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Do oval diamonds look dull or get dirtier faster than other cuts?

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DiamondDense

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i notice with my fiancee's ring that it doesn't have that bling factor unless it's only just been recently cleaned.

wonder if this is due to the nature of the cut and the fact that, typically, ovals don't shine as bright as a comparably cut round or similar?

thoughts? advice?

thanks!
 
I thought we covered this???
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...antly-duller-than-when-i-first-got-it.229752/

"wonder if this is due to the nature of the cut and the fact that, typically, ovals don't shine as bright as a comparably cut round or similar?"
I think we said "yes" to this in your other thread.

Does your stone say anything about additional twinning wisp, pinpoints etc in the inclusions?

"thoughts? advice?"

Well, since you are still asking about it and it is still bothering you, maybe you should consider trading it up for a round...just an idea.

 
did you happen to receive an ASET for the diamond? I wonder if it's just not cut well, hence missing the sparkle factor. It sounds like you've gotten great advice about cleaning it, so if it's not sparkling, it might be the cut. I wonder though why platinum would darken. Where did you purchase this ring?
 
Yes, clean the diamond daily. Ovals don't often have great light return, period, so naturally they'll look their best when clean. All diamonds look better when they are clean. But ideal rounds seem to perform best when mildly dirty.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
All diamonds look better when they are clean. But ideal rounds seem to perform best when mildly dirty.
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Wait....what? Diamondseeker, could you clarify this statement?

Sorry to thread jack but i am so curious as to why ideal rounds perform best when mildly dirty...
 
metall said:
Wait....what? Diamondseeker, could you clarify this statement?

Sorry to thread jack but i am so curious as to why ideal rounds perform best when mildly dirty...
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I think what DS is saying is that NO diamond performs well when dirty, but of the various shapes, the round performs better when mildly dirty compared to the other shapes. @diamondseeker2006 please correct me if I misunderstood you. :mrgreen:
 
HI DiamondDense!
DS is making a good point- certain cutting styles perform better when dirty.
There's physical reasons for this having to do with facet size, and if the facet is acting like a mirror or a window. Larger, chunkier facets tend to act like mirrors that will reflect light, even when dirty.
In general, it's crucial to keep the stone clean- especially the pavilion ( bottom)
May I ask the specifics of the stone- can you post the GIA report ( or report number)?
How is it set?
 
IDK your story. Is is possible to trade in your oval for a round?
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Y ... All diamonds look better when they are clean. But ideal rounds seem to perform best when mildly dirty.
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FWIW:
I clean my Octavia Asscher every day, often twice.
I get it as clean as it was when new, since gunk never builds up, diamonds are easier to clean in a tension setting and I have a perfect cleaning process I stole from NASA.

My SO cleans his Octavia maybe twice a month, and does a poor job.
When I loupe it after he cleans it there's still a stubborn film.
Often I can't resist cleaning it for him.

Obviously mine outsparkles his, but is it astonishing how sparkly his Octavia is even when filthy.

So I'd dispute the claim that, "ideal rounds seem to perform best when mildly dirty".
 
kenny said:
FWIW:
I clean my Octavia Asscher every day, often twice.
I get it as clean as it was when new, since gunk never builds up, diamonds are easier to clean in a tension setting and I have a perfect cleaning process I stole from NASA.

My SO cleans his Octavia maybe twice a month, and does a poor job.
When I loupe it after he cleans it there's still a stubborn film.
Often I can't resist cleaning it for him.

Obviously mine outsparkles his, but is it astonishing how sparkly his Octavia is even when filthy.

So I'd dispute the claim that, "ideal rounds seem to perform best when mildly dirty".
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A clean ideal MRB produces intense and brighter reflections.
A mildly dirty ideal MRB can produce softer, milder and pastel-like reflections. Some light scattering is not always bad.
I do not necessarily agree that ideal rounds perform the best when mildly dirty. But I enjoy fully enjoy either way, mildly dirty or clean.
It depends on the lighting condition as well. A mildly dirty stone under diffused light can look good. But under direct sunlight, it is just bad; you see all the oil, dirt and finger prints..
 
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When light enters, bounces inside, or exits a diamond it changes direction a known and planned amount.
The angle of change depends on the properties of the two materials, diamond and air.
But if the diamond is dirty a third material is added, gunk.

That gunk changes actually the light-angle-change that was so carefully planned in a well cut diamond.
 
