guess about the instance @blingbunny10 is talking about had to do with a yellow sapphire nearly being gifted by a regular to someone she was trying to help and almost got taken advantage of.

Could be wrong though.

Aaaah I thought that poster *was* banned after writing some ugly things on another thread. Glad that situation didn't end as badly as it could have. PS drama!

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Again this is just a guess @bludiva, I could be totally wrong.

 

[the_mother_thing]

I blame it on social media that has given the ability to be anonymous and an a-hole. It also allows these a-holes to congregate together. @cmd2014 indicated the same observation.

I just had that conversation with a friend this morning, and I agree; not only does social media allow people to be anonymous, ignorant asshats, but it’s also one more place where few people’s noses leave, which perpetuates the same overstimulation of BS as the 24-hour news cycle.

 

[Jambalaya]

CMD, thank you for your long and thoughtful reply.

Regarding people being mean about Meghan McCain's grief for her father, I thought that was terrible. However, sadly, it didn't surprise me. I experienced a similar attitude from some when my parents died, from people close, actually. It was like they didn't want to hear about it for one minute, starting the days they died. It was a real shock with the first one, but it prepared me for the second one. For whatever reason, there are some people are totally, 100% intolerant of someone's grief. I can only imagine that death is an issue for them.

I even heard one cancer patient say that some people took advantage of her weakness during treatment to be mean to her.

Guess some people will always be bullies and perhaps perception of any weakness sets them off. Thankfully, I think this rare.