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KennyPowers

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Hi all,

I am getting engaged soon, and have a budget of around 20k plus or minus around 3k.

She hasn't asked for any size in particular (think she is hoping for 1.5+), but she tried on a ring that was 2ct at DeBeers and was extremely excited. Fortunately, she doesn't think that a stone of that size is anywhere in our price range so she should be surprised :cheeky:

Anyway, I have been trolling the main online sites (with return policies) looking for the following

-2 carat plus round
-ideal cut
-ideal symmetry / polish
-I color or better
-VS2 or better

I recently read about the HCA tool, and I found one stone that graded out at 1.1, which apparently is great (while still meeting the rest of the criteria). Id like to list all the details and the price, and would love a recommendation on this stone and the price from the more experienced members. I have limited knowledge here, so your feedback is invaluable to me.

GIA cert

2.21 Carat
I
VS2
Ideal/Excellent symmetry
Ideal/Excellent Polish
Depth : 59%
Table : 60%
Crown : 33 degree
Pavillion : 41 degree
Medium / thin girdle
No cutlet
HCA 1.1
Price : 21k

Thoughts? Thank you all so much :)
 
Could be a very nice stone but bear in mind it is a 60/60 style stone meaning that the depth and table are both in the 60% range. Nothing wrong with this but it's a different look than today's ideal cut stone. You would generally get more brilliance and less fire with a stone of this cut.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.23-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-269868

Here's a stone with similar specs although it's an H instead of an I color. It is graded by AGS so the specs are what they measure. GIA rounds their numbers of they may or not be exact.
 
MissGotRocks|1401148824|3680612 said:
Could be a very nice stone but bear in mind it is a 60/60 style stone meaning that the depth and table are both in the 60% range. Nothing wrong with this but it's a different look than today's ideal cut stone. You would generally get more brilliance and less fire with a stone of this cut.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.23-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-269868

Here's a stone with similar specs although it's an H instead of an I color. It is graded by AGS so the specs are what they measure. GIA rounds their numbers of they may or not be exact.
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Could you explain a little more the difference between this style cut and a more modern cut?

What does brilliance vs fire entail?

Also, do you think the h is worth it over the I?

Thanks for the super fast reply!
 
I had edited my post to include more information and then the site went down and it was all lost!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3033760.htm?source=pricescope

Take a look at this stone and it's numbers. The depth is over 60 and the crown is below 60. Ideally, you'd be looking at stones with a 54-57 table, 34-35 crown angle, 40.6-40.9 pavilion angle and total depth of 60.5 to 62.3. Guidelines for a promising ideal cut stone.

Brilliance is the white light a stone emits and fire is the colored flashes of light. An ideal cut stone gives you a balance of both. A well cut 60/60 stone will too but it will probably have more white light than fire. An H color stone costs more than an I colored stone. Depends on how color sensitive you are. Have you seen any stones in person? That's probably the best way for you to determine your color preference or limitation. It would be wonderful if you could view some ideal cut stones in person as well.

The stone I posted here from Whiteflash is from their Expert Selection line. Their top of the line branded cuts are called A Cut Above. The Expert Selection stones just miss the ACA designation by small nuances in the stone. They can be great values. You can see from the diamond listing that they provide you with IdealScope images as well as ASET pictures. You can go to their website and input any size, color and clarity that you prefer and see what they have in stock. It's a starting point and these stones in their A Cut Above and Expert Selection lines produce optimal light performing stones.

This is just an example from one vendor. There are many PS vendors including but not limited to Good Old Gold, Crafted by Infinity, and Engagement Rings Direct. Any of the vendors here would be more than happy to help you find a stone - and with no pressure to buy.
 
Hi Kenny and welcome!

MGR gave you some great advice! The stone you originally posted might be a good choice certainly, but we would need an image such as Idealscope to see how well all the proportions work together, see if the vendor could provide one. MGR's selections could also be excellent contenders, check that the Whiteflash diamond is eye clean to your specifications if interested. You have a super budget and you will end up with a fantastic diamond.
 
