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  1. qubitasaurus
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    by qubitasaurus » May 21, 2019
    I can think of some other examples of this on IG. It makes me super reluctant to buy anything from them, even when I can't work out the source and don't know how to get the item myself. I just feel slimy, and I can't help having a knee jerk reaction every time I see a recommendation on ps that someone buy from these IG vendors. I personally feel there is nothing wrong with charging a 'finders fee' markup, but I hate it when they don't even have the item in inventory. I also hate it their finders fee is an extremely large percentage of the price.

    I now side eye all IG vendors that dont have websites selling their inventory with actual pricing or prices listed on their posts. Just because of a few bad cases, it is a shame.
     
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    by KristyDarling » May 21, 2019
    OMG YES!!! The slow unboxings are super annoying. What's so special about a box opening? Just go straight to the money shot!!! :confused2:
     
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    @arkieb1 @JPie Could you guys share the name of the IG sellers who do this? I for one would greatly appreciate knowing who it is. Thanks.
     
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    by Gussie » May 21, 2019
    I agree that it would be pertinent to know who these sellers are. When I buy a vintage/antique piece, I expect the vendor to have inspected the item for me. If the vendor doesn't physically have the inventory, this obviously isn't possible. This is shirking a large part of their responsibility imo.
     
    


    


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    by daintyG » May 21, 2019
    YES, I have been to one jewelry store that does something like this. It's a mall store that sells some designer settings--Bailey, Banks, and Biddle. Unfortunately, they closed. Anyway, I went and tried on dozens of rings EVERY time I visited this mall. I liked it because you didn't have to bother a sales person to try on rings. They just have samples out for you to try on. The stones are cz and the metal is probably some type of silver, but you still get the idea about whether or not you like the setting. I discovered that I LOVED a certain A. Jaffe soli that I never would have picked out of an online listing or even asked to try on from the case. It's very comfortable and flattering.

    They do have other rings behind some glass cases that you have to ask to try on and buy outright.
     
  6. JPie
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    by JPie » May 21, 2019
    The seller I mentioned in the first post of this thread is lindasherrie. I have screenshots of our entire IG conversation history for anyone who wants to verify my account of what happened.

    I haven’t had direct experience with other questionable IG sellers but this is what I am comfortable with posting:
    • Last year, YourJeweleryFinder was accused by ADealBetweenUs of using his photo without credit to offer a piece for sale. The item in question did not belong to YJF, nor had she made prior arrangements with ADBU about it. He said she blocked his account but he was alerted by one of his account followers who recognized the piece as his. When he posted about the incident with screenshots, YJF deleted the sale post, insisted in other posts that she did nothing wrong, then deleted all mention of the incident from her IG. I no longer follow YJF so I do not know if that was a one-time incident or a recurring theme.
    • This seller has been in the center of much controversy in the IG jewelry community: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/ladyloveliescurio.com I have not purchased anything from her so I have no bad experiences to share. She has multiple IG selling accounts and 60K+ followers. The accusations made against her are about the misrepresentation of items - incorrectly stated gold content, poorly repaired pieces sold as perfect condition, and refusing refunds when confronted with appraisals revealing the misrepresentation. Her response has been that honest mistakes happen, she's only human, and she will gladly refund you if you're not happy. I choose not to shop with her because I have seen her list a $900 eBay ring for over $2,000, and I don't feel the need to line her pockets.
    • Last PSA: this Georgian reproduction ring is currently being sold on Ruby Lane as an authentic antique. I do not know if the seller is aware that it's a repro, but do yourself a favor and don't pay more than a few hundred for this: https://www.rubylane.com/item/996295-3067/Georgian-14K-Sterling-Silver-Rose-Cut?search=1 Here's the same ring sold by another vendor as a repro: https://www.morninggloryjewelry.com...ring-heart-garnet-cabochon-rose-cut-diamonds/
     
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    by GlitterInMyHair » May 21, 2019
    Thank you so much for naming these shady sellers. I know about ladyloveliescurio, but not the others.
     
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    by bludiva » May 21, 2019

    of these i'd only heard of yourjewelryfinder previously and remember thinking her pricing seemed really high. that explains it...!
     
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    by elizat » May 21, 2019
    I suspected one was her too. Her prices are so high too!
     
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    by elizat » May 21, 2019
    Yeah...it's high. But I guess it makes sense now.
     
