Dancing Fire -- you were wrong about next terror act

[Dancing Fire]

The few posters in the minority, except for DF, come and go and then disappear altogether. Were the discourse routinely civil, I don't think that would happen. Little doubt that they will run me off sooner than later, but they will never get rid of DF. Just kidding; everybody loves DF.

Peace

The left wingers don't bother me.... they try to imply that this incident is a terrorist act...

 

[Dancing Fire]

I believe Karl has a right to speak his mind freely as this is hangout. As to if it would influence me on buying an Octavia? not sure. Kenny's pix are the first reason why I started coming back to Pricescope in 13 and DF's ring..hmmmmm... just gorgeous too... if only I had all the money DF thinks I have!

peace.

T
The richest people in the U.S. are from the far left.. Just to name a few...Bill Gates,Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg.

 

[Arkteia]

I am thinking...you know, when people donate organs, they don't bequest them "to a democrat", or "to a republican". No one says, "whacked out liberals need not apply". We all understand that in the big scheme of events, our political differences are relative.

This shooting is a very bad symptom. Think of it - the man who told Hodgkinson that the Republicans were playing later recollected the former being very calm and looking totally normal. It is not uncommon for those who have decided to die. But Hodgkinson - at least it is my understanding - decided to, so to say, "clean the world", do something that he viewed as positive, before his departure. I don't know how domestic violence plays into it, but the group "violence against the Republicans" clearly might have been the contributing factor.

If you decided to leave this world, why not do something good and altruistic before death, instead of killing someone?

Many people have negative feeling about the future. But is life in America so bad that we should start killing other humans? How can it even be the norm?

What people post here is not even half as offensive as some posts I have seen on one other forum. But today, I am very much concerned about the reaction of our politicians because spending money on their own protection is far from conducting good root-cause analysis and implementing harm reduction measures.

 

[Tekate]

Hmm maybe that says something? the richest people are on the left... Buffet grew up wealthy as did Gates and Zuckerberg..

T
The richest people in the U.S. are from the far left.. Just to name a few...Bill Gates,Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg.

 

[AnnaH]

LL, of course you may post what you please. That doesn't go both ways?Why the double standard? You don't want to discuss that? That's also your right.

 

[Arcadian]

Karl posted what he did within the confines of the rules at Pricescope. And, people have a right to do with them as they will. They have the right to, if they so choose, to vote with their wallet or not.

I'm not saying its right or wrong, I'm saying they're free to do so.

I don't know him, I'm not a diamond buyer (at least not of that type) so for me its pretty moot.

Onto the rest; I've said it before and will again, I'd rather know who you are than not. I'm fine with disagreements because we all have our own way of thinking, and some of what is said here...yeah I wonder about some of y'all....

I'm very pro gun, and pro 2nd amendment, and I'm a gun owner. And while this guy purchased his weapon legally, he crossed the line where the law is concerned.

If a person is of a mind to commit a crime, it doesn't matter if he has to use a spork to do it. Its about their willingness to break the law.

Gun control ONLY controls those who are willing to stay within the confines of the law. If you are going to commit a criminal act, you're not going to care two shits about some silly law. And if its not a gun, they will always find something else.

FWIW, this was a terrorist act. It doesn't matter if he's white black, blue with green polka dots. Its all about the intent.

 

[monarch64]

The left wingers don't bother me.... they try to imply that this incident is a terrorist act...

Seriously?
ter·ror·ist
ˈterərəst/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
   synonyms: extremist, fanatic; More
   

adjective

1. 1.
   unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
   "a terrorist organization"

 

[Arkteia]

Karl posted what he did within the confines of the rules at Pricescope. And, people have a right to do with them as they will. They have the right to, if they so choose, to vote with their wallet or not.

I'm not saying its right or wrong, I'm saying they're free to do so.

I don't know him, I'm not a diamond buyer (at least not of that type) so for me its pretty moot.

Onto the rest; I've said it before and will again, I'd rather know who you are than not. I'm fine with disagreements because we all have our own way of thinking, and some of what is said here...yeah I wonder about some of y'all....

I'm very pro gun, and pro 2nd amendment, and I'm a gun owner. And while this guy purchased his weapon legally, he crossed the line where the law is concerned.

If a person is of a mind to commit a crime, it doesn't matter if he has to use a spork to do it. Its about their willingness to break the law.

Gun control ONLY controls those who are willing to stay within the confines of the law. If you are going to commit a criminal act, you're not going to care two shits about some silly law. And if its not a gun, they will always find something else.

