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Diamond regret :( please advise me how to move forward!

For naturals - BN is less than most B+M stores but generally slightly higher than other online vendors... (BN also sometimes has nice proprietary/exclusive stones unavailable to other vendors)

He's flummoxed because technically you're already Ideal Spec but in the Brighter and Spready Category.. I think you would be clearer for him if you said more fire.... (steeper and deeper) The problem with steeper deeper is you lose the brightness and deeper steeper have less spread + more hidden ct weight...

Yellow / Green / Orange are all great....just different flavors

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So if it’s a trade off why are people so against 60/60 diamonds? They get ALOT of bad press even with the angles that mine has. He says he has one 2 carat in stock with those proportions that I can compare to but he is adamant I am not going to see see a difference ‍♀️

I had actually made peace with this until today and I started doing more googling! Gosh!

Also I do think I see those colours in some lighting and I also think I see the arrows which others say you don’t with 60/60s so really and truly maybe I just have no idea!
 
A diamond cut to more typical PS standards will have a more precise facet pattern with larger and more pronounced arrows. Your diamond is nicely cut but the parameter no one has mentioned is cut precision. This is how perfectly the facets meet and how symmetrical they are among other things. This type of precision creates the coveted arrows appearance where there is no darkness between the arrows. This can create a particular scintillation pattern that is desirable to many. It could be more sparkly than your stone with broader flash, creating drama. And it would have more fire. Downside is it will look smaller for carat weight and it won’t be as bright white across lighting conditions. In very bright spot lighting it would in fact go dark.
 
A diamond cut to more typical PS standards will have a more precise facet pattern with larger and more pronounced arrows. Your diamond is nicely cut but the parameter no one has mentioned is cut precision. This is how perfectly the facets meet and how symmetrical they are among other things. This type of precision creates the coveted arrows appearance where there is no darkness between the arrows. This can create a particular scintillation pattern that is desirable to many. It could be more sparkly than your stone with broader flash, creating drama. And it would have more fire. Downside is it will look smaller for carat weight and it won’t be as bright white across lighting conditions. In very bright spot lighting it would in fact go dark.

Thanks again, I do wish I’d just listened and made peace with my purchase now! I’m going in to see the jeweler tomorrow, he has a 2 carat in store with near ideal proportions that he has agreed I can look at. He said he would only allow me to trade in for a more expensive diamond at this point, which I definitely don’t want to do. He has said to me he guarantees I will not see a meaningful difference between the one I’m going to look at and mine.

However he seems to be so dismissive of SIC - it seems he doesn’t know much about them, and has said they are marketing - which to a point I get, you can’t walk into a store here in the UK and buy one. I feel really uncomfortable with the whole thing, although he is being really responsive to my messages. I feel like done a whole loop from feeling happy with my diamond to not today!

I’m just so worried about it looking glassy and flat - is there anyway for me to upload a video on here? I’d love you guys to see it
 
So if it’s a trade off why are people so against 60/60 diamonds? They get ALOT of bad press even with the angles that mine has. He says he has one 2 carat in stock with those proportions that I can compare to but he is adamant I am not going to see see a difference ‍♀️

I had actually made peace with this until today and I started doing more googling! Gosh!

Also I do think I see those colours in some lighting and I also think I see the arrows which others say you don’t with 60/60s so really and truly maybe I just have no idea!

They are not necessarily against 60/60 diamonds. The super ideal cut diamonds came to be after the 60/60 cut diamonds. Cutting precision has long been the focus here at PS. Your 60/60 diamond is well cut for its style - just as some Old European cut diamonds are better cut than others.
Notwithstanding your research, do you like what you see when you look at your diamond? If so, just let the rest go. Unless you are willing to try to get a full refund and purchase elsewhere, nothing else makes sense. Him having a diamond closer to super ideal cut specs won’t get you there either. They either are or they are not, and if they are they would have lots of images to back it up. He won’t find one of them on Blue Nile either. If you can articulate to him what you might not like in your diamond, he might be better able to address those issues. If it is just that you didn’t realize differences in cut, he really can’t fix that. If you think the price was unfair, not sure he will do much about that either. Is it a matter of what you see in the diamond, or more just a matter of general principle? Just trying to get to the root of the problem here.