    


    


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    by missy » May 21, 2019
    Thank you @JPie, I appreciate you sharing this.
     
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    by elizat » May 21, 2019
    Thanks for sharing. I thought one was lady lovelies.

    There is so much Georgian jewelry that is misrepresented. I am glad that's not my time period.

    Another thing I see are target ring settings. I see so many that are pristine and they are not disclosed as newly made.

    I think some sellers make mistakes, but I saw one seller buy a piece from another vendor at a show. The original seller has it on their page as a repro setting before. I remember it. The new seller bought it and sold it as genuine. Now the new seller is not super experienced and went from a hobby to a small shop. I don't know if she was deceived or what.

    But I always shake my head at pristine target rings. If it's really deco, unless it was on a safe sitting or a box and not worn, it's going to have gemstone wear and abrasion and probably small chips in the halo.
     
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    by missy » May 21, 2019

    That's awful. The new seller knew it was not genuine and sold it as if it was an original. Deception pure and simple. :nono:
    I would rather pay more to honest above board sellers than people who deceive and yes mistakes happen but ignorance when one is in the business isn't OK either. I think if an honest mistake happens and the buyer realizes it and approaches the vendor and the vendor makes it right that's cool. But to purposefully deceive is so not cool and in my book unethical.
     
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    by elizat » May 21, 2019
    Yes! Agree!

    And you know what- I don't mind a repro target setting. I have had two before and while I no longer have the rings, they looked just fine. Being newly made meant I didn't have to worry about sapphires or emeralds in the Calibre halo falling out if I wacked my hand or did something dumb. Disclose it and it's fine!
     
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    by JPie » May 21, 2019
    @elizat mistakes happen, and I agree with @missy that sellers need to be educated about their own product and stand behind what they sell.

    The authentication of antique jewelry seems to be a tricky business. For example, I have a ring purchased from a very reputable seller. I got the opinion of two other sellers about the age of it and they both said it was a reproduction and why they thought so. A third seller said it was authentic, and I trust her opinion because it's based on years of doing restoration, repairs, and conversions with similar antique pieces.
     
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    by elizat » May 21, 2019
    I guess I'm talking a lot about halos today!

    I bought a ring from Diamond Addiction on Etsy that was sold as a likely French, deco enamel ring. It had some weird hallmarks that were pretty well worn. You really had to work to get them in sight even with a loupe.

    I don't have it anymore, but I went back after I no longer had it because I had bought a new book that had all kinds of hallmarks. Based upon what I saw, it was a Polish reproduction that dated to the 1960's. I learned this well after I no longer had it. A vendor confirmed it too.

    I think if you have a shop like that you need to research the hallmarks. They were not anywhere close to french hallmarks. I stupidly didn't check at the time because the ring was around $1k, because the center was about .50.

    I always wondered if I should say something to the shop, but chose not to.
     
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    by Rfisher » May 23, 2019
    Replying in this thread- the other thread's OP doesn't deserve this hijack.

    Answer to the above bolded is: following rules/guidelines/fees/accountability of those sites you mentioned. It's all fun and games and 'friendly' on IG until it's not.
     
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    by joelly » May 23, 2019
    I agree with this. Plus he is so nice. He doesn’t let you second guess yourself. I haven’t even buy from him yet. I’ve asked him on so many items already and he indulged me. He makes me feel like I’m not bothering him.
     
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    by arkieb1 » May 23, 2019
    I think there are two groups those that aren't aware they are selling reproductions or newer Antique pieces, and those that don't care.

    I know Lady Lovelies Curio, she tries her best to sell genuine pieces, having said that I think she made a few mistakes when she first started selling on IG that have come back to haunt her, these days she is far more careful about what she sells.

    The other lady named by @JPie however, has been knowingly reselling stuff from Adam and others using their photos on Etsy and IG when she doesn't even own the pieces she is selling... she has been called out on this several times and is still doing it.

    There is a Russian lady selling on Etsy who will remain nameless that also has a huge following that sells anything as Antiques and doesn't care, and another two that I can think of on Etsy with shops full of fake Victorian and Georgian portrait eye pieces (rings, brooches and pendants, that are not Antiques) selling them for thousands of dollars.