FWIW, this was a terrorist act. It doesn't matter if he's white black, blue with green polka dots. Its all about the intent.

You know, Arcadian, I am not anti-gun at all. Only I have noticed that the world falls into two groups, one does not have any, and one collects them. Very few own "a gun". And of course, all unbelievable things that happen, one toddler killing another for example, happen in the houses of "responsible" gun owners. Many of whom, I bet, have attended gun safety classes, and yet are mindless enough to forget a loaded gun under their bed.

I understand that 2nd Amendment is sacred because gun industry generates very high revenues. But this is why I said that harm reduction measures need to happen. We are not the country of 2nd Amendment, we are the country of people who constantly violate own rules, and at least it would make sense to look at ways to make 2nd Amendment foolproof?

About Karl. I have seen only several posts from him, from what I understand, it could have even been a very unsuccessful joke. Just my feeling. Some communication error. So I would not attack him at this time. Can't explain, just my intuition. When a person posts a couple of times and immediately gets under fire, it tells me more about his communication that his political views. Plus, much as he is the industry, (the designer of a new a diamond cut), he is not a diamond-mine-owner-industry.

But - I do blame the prevailing political climate (see "tweets from the lunatic" thread) , the bullying that suddenly became the norm, all fake news, the intentionally divisive policy - I do blame it for sharp polarization of the society and the abnormal level of hatred in it. This is something very, very serious.

 

[Arkteia]

Hmm maybe that says something? the richest people are on the left... Buffet grew up wealthy as did Gates and Zuckerberg..

They are not on the left. Both made their money by ways of old capitalism, Gates was even under investigation for breaking anti-monopoly laws. However, all three, but especially, Buffett and Gates, have huge charity foundations and spend their money not on diamonds, but on improving the world. To me, some of their ideas sound naive, but they are definitely idealistic. They do not support leftist ideas, they fight world hunger, climate changes and have many charities supporting projects here. (I'd rather they fought hunger in this country, too, but it is their money). However, we have achieved the times when their altruistic gestures - such as financing climate change research - attract way less attention than a GOP candidate (Gianforte) who hit a reporter, D.C. shooter, or even Kathy Griffin.

 

[AGBF]

The richest people in the U.S. are from the far left.. Just to name a few...Bill Gates,Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg.

Point of Clarification!

Point of Order!

None of those people are "from the far left"!

 

[AGBF]

Karl posted what he did within the confines of the rules at Pricescope. And, people have a right to do with them as they will. They have the right to, if they so choose, to vote with their wallet or not.

I'm not saying its right or wrong, I'm saying they're free to do so.

I agree with everything you said above, Arcadian.

I don't know him, I'm not a diamond buyer (at least not of that type) so for me its pretty moot.

Onto the rest; I've said it before and will again, I'd rather know who you are than not. I'm fine with disagreements because we all have our own way of thinking, and some of what is said here...yeah I wonder about some of y'all....

As for this part of your posting, I do not disagree with you. I am just in a different position from you. I do know Karl very well and have for years (although we have not met in person). He comforted me over the phone many, many years ago before he ever designed a diamond or met his wife. He is an incredibly kind person and extraordinarily smart. I won't talk about his personal beliefs, but he is a man of principle. I agree with you that I would rather know where people are coming from than not. Karl will always be my friend. I will never hold it against others if they feel they need to boycott his product. I can't afford an Octavia! Our friendship is not rooted in diamonds or in politics (over which we disagree most of the time).

AGBF

 

[kenny]

Kenny, I cannot tell you how much I respect you for posting this. It's a sad world when people hate others because of political beliefs and disregard the character of the person overall. I hate these threads and rarely read them, but I was curious as to what this thread was about. I'd buy an Octavia any day, and I'd happily buy your colored diamonds, too, if you were selling. Now to find my money tree, and I'll be right on it! Consider yourself virtually {{{hugged}}}.

Now back to happy places like RT and SMTB......

Thanks. ... and hugs back to you.
Yeah, AFAIC character outranks politics, religion, IQ, wealth, education level etc. !!!

 

[AnnaH]

Agree that this particular thread is mild, including the comment that has received so much focus. Although I've only been on HO a short time and not consistently active, I've seen some warnings and even a few shut downs of threads. I guess there could have been many more warnings had there been more reports. I assume that's how it works. Don't see how admin could read all the threads. Personally I've never reported anyone, but that's not a criticism of anyone who has. Particularly as I manage to miss all the biggest upsets.
This is the only place I post with any regularity, and I read rt and smtb, etc. for years before ever coming here. My only other online political discussions have been occasional responses to newspaper editorials. One of my posts was deleted as inappropriate. Another poster kept using logical fallacies, such as circular reasoning, and I said something like I was off of his merry-go-round. Maybe I stated "crazy" merry-go-round; don't recall, but it was mild. I think they deleted one of his comments, too. Only time I've ever been deleted to my knowledge. I think it was the Dallas Morning News.
So I'll have to take your collective word for it that online it's really bad "out there." Certainly agree with those who have expressed concern for the extreme political rhetoric we hear on the news.