I wouldnt get hung up on ideal polish. You wont notice any difference with your eyes between very good/excellent/ideal for polish. I dont think the polish makes a significant difference in price, but dont be put off from an excellent candidate stone because it doesnt have ideal polish.

As for colour, I would check the preferences from the missus and have a look at a few colours. As stated on another thread, Tiffanys is a great place to get fantastic customer service and look at various stones without feeling bad about not buying from them. May be helpful to bring a lint free cloth to have a quick clean though from the comments re nasty fingerprints etc.

You may also want to consider how much of the stone will be exposed as if you are intending to show a side profile of the ring in a high 4 prong setting, you will be able to see slightly more colour from the side than face down. If its going into a classic 6 prong setting, I think its much less of an issue. You may also find that this does not matter/bother you.

My personal preference for a stone approahcing 2 carats would be to go for G+ as stones show more colour as you go up in size (smaller stones tend to look whiter anyway). The reason being that I is where you start to see a hint of warmth, and you may still see some in a low H. You cant tell from the grading report if its a low, med or high H.

If you get a G though, you know you pretty much wont see any colour at all. Some super sensitive people may see colour in a G (I am not one of them). From G and up, unless you put the stones upside down in a lab setting on white background next to E/D, I wouldnt be able to tell a difference at all or that the G was not the clearest colour possible.

Notwithstanding the above, some people prefer a slightly warmer colour because then it looks more like a "real" diamond, compared to if you get a super colourless diamond, because then people may assume its a CZ. Again, this may not bother you at all anyway.

The most important thing is to get the best cut so it maximises its brilliance/fire.

Modern RB (thinking Solasfera/eightfinity/star 129) tend to have more pinfire, and less large flashes of light. This is because they have more facets and the reflections are smaller. As such, they have more sparkles, but the sparkles are smaller. In my mind, the 60/60 cuts are similar in this regard because the contrast arrows on the face are narrowers, so the sparkles are a bit smaller.

I prefer the more traditional TIC cut where the arrows are abit fatter and the table is betwen 54-56 with table 60-62. Less flashes, but bigger in size.

As for fire, there are numerous threads going around on crown angles and what not. I cant say i have observed a huge difference in fire with difference crown angles, but I was not looking for those at the time either, or explicitly comparing like for like with the only variable being the crown angle. I am not aware that 60/60 tend to have more brilliance and less fire, or vice versa compared to a TIC.

Get info on preferences from your significant other and consider for a long time before dropping 20k is my advice.
 
Thanks a lot for the great feedback so far!

Couple comments, some of you asked for some more detailed info on what my GF/I are looking for, so let me provide some background.

We looked at Tiffanies and had a poor experience. Poor selection, and just didn't like the vibe there. We did go to DeBeers and had a much better experience. She likes a relatively low setting (no cathedral) and a simple / thin band. She liked a classic 6 prong (but could go for 4 prong) setting with no halo or anything. She is very small and has a size 4.25 finger.

We looked at some stones at DeBeers that were G and the larger 2 carat stone she loved was a J and SI1 (they also claimed ideal cut). Honestly, neither one of us could tell a difference, and the stone looked incredible in the store. That said, from reading it seems like an I is a safer bet at this size.

She doesn't know anything about diamonds (way less than I do) and completely trusts me to choose what is best. Basically I just want the very best I can afford for her. I want it to be the highest quality I can afford while still being 2+ carat (since this is what is her dream size, and I think that within my budget I can find a high quality stone in this size).

I am fortunate to be in Houston and will contact Whiteflash here to set up an appointment to look at some in person. But I am wary of this due to the fancy lighting a lot of these stores have.

I guess im a little confused why if the stone I posted has great specs on GIA and the HCA, it may not be a great choice? What does the idealscope show that you cant tell from its dimensions?