    Look carefully there are more than a dozen of them on Etsy or IG, some big some small, that misrepresent the period of the pieces or the work that has been done to those pieces, for example a few of them take something old like a ring setting and they get a brand new old looking portrait done and set it in an old setting selling it as an all Antique pieces, the eye pieces are a classic example of this instead of selling a complete reproduction they knowingly take pieces of old mix them with new and sell them as thousands of dollar genuine Antiques - this has been going on since IG and Etsy started.
     
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    by jauhara » May 27, 2019
    I used to follow a lot of jewelers on IG but the habit of not posting pricing put me off. Slowly I unfollowed all of them except ParksFineGroup. I love the stones he finds and I love seeing the prices. I haven't bought from him yet, but I'm certain I will one day.
     
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    by autumngems » May 28, 2019
    I'm over it now. If you can't list the price, then I don't bother, it's so frustrating. Then you have those on IG that say they have Etsy also, you go to their Etsy and there are only two items on there (repeatedly), really? They show 30 on IG and so you have to got IG and inquire. I give up. If you really wanted to sell it, you would list the price. I am not here to play games. Count me gone. Also by the time you get an answer on something it's sold.
     
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    by elizat » May 29, 2019
    There is a new shop on Instagram with a website. One of their listings came up that was my old ring. I sold it for $825. They are selling it for $1750.

    https://www.lumiere-shop.com/shop/blueenameldiamondring

    The woman I sold it to asked for a discount because she loved it, but had a budget she had to stick to, had recent unexpected vet bills and hope I wouldn't be offended, etc. I know people lie, but really? The email of the person I sold it to matches the name of the person that responded to me at the antique shop. Just be honest and say I want to buy this ring and this is what I will offer. Don't tell me a sob story about how you have a budget, want to buy it and can I consider x because of why if it is something you are buying to flip. Just make your offer and I'll say yes or no or counter.

    https://www.lumiere-shop.com/

    This is the ring I referenced above that I later found out is likely a reproduction. They are listing it as a dealer, saying it is a French deco ring. They note that there are hallmarks, but don't disclose that the hallmarks don't match any known French hallmarks. The don't even have photos of them. If they did research on them, they should know they are not traditional French hallmarks in anyway shape or form.

    And this...

    https://www.lumiere-shop.com/shop/artnouveautopazring

    That looks like synthetic blue spinel to me and it's way too heavy of a setting to be art nouveau in my opinion.
     
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    by bludiva » May 29, 2019
    I've heard variations on this story so many times and had it happen to me many years ago while selling my first car (opportunity cost of $1100 which was huge to me at the time!). Sorry to hear it.

    When I sell something of mine peer-to-peer these days I just stick to whatever price I've listed or whatever I have in mind as my bottom line and consider the buyer's stories or motivations to be their own business and irrelevant to the transaction. o_O
     
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    by elizat » May 29, 2019
    Thanks. Sometimes I think I am too nice.

    I am kind of ticked off. I emailed them. And I also emailed that they should do their research and if they are going to hold themselves out as dealers, they should research hallmarks. I also said that if they are going to acquire pieces from individuals, don't lie about the details when you make an offer. Just make an offer and be done with it. Just a shady business practice.
     
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    by KristyDarling » May 29, 2019
    YES!!! What is with the whole "All these pieces are listed in my Etsy shop - please visit for details" only to arrive at an Etsy that has nothing in it?!? This is super duper common on Instagram. WHY do they do this??? I can't bear to think of the amount of time I've wasted on this futile exercise.
     
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    by JPie » May 29, 2019
    @elizat I'm sorry you had to deal with that. That person is just plain greedy and took advantage of your kindness. It's so wrong of her to misrepresent the ring too. I've added her to my blocked list on Instagram.
     
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    by KristyDarling » May 29, 2019
    I just did the same. Thanks for the heads-up, Elizat, and I'm sorry that happened to you!
     
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    by GlitterInMyHair » May 30, 2019
    That's shady AF. Thank you for sharing her shop name so I can buy from her, never.
     
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    by Rubybrick » Jun 1, 2019
    this is terrible sorry you had to deal with it, glad you shared this. I can’t think of worst way of being taken advantage over!
     
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    by KristyDarling » Jun 19, 2019
    Another annoying tactic is, "DM for details. Serious inquiries only." :roll: Wait, so I can only contact you if there's a very good chance I will end up buying? How could I possibly know that I'm going to buy unless I ask for the details/pricing? Does that mean I'd be a "non-serious" jerk if I ask for deets and then decide against it??
     
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