Diamond thoughts?

[ellisr21]

will this stone shine like fire?

Round
color: I
grade SI2
Cut: Excelent
carat: 0.90
cert: GIA
faceted: slightly thick 4.0%
Measurements: 6.14 - 6.18 x 3.85mm

 

[Lorelei]

will this stone shine like fire?

Round
color: I
grade SI2
Cut: Excelent
carat: 0.90
cert: GIA
faceted: slightly thick 4.0%
Measurements: 6.14 - 6.18 x 3.85mm

Hi Ellis and welcome!

We need more information to be able to give you advice whether this diamond is likely to sparkle and do all the things a diamond should do, would you be able to link to or upload a copy of the GIA report please? That would give us a good overview of the proportions of the diamond and if there are any potential flags we need to discuss. Do you have any images for this diamond such as Idealscope please? Is the diamond for sale online or from a jewellery store? If you wish, post the price too and we can comment on that but it would be important to know where the diamond is for sale as this can also influence price.

 

[ellisr21]

The stones are through a broker who I know. So the price is irrelevant since I am going to buy form him no matter what. These are 2 that he has currently in the range I am looking for. I have attached the certs. Please let me know what one, if any you would choose.

 

[Lorelei]

The stones are through a broker who I know. So the price is irrelevant since I am going to buy form him no matter what. These are 2 that he has currently in the range I am looking for. I have attached the certs. Please let me know what one, if any you would choose.

Hi Ellis,

Thanks for the extra info! I would for now concentrate on the GIA graded diamond as EGL stones, although they are often cheaper than those graded by GIA or AGS, can in some cases be graded less strictly for colour and clarity. With this GIA graded diamond, it has potential but there are a couple of things that need further evaluation. It's facing up a little small in the diameter, a .90 ct diamond should measure around 6.3 - 6.4mm, but that's not necessarily a huge issue, more concerning is the crown and pavilion angle combination. Although the diamond could be perfectly fine depending on overall cut precision and the actual angle measurements ( GIA round them and use the average), it is possible that this diamond could show what we call light leakage. This means that some steep deep angled diamonds, such as this one potentially ( although it's borderline), can leak light and not sparkle as well as they should do. Imagine a bucket with holes in with water leaking out of them, that's a similar analogy. But it might not be the case with this diamond if as mentioned above, if the cut precision is good and depending on what the angles actually are, what we would need to judge if there is any light leakage is an Idealscope or ASET image. Can your broker provide anything like that for you?

Also do you know if the GIA diamond is eye clean and isn't showing any visible inclusions? Some SI2 can be incredible bargains if eye clean in most lighting conditions, but others may not be, it's a stone by stone call.

 

[RockyRacoon]

The stones are through a broker who I know. So the price is irrelevant since I am going to buy form him no matter what. These are 2 that he has currently in the range I am looking for. I have attached the certs. Please let me know what one, if any you would choose.

I would choose neither of these.

'Knowing' a broker won't necessarily get you better pricing - but it will get you in a position where you can't make a decision without emotion/relationship becoming involved. Many people here 'know brokers,' but realize that this is not where you will get the best price/quality. Hopefully you come to this realization before wasting any money!

As evidenced by these two stones being offered, this 'broker' isn't emphasizing any aspects that you actually care about as a consumer. This guy has volume to sell, and offering these as two options shows that he is not offering high-quality stones.

First stone is EGL, which means it could be ANYTHING. Worthless paper. Do a little research into EGL and you'll quickly see why.

Second stone is SI2 with Crystal as the only clarity characteristic. It is almost impossible that this stone will be eye-clean. In addition, the proportions are not very good, with the cut being far below ideal. It scores a 3.7 on the HCA, which is not worth further consideration.

If you don't care what the stone looks like and you just want a diamond, go for one of these. If you want a high-quality stone you can be proud of, look at another vendor. We can help you here, if you provide your budget and are open to the assistance.

 

[ellisr21]

Thank you all... Budget for the stone is up to about 4,000

 

[Lorelei]

Thank you all... Budget for the stone is up to about 4,000

I take it you have changed your mind about buying from this broker now Ellis? If so, we would be pleased to offer you some suggestions, my apologies, I took what you said about buying from this broker no matter what to mean that's how you wanted to proceed!

 

[ellisr21]

i'm willing to look

 

[Lorelei]

i'm willing to look

That's great Ellis, we will see what we can find for you and I would like to bet Rocky might already have a few in mind, racoons work fast where finding diamonds is concerned! Is your budget just for the stone or does it have to cover the setting too please?

 

[RockyRacoon]

Thank you all... Budget for the stone is up to about 4,000

You should be able to get something solid for that budget!


Here is a great option, well under budget:

.82ct, I, SI1 (this stone is only SLIGHTLY smaller, with better clarity, and guaranteed top-notch cut)
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12218/


If you can expand your budget a little bit, I would go for this one, already verified eye-clean:

.94ct, H, SI2
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-default&id=20

 

[RockyRacoon]

i'm willing to look

That's great Ellis, we will see what we can find for you and I would like to bet Rocky might already have a few in mind, racoons work fast where finding diamonds is concerned! Is your budget just for the stone or does it have to cover the setting too please?

Little hands make for quick typing!

 

[ellisr21]

stone only budget... 4,000 MAX

 

[ellisr21]

how about this stone? what do you guys think $3,600

 

[KenD]

If I read correctly, the HCA is: 1.1 Ex/Ex/Ex/VG.

 

[teobdl]

Looks like a fantastic price for a nicely proportioned diamond based on the report alone. Can't say anything more without further information (idealscope). Just curious, though, what is the date of the report, and is it a Gold or Platinum AGS report? If it's platinum, you dont need an idealscope for that grade and proportions. If it's gold report, you might want an idealscope, but for the price I might gamble on it if there's a good return policy.

 

[Lorelei]

i'm willing to look

That's great Ellis, we will see what we can find for you and I would like to bet Rocky might already have a few in mind, racoons work fast where finding diamonds is concerned! Is your budget just for the stone or does it have to cover the setting too please?

Little hands make for quick typing!

They do, dear little paws and I knew you would be ''beavering'' away already....

 

[Lorelei]

how about this stone? what do you guys think $3,600

Hi Ellis,

This diamond definitely has potential, do you have any more info on it such as an Idealscope image please? Although the proportions look very good indeed and it's an AGS0, an image would be good to verify how well everything works together.