It seems like having an idealscope image is essential, if so, I guess I will throw bluenile out the window and go from there.

One other question would be, would it be a bad idea to buy such a stone from bluenile and have it locally appraised and run through an idealscope (if I can find a shop who can do this) and return it if the results are poor?

Thanks guys. Im not looking to get engaged for another couple months, but have the funds now and if I find a great deal, im ready to take it.
 
KennyPowers|1401198081|3680886 said:
Thanks a lot for the great feedback so far!

Couple comments, some of you asked for some more detailed info on what my GF/I are looking for, so let me provide some background.

We looked at Tiffanies and had a poor experience. Poor selection, and just didn't like the vibe there. We did go to DeBeers and had a much better experience. She likes a relatively low setting (no cathedral) and a simple / thin band. She liked a classic 6 prong (but could go for 4 prong) setting with no halo or anything. She is very small and has a size 4.25 finger.

We looked at some stones at DeBeers that were G and the larger 2 carat stone she loved was a J and SI1 (they also claimed ideal cut). Honestly, neither one of us could tell a difference, and the stone looked incredible in the store. That said, from reading it seems like an I is a safer bet at this size.

She doesn't know anything about diamonds (way less than I do) and completely trusts me to choose what is best. Basically I just want the very best I can afford for her. I want it to be the highest quality I can afford while still being 2+ carat (since this is what is her dream size, and I think that within my budget I can find a high quality stone in this size).

I am fortunate to be in Houston and will contact Whiteflash here to set up an appointment to look at some in person. But I am wary of this due to the fancy lighting a lot of these stores have.

I guess im a little confused why if the stone I posted has great specs on GIA and the HCA, it may not be a great choice? What does the idealscope show that you cant tell from its dimensions?

It seems like having an idealscope image is essential, if so, I guess I will throw bluenile out the window and go from there.

One other question would be, would it be a bad idea to buy such a stone from bluenile and have it locally appraised and run through an idealscope (if I can find a shop who can do this) and return it if the results are poor?

Thanks guys. Im not looking to get engaged for another couple months, but have the funds now and if I find a great deal, im ready to take it.
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Whiteflash would definitely be well worth a visit, they have an excellent rep and won't mislead you. As you are in TX, you could also contact John Pollard from Crafted by Infinity - http://www.infinitydiamonds.be/ Although Texas is a big area, it might be possible to work with John to see what he can come up with as he is also from that state.

Basically although a diamond has great proportions and a good HCA score ( bear in mind the HCA is for rejection, not selection), much of the beauty of the diamond can be dependent on various factors such as the overall cutting precision, proportion variances, the list goes on. On paper, this looks to be a stone well worth considering, but the proof of the pudding has to come from an image and your own eyes knowing what to look for. That's why I suggested ordering an Idealscope or ASET scope as one of these tools would be an excellent supplement to your own eyes, a reflector scope will tell you a lot more about the light return of the stone than if you aren't used to comparing diamonds, they can all look good!

You could certainly take the BN diamond to a local appraiser that also is skilled in evaluating cut quality, that way you would have a much better idea. I will post an appraiser listing for you so you can find one in your area, there are some in Houston, see here.

https://www.pricescope.com/appraisers/texas

I think you have the right approach, if you find a diamond you like now, there is no sense in waiting, but you have time to really research and find the best diamond for your budget.
 
HCA uses average values.

GIA report also rounds the average values.

As a result, you get an approximation of the diamond without the raw data per angle.

The idealscope will tell you if the diamond is leaking light on one side of the diamond for example, which may be hidden within the HCA. This is why HCA is a rejection tool and not a selection tool. If all diamonds came with an idealscope, you wouldnt really need HCA as a consumer.