Vendors who don’t sell super ideal cut diamonds are generally not that familiar with them. They usually are dismissive and will tell you there isn’t much difference. Pull up this link to a SIC and show him the images and videos. Again, don’t assume that you would like this stone better because you really might not. Just keep an open mind about your current diamond!
 
They are not necessarily against 60/60 diamonds. The super ideal cut diamonds came to be after the 60/60 cut diamonds. Cutting precision has long been the focus here at PS. Your 60/60 diamond is well cut for its style - just as some Old European cut diamonds are better cut than others.
Notwithstanding your research, do you like what you see when you look at your diamond? If so, just let the rest go. Unless you are willing to try to get a full refund and purchase elsewhere, nothing else makes sense. Him having a diamond closer to super ideal cut specs won’t get you there either. They either are or they are not, and if they are they would have lots of images to back it up. He won’t find one of them on Blue Nile either. If you can articulate to him what you might not like in your diamond, he might be better able to address those issues. If it is just that you didn’t realize differences in cut, he really can’t fix that. If you think the price was unfair, not sure he will do much about that either. Is it a matter of what you see in the diamond, or more just a matter of general principle? Just trying to get to the root of the problem here.

Hi
I really appreciate your time. Thank you. I am wondering if getting angles closer to the ideal range will just really enhance the sparkle and fire…that’s my issue. I’m worried that my diamond is missing something because and I’m unable to identify that because I haven’t seen it. Yes I think my diamond looks nice but I have nothing to compare it to. So I think the root of the issue is that I’m worried mine is flat and glassy looking compared to one with more ideal angles even if not super ideal.
 
But also I guess before I’d done all this research if someone said to me ‘do you want your diamond to look big and bright or smaller and more sparkly’ I probably would have said big and bright!

Hi
I really appreciate your time. Thank you. I am wondering if getting angles closer to the ideal range will just really enhance the sparkle and fire…that’s my issue. I’m worried that my diamond is missing something because and I’m unable to identify that because I haven’t seen it. Yes I think my diamond looks nice but I have nothing to compare it to. So I think the root of the issue is that I’m worried mine is flat and glassy looking compared to one with more ideal angles even if not super ideal.
 
Something I just thought of when you do go in and have both stones there for comparison do make sure he (or you) give yours a thorough cleaning top bottom and sizes so you’re comparing sparkle to sparkle.
 
Hi
I really appreciate your time. Thank you. I am wondering if getting angles closer to the ideal range will just really enhance the sparkle and fire…that’s my issue. I’m worried that my diamond is missing something because and I’m unable to identify that because I haven’t seen it. Yes I think my diamond looks nice but I have nothing to compare it to. So I think the root of the issue is that I’m worried mine is flat and glassy looking compared to one with more ideal angles even if not super ideal.

Getting closer to ideal range probably won’t make a big difference. Have you ever gone onto the Whiteflash.com website to see what goes into a SIC? The superior light performance is achieved with angles that work well with one another. There are guidelines to look for in super ideal cut diamonds, but they all have to work together to achieve the ultimate outcome and this is done through testing of each diamond. Nothing hit or miss about it. All this to say that just getting closer doesn’t assure you of ultimate performance that you might be looking for in a diamond.
Let us know if and when you go in to look at another diamond to see what you thought! Ask him for the table, crown, pavilion and depth numbers.
 
Ahhh that’s makes sense so essentially I have a diamond where the angles work together and I might go and look at one where they don’t even thought they technically fall into the more ideal range. He does seem very confused by my request I think maybe because SIC seem to be more of a US thing and he trades in the UK/India and UAE I think in the Indian market and UAe it is all about size and max impact!

Getting closer to ideal range probably won’t make a big difference. Have you ever gone onto the Whiteflash.com website to see what goes into a SIC? The superior light performance is achieved with angles that work well with one another. There are guidelines to look for in super ideal cut diamonds, but they all have to work together to achieve the ultimate outcome and this is done through testing of each diamond. Nothing hit or miss about it. All this to say that just getting closer doesn’t assure you of ultimate performance that you might be looking for in a diamond.
Let us know if and when you go in to look at another diamond to see what you thought! Ask him for the table, crown, pavilion and depth numbers.
 