 

[t-c]

Terrorist or no?
A Bomber Was Behind The Deadly Kindergarten Blast, Chinese Police Say
Chinese police have identified a suspect in the bombing of a kindergarten in the city of Xuzhou on Thursday. The man, a 22-year-old surnamed Xu, detonated a homemade explosive device just before 5 p.m. local time at the building's front gate, killing himself and at least seven other people in the process, according to authorities.

 

[Karl_K]

As for this part of your posting, I do not disagree with you. I am just in a different position from you. I do know Karl very well and have for years (although we have not met in person). He comforted me over the phone many, many years ago before he ever designed a diamond or met his wife. He is an incredibly kind person and extraordinarily smart. I won't talk about his personal beliefs, but he is a man of principle. I agree with you that I would rather know where people are coming from than not. Karl will always be my friend. I will never hold it against others if they feel they need to boycott his product. I can't afford an Octavia! Our friendship is not rooted in diamonds or in politics (over which we disagree most of the time).

AGBF

huge *hugs* Deb I am deeply touched by your post my friend.

Karl

 

[Karl_K]

As to if it was a terrorist attack it depends on how you use the word.
The government uses the word terrorist attack when it is connected to a terrorist group.
The is why you will hear them saying that an attack that was clearly terror was not a terrorist attack.
I think that is wrong a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack.
By my definition it was a terrorist attack.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Karl, you need to look back at page 2 because Kenny wrote a nice post about you, too!

 

[Karl_K]

Karl, you need to look back at page 2 because Kenny wrote a nice post about you, too!

I saw that and was really touched by it. Because of the part about Octavia I hesitated to say so because it could be taken by some as a rule violation.
Being in the trade is a very weird position on PS sometimes in more ways than one.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Okay, Karl! I just wanted you to know that most of those of us who have known you a long time consider you a friend, and that is the part of PS that I love....the part where we can care about and respect others whether we agree on everything or not!

 

[Rockdiamond]

Karl is my friend too
We have definitely had our differences but they are all in the past.
I still think steering a wide berth around controversy is important for a vendor here. But there are no hard feelings because friends can be honest with each other.

 

[Karl_K]

Okay, Karl! I just wanted you to know that most of those of us who have known you a long time consider you a friend, and that is the part of PS that I love....the part where we can care about and respect others whether we agree on everything or not!

thanks that is really nice.
I consider many here to be friends as well.
I agree the best part of PS is the care and respect of members here for each other.

 

[Karl_K]

Are there stats on wacko liberals who kill vs ignorant conservatives who do? I'm curious.

I could not find credible stats on that. There is a lot of biased garbage out there on it from both sides.

 

[Karl_K]

Karl is my friend too
We have definitely had our differences but they are all in the past.
I still think steering a wide berth around controversy is important for a vendor here. But there are no hard feelings because friends can be honest with each other.

Well David if I had thought my comment would get the reaction it did I might have worded it different but I didn't think anything of it.
Maybe I'm just clueless.
Social grace has never been my strong suit!
I certainly didn't think hey lets get everyone all riled up......... that's DF's job!

 

[AnnaH]

Ha, DF's job.

Deb, enjoyed your Karl story.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Well David if I had thought my comment would get the reaction it did I might have worded it different but I didn't think anything of it.
Maybe I'm just clueless.
Social grace has never been my strong suit!
I certainly didn't think hey lets get everyone all riled up......... that's DF's job!

Nahhh... That job belongs to the liberals...

 

[Missy]

Okay, Karl! I just wanted you to know that most of those of us who have known you a long time consider you a friend, and that is the part of PS that I love....the part where we can care about and respect others whether we agree on everything or not!

OK so I am very late to this thread and I confess I didn't read it all. Mainly because it is too stressful for me and I usually skip the contentious (i.e. political) threads these days. But I want to lend my support for people who may feel differently politically but who I don't think are terrible human beings because of it. I don't automatically think you are a bad person based on your political affiliation and I will not judge you solely on that. And I actually know some terrific people who don't believe the same things I do politically. The older I get the less of issue black and white I see. No question. There is much gray.