David Klass CAD help

[Honeybasil]

I know I am posting so much about this, but DK sent me the first CAD drawings for my ring reset. I’m wondering if you could help me with anything you see as I have never done this before. First of all, my ring size needs to be changed as I got remeasured and told him the wrong size. I would also like the diamond to sit higher than the 6.3 mm he has drawn. The other photos are some inspiration pictures. Thanks for feedback!

 

[Honeybasil]

I know I am posting so much about this, but DK sent me the first CAD drawings for my ring reset. I’m wondering if you could help me with anything you see as I have never done this before. First of all, my ring size needs to be changed as I got remeasured and told him the wrong size. I would also like the diamond to sit higher than the 6.3 mm he has drawn. The other photos are some inspiration pictures. Thanks for feedback!

 

[tyty333]

I'm afraid you're going to have to tell us what you want your ring to look like. You have given us two pictures that have very different galleries.
Which one do you want your ring to look like? You have given us no direction. We could attempt to guess but it would help if you told us what
you wanted in a re-set. Do you have it documented in another thread? Give us a link if you do.

 

[Honeybasil]

I'm afraid you're going to have to tell us what you want your ring to look like. You have given us two pictures that have very different galleries.
Which one do you want your ring to look like? You have given us no direction. We could attempt to guess but it would help if you told us what
you wanted in a re-set. Do you have it documented in another thread? Give us a link if you do.

Sorry I didn’t explain very well. This is the first time I’ve done something like this, so I’m trying to figure out how to explain everything. I want the cushion halo with plain shank, but I want the diamond to sit up higher like in the two pictures I attached. I don’t want all of the diamonds on the sides and underneath - those were just examples of rings that I’ve seen in person where the diamond sits around 8 mm high.

 

[Honeybasil]

Do I just tell him to make the diamond sit around 8 mm? Will that design he gave me be able to be modified to do that or does it need something else to make it sit higher?

 

[Rfisher]

Yep. That simple.
You will need to scrutinize the revised CAD he sends you - just to make sure the changes don’t have other unintended consequences.

 

[Honeybasil]

Yep. That simple.
You will need to scrutinize the revised CAD he sends you - just to make sure the changes don’t have other unintended consequences.

Thanks! I feel like I’m overcomplicating it in my mind. I’m also on the fence about doing a double edge (diamonds on the side of the halo, not two rings around the diamond) halo instead of single like he has here.

 

[Honeybasil]

And how do the halo stone sizes look compared to my center stone? The right proportions?

 

[meely]

I think your diamonds look a bit on the larger side compared to the diamonds in the photos of the halo ring below David’s CAD.

 

[tyty333]

I would extend these triangles so it flows a little nicer (since you are not doing the engraving/diamonds in the gallery area like the Tacori ).

 

[sledge]

Hey @Honeybasil, just checking in on you. Also, wanted to drop a link to the thread when I designed my wife's ring. While there are many ways to communicate, this thread is full of various questions, markups, etc that may give you an idea how I communicated my ideas to DK. I'm a very visual person, so I tend to use sketches to help illustrate my thinking.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dk-bgd-custom-setting-the-home-stretch.240843/

 

[Honeybasil]

Hey @Honeybasil, just checking in on you. Also, wanted to drop a link to the thread when I designed my wife's ring. While there are many ways to communicate, this thread is full of various questions, markups, etc that may give you an idea how I communicated my ideas to DK. I'm a very visual person, so I tend to use sketches to help illustrate my thinking.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dk-bgd-custom-setting-the-home-stretch.240843/

Thanks! Will check this out. It’s a little intimidating to do this!

 

[Honeybasil]

I would extend these triangles so it flows a little nicer (since you are not doing the engraving/diamonds in the gallery area like the Tacori ).

Will that make that area look a little less bulky? I thought it kind of looked like it would be bulky the way he drew it.

 

[msop04]

If you want this proportion, then I'd go slightly smaller with the melee in the halo. Notice there are 5 diamonds across the top (not counting the corner stones)...