Ahhh that’s makes sense so essentially I have a diamond where the angles work together and I might go and look at one where they don’t even thought they technically fall into the more ideal range. He does seem very confused by my request I think maybe because SIC seem to be more of a US thing and he trades in the UK/India and UAE I think in the Indian market and UAe it is all about size and max impact!

I believe it all originated in Japan and many of these diamonds are cut in India. I think there are markets around the globe that are aware of super ideal cut diamonds. They are more costly and therefore not sold by mainstream vendors. It is a rather niche market so lots of jewelers are not familiar and often poo-poo their attributes.
 
Some people today are rediscovering the Old Cuts (they are starting to make lab knock offs now)
Perhaps you should get # 2 ring w/ a warm OEC small table high crown set in Yellow gold.
Wear your "best in class" 60 during the day and at bright night events and take out the "Candlelight Cape" for dim lit Evenings..."

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I'm a bit of an older woman so I'll share my perspective on diamonds and life. Relax and if it makes the diamond angst any better, forget the diamond and wear a simple gold wedding band.

The most important decision you will make regarding this engagement is your choice of fiancé and from what you've shared, you did beautifully in that department. Make your engagement about him and your plans to marry.

The ring you selected, until you started reading blogs, forums, etc., was beautiful in your eyes. I have had 4 different diamond engagement rings which included a 60/60 type diamond. My third engagement ring was lost. Yes, that was some real angst..

My current diamond was the replacement for the lost, over 2ct diamond and I was out of state for 6 months at the time. The insurer required that I replace the diamond with the jeweler from which it was purchase. What a nightmare, so I started researching on the internet and found Pricescope and read as fast as I could. I told the jeweler that the stone I wanted this time needed to have an excellent cut but I didn't provide the parameters. The jeweler brought in four diamonds and called me to explain and describe them to me. OMG, how to decide from his descriptions and he called me the next day to advise me to hurry up and make a decision. He couldn't hold all those expensive stones that long and someone else was interested in one of them. I asked which one he would buy for his wife and he said they were all beautiful but then said there was one he would chose. That's how I chose that diamond and he shipped it to me in a temporary white gold setting. I never went back to him again. High pressure at a moment like that when I was still reeling from the loss of my ring was ridiculous.

I wasn't excited at all when I viewed the new ring in the shaded house and then walked out into the sun, nothing exciting there either. I was rather numb from the whole situation but wore it that night when we were together with friends and there were LED lights above us. It was a theatrical show from the ring, as our friends commented and I'm enjoying it to this day but I often think of the second diamond I had, 1ct and a 60/60 type. I always thought there was something about that ring that I missed and after a period of time, realized it was the fact that it was always "on".

Hug your ever patient fiancé and celebrate your beautiful engagement ring. For your 1st anniversary you can request a diamond pendant or earrings with a diamond(s) of the other flavor and then you can enjoy both types.

Best wishes to both of you!
 
There is NOTHING wrong with a well cut, great color, excellent clarity 60/60 ring--they are cut for BALANCE between white light and sparkle (colored light). Lots of folks have them, are happy with them. Ideal and Super Ideal cut diamonds are much more recent 'cuts' than 60/60 diamonds.

It is like the comparison between steak and chicken. Some folks like chicken, others prefer steak. There is also a price difference between those two!

Please don't feel you have an inferior diamond--you don't. You just have a different flavor diamond. If an ideal or super ideal is your 'dream', perhaps save up and get a smaller size and use it as a pendant.
 
Hi,
Thank you for such a thoughtful and warm reply. You are absolutely correct in that I have totally missed the mark with this - the angst of the diamond has taken over the engagement (which we haven’t officially announced yet) so I’m hoping that by the time we do that I can stop obsessing over this!

Like you I also felt quite pressured into the sale - but I also thought how long should I look for and how many different diamond shops am I going to walk around? Online vendors didn’t even enter my head and I still do think importing from the US to UK may be more difficult with taxes especially if I decided to return it!

I’ve never seen a SIC in real life - so it’s not my dream as I don’t even know what one looks like which is even more silly.