Bluenile have a good returns policy, but to get the diamond, get it appriased (costs money), and ship it off for a refund and wait for funds to be remitted, is a bit of a hassle. In the interim, you may not have money to buy another stone (cashflow permitting) and miss out on a great opportunity.

Is the 2 carat thing a mental thing, or do you want something approximately that size?

Prices go up a bit for hitting the magic 2 carat weight, so you may also want to consider a 1.9 carat stone will may look just as big or bigger, if it has a better cut. https://www.pricescope.com/diamond-prices/round#range8
A more brilliant stone appears larger due to the optical effect, when compared to a dull stone which doesnt appear to spread out.

If you go to whiteflash, be sure to mention you are a pricescope member so the prices you are shown are correct.
 
proto|1401199300|3680894 said:
HCA uses average values.

GIA report also rounds the average values.

As a result, you get an approximation of the diamond without the raw data per angle.

The idealscope will tell you if the diamond is leaking light on one side of the diamond for example, which may be hidden within the HCA. This is why HCA is a rejection tool and not a selection tool. If all diamonds came with an idealscope, you wouldnt really need HCA as a consumer.

Bluenile have a good returns policy, but to get the diamond, get it appriased (costs money), and ship it off for a refund and wait for funds to be remitted, is a bit of a hassle. In the interim, you may not have money to buy another stone (cashflow permitting) and miss out on a great opportunity.

Is the 2 carat thing a mental thing, or do you want something approximately that size?

Prices go up a bit for hitting the magic 2 carat weight, so you may also want to consider a 1.9 carat stone will may look just as big or bigger, if it has a better cut. https://www.pricescope.com/diamond-prices/round#range8
A more brilliant stone appears larger due to the optical effect, when compared to a dull stone which doesnt appear to spread out.

If you go to whiteflash, be sure to mention you are a pricescope member so the prices you are shown are correct.
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Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

I have scheduled an appointment with whiteflash, and have a couple stones that I want to see in person.

2 is really just a benchmark for me, its something that I am fortunate to afford. Also due to cultural reasons, is something that probably does matter (no need to get into this further).

Seems like the 60/60 style cut on this stone isn't exactly what everyone would recommend, so I will continue the search.

I do like the H and A style stones, I saw a couple Good old gold videos on youtube that showed some stunning H and A diamonds.

Thanks, and any other feedback is welcome. I feel ill informed about diamonds still, so im doing the best I can learning.

On a sidenote, I did do a bunch of comparisons where I took AGL rated diamonds that had image photos and plugged the specs into the HCA calculator. Every time the quality of the image was directly reflected in the HCA grade. Pretty cool stuff :)
 
MissGotRocks|1401150630|3680632 said:
I had edited my post to include more information and then the site went down and it was all lost!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3033760.htm?source=pricescope

Take a look at this stone and it's numbers. The depth is over 60 and the crown is below 60. Ideally, you'd be looking at stones with a 54-57 table, 34-35 crown angle, 40.6-40.9 pavilion angle and total depth of 60.5 to 62.3. Guidelines for a promising ideal cut stone.

Brilliance is the white light a stone emits and fire is the colored flashes of light. An ideal cut stone gives you a balance of both. A well cut 60/60 stone will too but it will probably have more white light than fire. An H color stone costs more than an I colored stone. Depends on how color sensitive you are. Have you seen any stones in person? That's probably the best way for you to determine your color preference or limitation. It would be wonderful if you could view some ideal cut stones in person as well.

The stone I posted here from Whiteflash is from their Expert Selection line. Their top of the line branded cuts are called A Cut Above. The Expert Selection stones just miss the ACA designation by small nuances in the stone. They can be great values. You can see from the diamond listing that they provide you with IdealScope images as well as ASET pictures. You can go to their website and input any size, color and clarity that you prefer and see what they have in stock. It's a starting point and these stones in their A Cut Above and Expert Selection lines produce optimal light performing stones.