The CAD only shows three (5 if you include the corners)...

However, it really depends on what you like...

 

[msop04]

I'd also have him tilt the halo a bit more.

ETA: Scratch that. I think it’s a good angle.

 

[msop04]

Here’s what I mean about the different sized melee.

 

[msop04]

The only thing is the inspiration pic shows a larger center stone, so I don’t think smaller diamonds will achieve the same “look,” especially if you’re going for more finger coverage. If you go with smaller stones, they may appear a little "glittery"... I'm no help, I know. LOL

 

[Honeybasil]

How do I even tell what the angle is on the CAD? Seriously, I have no clue what I’m doing . I see the difference in the size of the melee, but I’m having trouble figuring out which size gives me the look I want. I want the center diamond to look larger overall - I don’t necessarily want a flowery look if that makes sense. I want the center diamond and the halo to be very tight together to give the illusion of a larger diamond, not really just to see a bunch of additional diamonds around the center diamond. Does that make sense?

 

[Rfisher]

How do I even tell what the angle is on the CAD? Seriously, I have no clue what I’m doing .

This thread
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/need-help-with-cads-for-my-paraiba-3-stone.244500/
Shows a great example of the halo before and after being angled, in CAD stage.

 

[Rfisher]

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ideal-halo-ratio.248280/
And here is another thread that shows examples of main stone to halo stone sizes. You’ll have to imagine in comparison to your exact centerstone size and shape- but the gist is there.

Hope this helps! There’s no right or wrong - it’s just choosing the correct one to end up how you want it to look.

 

[Honeybasil]

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ideal-halo-ratio.248280/
And here is another thread that shows examples of main stone to halo stone sizes. You’ll have to imagine in comparison to your exact centerstone size and shape- but the gist is there.

Hope this helps! There’s no right or wrong - it’s just choosing the correct one to end up how you want it to look.

Those threads help a lot!

 

[Honeybasil]

Is the CAD giving me either of these looks? Obviously I know it’s cushion shaped and not round, but just for size of melee and the way they’re set. I’m just having a hard time visualizing.

 

[sledge]

Besides the halo size, the thing that jumps off the chart to me is the gallery transitions that @tyty333 pointed out above. As drawn, it's boxy and clunky IMO, and this can be streamlined a bit more if you'd like.

Basic approach @tyty333 took but I added the little triangle "peek-a-boo" section. Obviously, the left side is the modified version, and the right side of the ring is the original version -- which applies to all the variations I will show you.



Next, if you look at the DK drawing you will notice that it varies from the Tacori inspiration in the fact the shoulders of the main ring is your "starting point". Look at how the gallery opens up and you can see more of the diamond if you shift the starting point of the gallery cage to the far left of the halo. My orange rendition isn't quite as "swoopy" as the one DK drew, but gives you an idea.




Finally, the DK channel lacks the cross bar. Probably because in the original design it would be too much. However, you could now add that back in if you desired.



I personally like the second version best. It opens up where you can see the side of the diamond.

I am curious WHY you want the diamond to stick up to 8mm? Is it an aesthetic thing, or you want to see more of the diamond (similar to how I opened the gallery in the 2nd version? My feeling is that you keep saying higher because there is a design element you want, but may not yet even know, or have not yet communicated because no one asked.

 

[sledge]

Is the CAD giving me either of these looks? Obviously I know it’s cushion shaped and not round, but just for size of melee and the way they’re set. I’m just having a hard time visualizing.

Is that your actual center stone? If so, there are 8 melee diamonds around the upper half in the second picture. I tried to illustrate below. If you like that "proportion" then show DK this diagram and ask them to proportion the melee stones so you get the same quantities around your ACTUAL stone size. That may force the melee stone size up/down depending on the actual center stone size but should make it proportional.

 

[Honeybasil]

I want the diamond set higher because my wedding band is a little thicker, so I want it to sit above that. I like that it makes the diamond stand out a little more. I’ll attach a picture of the Tacori ring that sits a little over 8 mm high.