If my partner had chosen this diamond on his own I wouldn’t have questioned it at all I would have been thrilled - it’s more than I ever expected and never in my life did I think I would own something like this.

Again my partner thinks the worry over overpaying is silly - his view is it hasn’t caused us hardship move on. But yet here I am!

I'm a bit of an older woman so I'll share my perspective on diamonds and life. Relax and if it makes the diamond angst any better, forget the diamond and wear a simple gold wedding band.

The most important decision you will make regarding this engagement is your choice of fiancé and from what you've shared, you did beautifully in that department. Make your engagement about him and your plans to marry.

The ring you selected, until you started reading blogs, forums, etc., was beautiful in your eyes. I have had 4 different diamond engagement rings which included a 60/60 type diamond. My third engagement ring was lost. Yes, that was some real angst..

My current diamond was the replacement for the lost, over 2ct diamond and I was out of state for 6 months at the time. The insurer required that I replace the diamond with the jeweler from which it was purchase. What a nightmare, so I started researching on the internet and found Pricescope and read as fast as I could. I told the jeweler that the stone I wanted this time needed to have an excellent cut but I didn't provide the parameters. The jeweler brought in four diamonds and called me to explain and describe them to me. OMG, how to decide from his descriptions and he called me the next day to advise me to hurry up and make a decision. He couldn't hold all those expensive stones that long and someone else was interested in one of them. I asked which one he would buy for his wife and he said they were all beautiful but then said there was one he would chose. That's how I chose that diamond and he shipped it to me in a temporary white gold setting. I never went back to him again. High pressure at a moment like that when I was still reeling from the loss of my ring was ridiculous.

I wasn't excited at all when I viewed the new ring in the shaded house and then walked out into the sun, nothing exciting there either. I was rather numb from the whole situation but wore it that night when we were together with friends and there were LED lights above us. It was a theatrical show from the ring, as our friends commented and I'm enjoying it to this day but I often think of the second diamond I had, 1ct and a 60/60 type. I always thought there was something about that ring that I missed and after a period of time, realized it was the fact that it was always "on".

Hug your ever patient fiancé and celebrate your beautiful engagement ring. For your 1st anniversary you can request a diamond pendant or earrings with a diamond(s) of the other flavor and then you can enjoy both types.

Best wishes to both of you!
 
Thank you! I guess this is where I’m coming from - is it inferior even to other diamonds not super ideal but with different proportions? I have never seen a SIC in real life - I’m getting hung up on something I haven’t even seen because other people say it’s better!


There is NOTHING wrong with a well cut, great color, excellent clarity 60/60 ring--they are cut for BALANCE between white light and sparkle (colored light). Lots of folks have them, are happy with them. Ideal and Super Ideal cut diamonds are much more recent 'cuts' than 60/60 diamonds.

It is like the comparison between steak and chicken. Some folks like chicken, others prefer steak. There is also a price difference between those two!

Please don't feel you have an inferior diamond--you don't. You just have a different flavor diamond. If an ideal or super ideal is your 'dream', perhaps save up and get a smaller size and use it as a pendant.
 
Cool idea - I think at this point my finance would have a heart attack if I suggested buying anything else ha! But definitely something to think about! I never considered a warm diamond before either.

Some people today are rediscovering the Old Cuts (they are starting to make lab knock offs now)
Perhaps you should get # 2 ring w/ a warm OEC small table high crown set in Yellow gold.
Wear your "best in class" 60 during the day and at bright night events and take out the "Candlelight Cape" for dim lit Evenings..."

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You have a huge, clean, colorless diamond. It's an excellent example of its type of cut. It looks beautiful, bright, and sparkly to you. You've never seen the diamonds you're comparing it to. You might not like them better if you did. You might not like them at all. They would be smaller and less bright than yours. All diamonds have SOME colorful sparkles (fire), and I bet yours does too, even if a different type of diamond might have more.

The only reason you're unhappy with this diamond is that some strangers on the internet prefer a different type of diamond and were rude about it.

Making a large purchase and taking a big personal step (marriage) is enough to unnerve anyone. Are you sure you're really upset about the diamond, which sounds like something to celebrate? Could you instead be unnerved because big changes are going on in your life?
 