HI:

Whats a bling factor?

cheers--Sharon
 
yennyfire said:
I think what DS is saying is that NO diamond performs well when dirty, but of the various shapes, the round performs better when mildly dirty compared to the other shapes. @diamondseeker2006 please correct me if I misunderstood you. :mrgreen:
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Thank GOODNESS someone understood my poorly worded statement!!!:lol: YES, that is what I meant! Thanks, Yenny!

When you have a SET of mildly dirty diamonds, ideal rounds probably perform best compared to stones that are not as well cut. Obviously other stones cut for light performance such as Octavia will be similar to the ideal cut round. I'd say larger faceted stones like my AVR still look good, but I can see the dirt more than I can on an ideal cut stone with smaller facets, and I clean it more often than I do my ideal cut rounds.

Keep those diamonds clean, people! :lol:
 
@diamondseeker2006 @Rockdiamond @yennyfire

OOOOOO....HAHAHA omg. DRAT! I thought to myself..I need a diamond that will perform better when dirty! I am terrible at keeping my ering clean (I clean my diamond once a month...if I remember)

Though, I personally don't mind when my diamond is a little dirty, it will still sparkle like crazy, unless i do something dumb like...get mustard under the stone. Two reasons for this: 1) I am easily distracted and have blinded myself a few times admiring my own ring. 2) It helps me not feel so self conscious since i have the largest stone of my friend group (for now).
 
Extremely simple solution metall
Next time you reach for a hot dog, take off the ring!!

Seriously...gunk under the stone is bad regardless of the cut.
A pet peeve of mine is people who apply hand lotion while wearing the ring- that stuff, once dried, is nearly impossible to clean off....
 
Rockdiamond said:
Extremely simple solution metall
Next time you reach for a hot dog, take off the ring!!

Seriously...gunk under the stone is bad regardless of the cut.
A pet peeve of mine is people who apply hand lotion while wearing the ring- that stuff, once dried, is nearly impossible to clean off....
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@Rockdiamond I promise it wasn't an eating related incident! I was carrying groceries into the house and i didn't notice that a bottle busted open. When I reached in to grab the mustard from the bag, I ended up with a fist full of the stuff. It took me about 2 hours, three dips in the ultrasonic and a bit of elbow grease to get every speck off.

I do take care not to get lotions or oils on my ring, but as a general rule a little bit of dust and potentially skin cells doesn't bother me.
 
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tyty333 said:
I thought we covered this???
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...antly-duller-than-when-i-first-got-it.229752/

"wonder if this is due to the nature of the cut and the fact that, typically, ovals don't shine as bright as a comparably cut round or similar?"
I think we said "yes" to this in your other thread.

Does your stone say anything about additional twinning wisp, pinpoints etc in the inclusions?

"thoughts? advice?"

Well, since you are still asking about it and it is still bothering you, maybe you should consider trading it up for a round...just an idea.
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HappyNewLife said:
did you happen to receive an ASET for the diamond? I wonder if it's just not cut well, hence missing the sparkle factor. It sounds like you've gotten great advice about cleaning it, so if it's not sparkling, it might be the cut. I wonder though why platinum would darken. Where did you purchase this ring?
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Rockdiamond said:
HI DiamondDense!
DS is making a good point- certain cutting styles perform better when dirty.
There's physical reasons for this having to do with facet size, and if the facet is acting like a mirror or a window. Larger, chunkier facets tend to act like mirrors that will reflect light, even when dirty.
In general, it's crucial to keep the stone clean- especially the pavilion ( bottom)
May I ask the specifics of the stone- can you post the GIA report ( or report number)?
How is it set?
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You need to clean that diamond well. In your last thread you said you cleaned it once in two months. Clean it - really clean it - every day for a week and then see what you think.
 
I wonder if its gotten lotion or hair products on the surface making it need a thorough cleaning. I'd soak it in very warm water with dawn dish soap for 10 mins. Using a chis soft toothbrush, scrub thoroughly. Soak again. Scrub again. You might need a small interdental brush to get the pavilllion.
 
AS ASETs for ovals go, that particular ASET shows really nice light performance.

Ultrasonic cleaners have become very reasonably priced - do some research with a local jeweler perhaps on the types of jewelry she has and, for your ring (and anything else you have that wont be damaged) have one handy for frequent cleaning.
 
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