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Diamond from early 50''''''''s, likely OEC or RB??

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firebirdgold

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Hi, wanted to ask the diamond experts out there a question.


I was just back at a local store with some antique rings looking (again) at a .35 GVS from the early 50''''s. First time I went they said it was a RB, this time the jewelry designer hanging out there said it was an OEC. Was OEC still the most common cut back then? Or is it more likely a well cut RB?


The reason I''''m asking is because I thought it was the prettiest diamond I''''d see all day, very white and sparkly. So I want to determine if I have a strong preference for OEC''''s or if I like the modern look and would love an ideal cut. It''''d make a huge difference it ring choices, obviously.

One of these days I''''m going to have to see an ideal in person. But I think the nearest store that has them is well over an hour away, and I haven''''t thought up a good excuse to go to that city yet.
 

diagem

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1950''s???

Probably RB...

But how do you know its from the 50''s

If this stone was cut around the 1900''s it would surely be a OEC.


Good Luck
 

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Date: 2/28/2006 3:26:45 PM
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One of these days I''m going to have to see an ideal in person. But I think the nearest store that has them is well over an hour away, and I haven''t thought up a good excuse to go to that city yet.
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let me know when you think of something
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It could be an older diamond set in a more recent setting - so if the ring is from around 1950, this doesn''t say much about the stone.

There sure are ideal proportions befitting the OEC cut (i.e. the shorter lower girdle and larger star facets on the same facet pattern as the modern brilliant). And lucky you if you do have a stone like that! To me, they are way nicer than the modern.

If I am not mistakin'' Tolkowshy''s ideal was meant for this sort of cut - the diamond model in the legendary paper must have been talking about oEC in 1919. I don''t think that played allot in the actual optimization model though - so I am not going to say that the results apply better to OEC than modern round brilliant proportions
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Anyway, this seemed like the chat to make the point
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An ''ideal'' OEC is quite a rare bird! definitely worth looking out for though. If you are not in a hurry ...

Just an idea.
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Date: 2/28/2006 3:30:24 PM
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1950''s???


Probably RB...


But how do you know its from the 50''s

Well, A) They said so... not that I believe anything coming out of their mouths after they tell me a vintage 14k wg wih a .35 GVS1 is a ''really good deal'' for $2600. (sticker price $2800). Not to mention the conflicting answers I get whenever I go in. I also distrust a place when someone is unwilling to give me a price w/o first checking what price the other salesperson gave me. I just don''t think a fancy store like that should have ''soft'' prices.
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and B) It does look Retro-Moderne with the diamond set in a low boxy setting, and the ring shoulders are sleek, architectural, and unadorned. (no pave). And I believe that style was most popluar in the 50''s. Not that I''m an expert or anything!
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And so far the best excuse I can think of is a desire to go to the Asian market down there.
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firebirdgold

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Date: 2/28/2006 3:42:49 PM
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It could be an older diamond set in a more recent setting - so if the ring is from around 1950, this doesn''t say much about the stone.
Hadn''t thought of that!

There sure are ideal proportions befitting the OEC cut (i.e. the shorter lower girdle and larger star facets on the same facet pattern as the modern brilliant). And lucky you if you do have a stone like that! To me, they are way nicer than the modern.


If I am not mistakin'' Tolkowshy''s ideal was meant for this sort of cut - the diamond model in the legendary paper must have been talking about oEC in 1919. I don''t think that played allot in the actual optimization model though - so I am not going to say that the results apply better to OEC than modern round brilliant proportions
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Anyway, this seemed like the chat to make the point
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An ''ideal'' OEC is quite a rare bird! definitely worth looking out for though. If you are not in a hurry ...


Just an idea.
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Sounds a bit complicated to convey to the bf.
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But well worth investigating further. I''ve got a month before he''s free enough to start looking seriously, so I should have enough time to go test-drive lots more rings.
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So far my observations have turned up that I really do prefer 1/3 carats in simpler settings. And that, rather worrisomely, I just don''t care for 99.9% of the diamonds I see. But that could just be the average cut quality of most diamonds around here.
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wren,
a good place to see a well cut diamond is hof. do you have any dealers there?
 

firebirdgold

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52 miles, to be exact. Sounds like I have developed a burning desire for authentic asian food supplies.
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belle

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Date: 2/28/2006 4:12:28 PM
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52 miles, to be exact. Sounds like I have developed a burning desire for authentic asian food supplies.
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guess we''ll have to cook something up
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I had that problem too when I first came on PS.
Old European Cut. It''s kinda what predated the modern round brilliant cut (RB). You find them in antique rings from the 20''s and 30''s. I think I remember someone saying in a post that OEC''s are still being made in small numbers.
 

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Date: 2/28/2006 7:35:44 PM
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I had that problem too when I first came on PS.
Old European Cut. It''s kinda what predated the modern round brilliant cut (RB). You find them in antique rings from the 20''s and 30''s. I think I remember someone saying in a post that OEC''s are still being made in small numbers.
And.....OMC=Old Mine Cut. Be aware that it is common for some jewelers to interchange OMC and OEC or even use the term "transitional cut."
I see more OEC diamonds in my daily work overall than OMC. Many are dazzlers!

www.metrojewelryappraisers.com
 
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