 

[Honeybasil]

Is that your actual center stone? If so, there are 8 melee diamonds around the upper half in the second picture. I tried to illustrate below. If you like that "proportion" then show DK this diagram and ask them to proportion the melee stones so you get the same quantities around your ACTUAL stone size. That may force the melee stone size up/down depending on the actual center stone size but should make it proportional.

This isn’t my stone but it’s a similar size. Not sure if the exact measurements. Thanks for the drawing!

 

[Honeybasil]

Besides the halo size, the thing that jumps off the chart to me is the gallery transitions that @tyty333 pointed out above. As drawn, it's boxy and clunky IMO, and this can be streamlined a bit more if you'd like.

Basic approach @tyty333 took but I added the little triangle "peek-a-boo" section. Obviously, the left side is the modified version, and the right side of the ring is the original version -- which applies to all the variations I will show you.



Next, if you look at the DK drawing you will notice that it varies from the Tacori inspiration in the fact the shoulders of the main ring is your "starting point". Look at how the gallery opens up and you can see more of the diamond if you shift the starting point of the gallery cage to the far left of the halo. My orange rendition isn't quite as "swoopy" as the one DK drew, but gives you an idea.




Finally, the DK channel lacks the cross bar. Probably because in the original design it would be too much. However, you could now add that back in if you desired.



I personally like the second version best. It opens up where you can see the side of the diamond.

I am curious WHY you want the diamond to stick up to 8mm? Is it an aesthetic thing, or you want to see more of the diamond (similar to how I opened the gallery in the 2nd version? My feeling is that you keep saying higher because there is a design element you want, but may not yet even know, or have not yet communicated because no one asked.

Would moving the shoulders out and adding the crossbar prevent it from sitting right with my band?

 

[sledge]

Would moving the shoulders out and adding the crossbar prevent it from sitting right with my band?

That's a great question to ask DK. In their CAD program, they can manipulate and then grab a measurement to confirm whether it would work or not. Hopefully the below will make sense. If not, please ask and I will clarify.

You have a few things going on:

1. In the drawing below I add a yellow horizontal reference line. It shows the top of the wedding band that DK added in the drawing. I stretched that across to the side profile. Do you see how that line intersects where the gallery bars "twist/curve"?

2. I tried to magnify the twist on the right side mark up. The red is the knife edge wedding band that DK drew in. The blue represents the new e-ring you are designing. See how and where the curve occurs can conflict with the wedding band sitting flush?

3. Additionally, a knife edge is shown here -- is your actual wedding band a knife edge, or does it have a flat edge? In a knife edge it starts wide and tapers to a point as I exaggerated in red. But that angle makes a difference rather you get a conflict or not.

4. To make it further complicated, the dimensions of your actual wedding band will matter. I also added a red horizontal reference line on the left side. The orange arrows represent the distance between, which is currently unknown. If that dimension is 1.8mm and your band is 2mm then you will have a conflict. If the dimension is 2mm and your band is 2mm and knife edged, it may work. If it's flat, it will probably still conflict.

5. As you shift the location of the bars, you change the geometry. Hence, the aesthetics need figured out and then DK needs to verify in the CAD if there is a conflict. You may have to send in your wedding band for them to get measurements -- you may ask them.

 

[sledge]

D'oh. I just realized you asked about the SHOULDERS. Those should not conflict. It will be the twisty/curvy bars for the gallery that will the be the issue as I noted above.

 

[headlight]

I know I am posting so much about this, but DK sent me the first CAD drawings for my ring reset. I’m wondering if you could help me with anything you see as I have never done this before. First of all, my ring size needs to be changed as I got remeasured and told him the wrong size. I would also like the diamond to sit higher than the 6.3 mm he has drawn. The other photos are some inspiration pictures. Thanks for feedback!

Please do not apologize for "posting so much about this"... this is what this forum is here for. Both to help people as well as to fulfill our obsession with being involved in this shared passion... so just know you are doing it as much for us as you are for you! Many of us here have had unfortunate custom projects and we want to save someone else the agony of that, so please seek out as much input as you need.