This is just an example from one vendor. There are many PS vendors including but not limited to Good Old Gold, Crafted by Infinity, and Engagement Rings Direct. Any of the vendors here would be more than happy to help you find a stone - and with no pressure to buy.
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I saw this one in person and loved it. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on Monday, and got a small discount on it.

Loved the color and if just looked great in person.

Is this a good choice? Any others in the price range I'm overlooking?

Great service from whiteflash too! Great people
 
Kenny, if that's eye clean to your requirements, and I assume it was because you saw it in person, that could be an amazing stone and what a fab size too! I hope you were the one that reserved it.... :eek:
 
Lorelei|1401623490|3684295 said:
Kenny, if that's eye clean to your requirements, and I assume it was because you saw it in person, that could be an amazing stone and what a fab size too! I hope you were the one that reserved it.... :eek:
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Was hard to see any inclusions in person. When you flipped it over and looked from a certain angle u could see a small inclusion...

I liked the small difference in color compared to some other I stones we compared it too.

I also liked the size

And yes, it was me. We are working on a 22k price point. Do you recommend if at that price? I can't find any comparable stones at that price point that makes me want to pass on this. Plus their lifetime upgrade policy is really reassuring.
 
KennyPowers|1401623871|3684299 said:
Lorelei|1401623490|3684295 said:
Kenny, if that's eye clean to your requirements, and I assume it was because you saw it in person, that could be an amazing stone and what a fab size too! I hope you were the one that reserved it.... :eek:
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Was hard to see any inclusions in person. When you flipped it over and looked from a certain angle u could see a small inclusion...

I liked the small difference in color compared to some other I stones we compared it too.

I also liked the size

And yes, it was me. We are working on a 22k price point. Do you recommend if at that price? I can't find any comparable stones at that price point that makes me want to pass on this. Plus their lifetime upgrade policy is really reassuring.
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Thank goodness, you had me going there for a moment.... :mrgreen:

I had a look around and I am not finding anything similar in house for that price range. I always believe you buy the vendor as well as the stone, WF as well as many of the other popular vendors offer superb customer service and aftersales benefits packages, I think it could be a superb choice!
 
That will be perfect on her hand! I am a 4.25 and used to wear a 2.13 and it was perfect for my hand. Best of luck and come back with hand shots!
 
Oooweee that's a beautiful find and a great price tyty! Looks like a high I color.

I would also recommend being open to SI1's. It's a little more work to get a totally eye clean one, but they certainly are out there and give great savings to go up in color or carat.
 
Kenny, also before you pull the trigger, if you wish, you could contact Brian Gavin at www.briangavindiamonds.com as he is also in Houston, he might know of something to suit you, or also John at Infinity ( contact details in a post above), if you would like to make absolutely sure.
 
KennyPowers|1401623871|3684299 said:
Lorelei|1401623490|3684295 said:
Kenny, if that's eye clean to your requirements, and I assume it was because you saw it in person, that could be an amazing stone and what a fab size too! I hope you were the one that reserved it.... :eek:
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Was hard to see any inclusions in person. When you flipped it over and looked from a certain angle u could see a small inclusion...

I liked the small difference in color compared to some other I stones we compared it too.

I also liked the size

And yes, it was me. We are working on a 22k price point. Do you recommend if at that price? I can't find any comparable stones at that price point that makes me want to pass on this. Plus their lifetime upgrade policy is really reassuring.
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Glad you liked the stone - I bet it's stunning in person! If you liked the color, clarity and size it sounds like a winner. If you have doubts, you can always wait for other stones to come on the market - I don't know what your time frame is. Otherwise, I'd say it's a go. They do have a great upgrade policy so you can always change it out in the future if you find something you like better!
 
Hi Kenny, so jealous you got to actually sit down at WF and view stones, sounds amazingly cool! I was just wondering if you got to see some ACA's (A Cut Above) to compare to your Expert Selection stone? If so, how did the ACA's compare? Was there a noticeable difference to you or only super slight differences or no visible difference in cut quality to light play? I'm so curious about this as there are varying opinions and would love to throw your observations in the mix.
 
tyty333|1401630785|3684347 said:
I think that WF stone would be beautiful...