A super ideal isn't better - it's different. You mentioned you haven't announced your engagement yet. You also said you're in the UK - I can absolutely guarantee that not one single person is going to say anything other "OMG! That's huge!" When they see your bright, beautiful diamond.
 
Hi and these are all things I know! So I don’t know why I’m finding it so hard to move on!

A super ideal isn't better - it's different. You mentioned you haven't announced your engagement yet. You also said you're in the UK - I can absolutely guarantee that not one single person is going to say anything other "OMG! That's huge!" When they see your bright, beautiful diamond.
 
Hi

Extremely rational and fair…much more so than I’m being ha!

Yes there may be some truth in what you’re saying - I struggle generally with large purchases if they’re not for something that is an investment ie a house! For comparison I bought a designer handbag and agonised over that for weeks! It’s just clearly a ridiculous personality trait I have!

You have a huge, clean, colorless diamond. It's an excellent example of its type of cut. It looks beautiful, bright, and sparkly to you. You've never seen the diamonds you're comparing it to. You might not like them better if you did. You might not like them at all. They would be smaller and less bright than yours. All diamonds have SOME colorful sparkles (fire), and I bet yours does too, even if a different type of diamond might have more.

The only reason you're unhappy with this diamond is that some strangers on the internet prefer a different type of diamond and were rude about it.

Making a large purchase and taking a big personal step (marriage) is enough to unnerve anyone. Are you sure you're really upset about the diamond, which sounds like something to celebrate? Could you instead be unnerved because big changes are going on in your life?
 
Perhaps you just need to see more well cut diamonds in person to see how yours compare? Maybe visit some hearts on fire dealers to see if they have some in stock? Brands like Tiffany/Graff/Cartier also have well cut rounds that cover a range of proportions from 60/60 to super ideals. Just make sure your diamond is clean before any comparison. I think you’ll be surprised with how nuanced the differences are.
 
Hi all
Just an update as you’ve all been so helpful… I went to the shop today and compared mine to a more ideal cut stone - not SIC but more to ideal proportions. I could see a very small difference - the table looked a little less flat to me but I couldn’t see a difference in terms of more sparkle and the difference in flatness didn’t bother me enough to want to go through the process again. He also showed me an old European cut which I believe has LOTS of fire and I could see a difference with the immediate sparkle and fire when held next to each other but again not enough to really be adamant I wanted that. Don’t get me wrong the old European was beautiful but definitely a different kind of beautiful - more of a vintage charm.

ANYWAY I now feel I’m not ‘missing out’ it’s just a different flavour as you have all said. After comparing it to a 2ct I now also know how important the size is to me - I like big!

I really like the suggestion of getting a warm old European at some point - I think that would actually draw my eye more than a SIC
 
Oh also I went into M&S as someone advised - their fake jewellery is very sparkly! I put my ring next to it and in the same lighting I couldn’t see much of a difference - maybe a warmer so to speak sparkle from the M&S
 
Oh also I went into M&S as someone advised - their fake jewellery is very sparkly! I put my ring next to it and in the same lighting I couldn’t see much of a difference - maybe a warmer so to speak sparkle from the M&S

I'm glad to hear you made that particular comparison and I hope it has put your mind at rest. Now go enjoy being engaged :-)
 
Your ring looks lovely and large! Congratulations on finding it and your fiance!

I think you are more peaceful now about your ring so you may not need to hear it, but honestly 60-60 is my preference with diamonds; and I’m not the only one who thinks that way. I love big and bright and always on! You have a stone with complimentary angles and that’s what matters when picking ANY flavour of cut. The actual differences are minor on a daily basis for most people honestly. Size and colour are things you immediately notice on a daily basis and I personally like to optimise for those once a general base level of good cut has been achieved.

I promise you that no one else unless they have expert knowledge or a very discerning eye would even notice these differences on a regular basis. I would just enjoy the lovely ring you have!
 
Hi!
Thank you for such a lovely response…and honestly the more reassurance I can get the better I have made peace kinda ha in the sense that my mind spirals over lots of things so hopefully this one is done!


Your ring looks lovely and large! Congratulations on finding it and your fiance!