I'll post this stone from JA. Its and AGS000 but it is an SI1 and has a lot going on in it.
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.22-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-113269
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thanks!

that's certainly amazing value. only thing I see there is that I think I can see a lot of inclusions there, and the report shows a bunch :(

I think I would stick with the WF diamond over this based on the inclusions and color, but really great value!
 
Lorelei|1401632274|3684358 said:
Kenny, also before you pull the trigger, if you wish, you could contact Brian Gavin at www.briangavindiamonds.com as he is also in Houston, he might know of something to suit you, or also John at Infinity ( contact details in a post above), if you would like to make absolutely sure.
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thanks, I will have to contact infinity tomorrow

checking BG diamonds, the closest I could find is this.....

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.146-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703004#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/0/

which is 5k+ more expensive :( for what looks like a very similar, albeit a little smaller, stone?
 
luvdajules|1401633437|3684368 said:
Hi Kenny, so jealous you got to actually sit down at WF and view stones, sounds amazingly cool! I was just wondering if you got to see some ACA's (A Cut Above) to compare to your Expert Selection stone? If so, how did the ACA's compare? Was there a noticeable difference to you or only super slight differences or no visible difference in cut quality to light play? I'm so curious about this as there are varying opinions and would love to throw your observations in the mix.
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I saw a few of each, and saw some vs2 vs a couple si1, and then some H stones vs I stones

The clarity was the least important issue to me. You could see the inclusions on the SI if you put them face down and looked at the right spot, but they were very minor at best

The color was next, and you could tell under certain lighting the color difference between H and I. It wasn't enough for me to swear off I color stones, but the extra whiteness from the H made it "pop" a little more than the others all else being equal

All of the ones I looked at were Expert Selection with 1 ACA. I couldn't tell the difference, all of them looked incredible. They were all H&A style cuts. For whatever reason this 2.17 Si1 H stone stood out to me. Hard to know if it was the color or the cut or what, but it just caught my eye

Its more than I wanted to spend by just a little bit, but I wanna do it right

Plus, WF has great service and an excellent upgrade service should I find something in between now and the time I plan to propose (few months away due to some scheduling conflicts), so I feel very comfortable.

Still trying to spend a little time (have a little free time today) to check places like Ritani, JA, GOG, WF website to make sure this is the best choice, so any other recommendations are really helpful!

Plus any analysis on whether this stone is a good deal or not.

:bigsmile:
 
 
KennyPowers|1401646608|3684458 said:
Lorelei|1401632274|3684358 said:
Kenny, also before you pull the trigger, if you wish, you could contact Brian Gavin at www.briangavindiamonds.com as he is also in Houston, he might know of something to suit you, or also John at Infinity ( contact details in a post above), if you would like to make absolutely sure.
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thanks, I will have to contact infinity tomorrow

checking BG diamonds, the closest I could find is this.....

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.146-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703004#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/0/

which is 5k+ more expensive :( for what looks like a very similar, albeit a little smaller, stone?
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The BG is a gorgeous diamond but for me, the WF diamond is the front runner, plus you know it is eye clean so you are comfortable in that respect and you have seen it in person, that counts for a lot. Plus if you ever wanted to upgrade, as you mentioned you might do check the terms and conditions of each vendor and factor that in to your decision before purchase.
 
Lorelei|1401650720|3684492 said:
KennyPowers|1401646608|3684458 said:
Lorelei|1401632274|3684358 said:
Kenny, also before you pull the trigger, if you wish, you could contact Brian Gavin at www.briangavindiamonds.com as he is also in Houston, he might know of something to suit you, or also John at Infinity ( contact details in a post above), if you would like to make absolutely sure.
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thanks, I will have to contact infinity tomorrow

checking BG diamonds, the closest I could find is this.....

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.146-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703004#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/0/

which is 5k+ more expensive :( for what looks like a very similar, albeit a little smaller, stone?
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The BG is a gorgeous diamond but for me, the WF diamond is the front runner, plus you know it is eye clean so you are comfortable in that respect and you have seen it in person, that counts for a lot. Plus if you ever wanted to upgrade, as you mentioned you might do check the terms and conditions of each vendor and factor that in to your decision before purchase.
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thanks, Lorelei!

I agree, im sold on this whiteflash diamond. Also scores a .8 on the HCA grading scale which makes me even more confident. I didn't want an SI stone originally, but after seeing it in person and realizing that if I am going to make sacrifices on size / cut / clarity / color, that clarity is a place where I can be a little less strict while getting exactly what I want in all other categories

Thanks to everyone here, I feel really good about the deal (well, as good as you can feel about spending 22000 dollars on something half the size of a dime!). thanks again, and hopefully I can seal the deal tomorrow with WF!
 
Kenny
Good luck on your selection process.
I am jumping in late. If you are going to WF, you should go to BGD, and deal with Leslie.
Brian used to work at WF before he and Leslie left and formed his own co. I think they are in the same building, not 100% sure. Brian was the genius behind WF ACA diamonds, so his Signature Series have to be top notch. Again, give Leslie a call.
 
Thanks, Kenny for giving your WF viewing observations! Very helpful and good luck to you!! Come back with photos and handshots. Do you know which setting? Sleek line Legato is a fave.
 
KennyPowers|1401653227|3684509 said:
Lorelei|1401650720|3684492 said:
KennyPowers|1401646608|3684458 said:
Lorelei|1401632274|3684358 said:
Kenny, also before you pull the trigger, if you wish, you could contact Brian Gavin at www.briangavindiamonds.com as he is also in Houston, he might know of something to suit you, or also John at Infinity ( contact details in a post above), if you would like to make absolutely sure.
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thanks, I will have to contact infinity tomorrow

checking BG diamonds, the closest I could find is this.....

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.146-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703004#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/0/

which is 5k+ more expensive :( for what looks like a very similar, albeit a little smaller, stone?
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The BG is a gorgeous diamond but for me, the WF diamond is the front runner, plus you know it is eye clean so you are comfortable in that respect and you have seen it in person, that counts for a lot. Plus if you ever wanted to upgrade, as you mentioned you might do check the terms and conditions of each vendor and factor that in to your decision before purchase.
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thanks, Lorelei!

I agree, im sold on this whiteflash diamond. Also scores a .8 on the HCA grading scale which makes me even more confident. I didn't want an SI stone originally, but after seeing it in person and realizing that if I am going to make sacrifices on size / cut / clarity / color, that clarity is a place where I can be a little less strict while getting exactly what I want in all other categories

Thanks to everyone here, I feel really good about the deal (well, as good as you can feel about spending 22000 dollars on something half the size of a dime!). thanks again, and hopefully I can seal the deal tomorrow with WF!
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Sounds like this diamond really ' spoke' to you Kenny, you have certainly done your homework and I personally don't think you can go wrong with this diamond, it comes down to a mix of size, cut and quality and I think this diamond has a good mix of everything plus a generous upgrade policy should you ever decide to do so. That you say you are ' sold' on the WF diamond I think is a really positive sign especially as you have seen it in person. Sleep on it tonight, maybe you can ' visit' with the diamond one more time before you do the deal just to be sure. You could see what Brian Gavin has or if he knows of anything in the pipeline but it comes down to if he does and when it's likely to be, plus you could lose this one.

I hope this helps and we will be all ears as to what happens!
 
Genius name. Just please tell me you dont plan on buying your kids a wolf one day. ;)

The whiteflash diamond looks awesome
 
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