I think you are more peaceful now about your ring so you may not need to hear it, but honestly 60-60 is my preference with diamonds; and I’m not the only one who thinks that way. I love big and bright and always on! You have a stone with complimentary angles and that’s what matters when picking ANY flavour of cut. The actual differences are minor on a daily basis for most people honestly. Size and colour are things you immediately notice on a daily basis and I personally like to optimise for those once a general base level of good cut has been achieved.

I promise you that no one else unless they have expert knowledge or a very discerning eye would even notice these differences on a regular basis. I would just enjoy the lovely ring you have!
 
Hi!
Thank you for such a lovely response…and honestly the more reassurance I can get the better I have made peace kinda ha in the sense that my mind spirals over lots of things so hopefully this one is done!

To be honest I have a friend whose husband bought her a super ideal (I don’t remember which one of the super ideal vendors it was) and while of course she was very happy she did privately confess to me that she wished he would have gotten her a non super ideal, bit lower colour, and bigger stone; because she couldn’t see much difference between hers and other friends’s rings in terms of cut quality but the size stood out to her. I’ll be completely honest and say that while there’s a difference, there isn’t THAT much of a difference. At least not to me, in normal everyday life conditions.

That’s not to say that super ideals aren’t stunning or that cut isn’t important. Just that it matters more or less to people than you’d think.
 
Choosing a diamond can be an emotional rollercoaster! And that is an indication of how special and meaningful they are to so many people. Second guessing oneself is actually very common. Because there is always the possibility of something better out there.

There was a long period of time in the recent past where "60/60" was a sort of shorthand for a well cut diamond. This was of course a little simplistic because there are various ways you can arrive at a 60 table and 60 depth, but the point is a huge number of the diamonds out there are in this general proportion range. And a huge number of people have loved owning them. They can be spready, very bright, and very impressive. Especially in a 2.50ct size!!

The main thing you give up in a well cut 60/60 is some fire. The shallower crown will not produce as many colored sparkles (but it will produce some). Most of the sparkles will be white. And the thing about fire (as magical as it can be) is that not all lighting environments are conducive to observing it. In many environments most of the sparkles will be white anyway. So, in the cost/benefit analysis there is a debate to be had. And like so many such debates, it really depends on what is most important to the buyer.
 
Hi
Thank you so much, it’s reassuring when I hear ‘real life’ stories because I don’t know anyone who has a comparable diamond to discuss or compare to! It really is the fear of missing out for me but missing out on something I actually haven’t even seen!

To be honest I have a friend whose husband bought her a super ideal (I don’t remember which one of the super ideal vendors it was) and while of course she was very happy she did privately confess to me that she wished he would have gotten her a non super ideal, bit lower colour, and bigger stone; because she couldn’t see much difference between hers and other friends’s rings in terms of cut quality but the size stood out to her. I’ll be completely honest and say that while there’s a difference, there isn’t THAT much of a difference. At least not to me, in normal everyday life conditions.

That’s not to say that super ideals aren’t stunning or that cut isn’t important. Just that it matters more or less to people than you’d think.
 
Hi
Thank you for your reply! For me it was very much not having the option to compare it to a more ideal or even a SIC diamond - as you can imagine it was a big purchase and I feel a little silly I went into it with not much knowledge! I guess I was worried I’d been intentionally sold a diamond no one else would want - but that seems more and more less likely

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Choosing a diamond can be an emotional rollercoaster! And that is an indication of how special and meaningful they are to so many people. Second guessing oneself is actually very common. Because there is always the possibility of something better out there.

There was a long period of time in the recent past where "60/60" was a sort of shorthand for a well cut diamond. This was of course a little simplistic because there are various ways you can arrive at a 60 table and 60 depth, but the point is a huge number of the diamonds out there are in this general proportion range. And a huge number of people have loved owning them. They can be spready, very bright, and very impressive. Especially in a 2.50ct size!!

The main thing you give up in a well cut 60/60 is some fire. The shallower crown will not produce as many colored sparkles (but it will produce some). Most of the sparkles will be white. And the thing about fire (as magical as it can be) is that not all lighting environments are conducive to observing it. In many environments most of the sparkles will be white anyway. So, in the cost/benefit analysis there is a debate to be had. And like so many such debates, it really depends on what is most important to the buyer.
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