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Dancing Fire -- you were wrong about next terror act

Oh, look at that. A white dude shot up R baseball practice and hit the majority whip in the process. DF, how does that crow taste?
 
C'mon ladies -- you KNOW it can't be called a terror attack unless it was committed by a Muslim living in this country illegally. Add living off of welfare paid for by US taxpayer dollars to get the trifecta. THEN you can call it a Terror Attack.
 
It would be really awesome if all of the terrorist acts would be labeled as such, but since "they" only label them terrorism when it's a person of another color/belief system, vs a white guy, surely this won't be either.
 
I did like how they captured this ******* alive!
 
I think he died of his injuries though. Not sure how everyone else is doing, but it sounds like Steve Scalise is ok. I wonder if one's political views on gun control shift at all once you've been a victim. It will be interesting to see...
 
They call this a terrorist act? Sad, but shooting happens everyday here in the U.S. The liberals can keep on talking PC but the next bomb that goes off in a big crowd will not be committed by a white dude.
 
Several media are saying that reps are "speechless" and "shocked" that this could happen. Yes, how on earth could anyone be surprised at a mass shooting occurring the US and golly gosh, to republicans no less.

Oooh looky here, only 3 shot in SF. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/us/san-francisco-shooting/index.html

@Dancing Fire, here's the definition of "terrorism". I think Hodgkinson's actions qualify: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

DF none of us here are naive. We can take for granted that ISIS or its surrogates will attempt a major attack here at some point. We get it. What you seem to want to ignore is that pissed off white people remain the #1 perpetrators of terrorism in the US
 
Racist bigots will refuse to see this as what it was. That isn't going to change no matter how many white men commit terrorist crimes.
 
Yet another wacked out liberal kills people. No surprise there.
 
Wacked out liberals? Let's dig a little deeper -the REAL problem is men. Of course, rather than admit that they're the problem, it's probably easier to blame "wacked out" liberals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1635092/

Snip:

"Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval."

Here's a bit of evidence that I doubt you can blame on "liberals", but you can mostly blame on men (quite interesting in and of itself, given the issue) since only one woman makes this list:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion-clinic-violence.html

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Thank you Katharath!!!! You are my hero.

Sad comment Karl. Are you aware 80% of the people here are liberals? Many of these liberals have money to purchase very large diamonds. If I was a trade person I would actually give some thought to my comments on this site.
 
Dancing Fire said:
They call this a terrorist act? Sad, but shooting happens everyday here in the U.S. The liberals can keep on talking PC but the next bomb that goes off in a big crowd will not be committed by a white dude.
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Yeah, only because America is irretrievably stupid and white guys lead THAT charge---they tend to blow themselves up while trying to make a 'bomb' a high school freshman back in the day could make without a problem.
 
Calliecake said:
Thank you Katharath!!!! You are my hero.

Sad comment Karl. Are you aware 80% of the people here are liberals? Many of these liberals have money to purchase very large diamonds. If I was a trade person I would actually give some thought to my comments on this site.
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Yes, that's probably the smart thing to do.

And TY Callie, you know I :kiss: you!

Don't misunderstand me - I love men. My husband and two sons are the dearest people to me in the world. I very much enjoy the company of men, and have had male best friends throughout my life. That said, I can still see that society (particularly the male half) needs to do better. It's obviously a complex topic, but refusing to see that it's a problem doesn't help anyone. There are clearly deranged and violent people on both ends of the political spectrum, but one thing they have in common is that most are males.
 
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Yet another wacked out liberal kills people. No surprise there.
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I cannot even formulate a response to this. It's beyond offensive to assume that only "wacked out liberals" kill people. I truly hope that this was some kind of joke that went terribly wrong.

Calliecake said:
Thank you Katharath!!!! You are my hero.

Sad comment Karl. Are you aware 80% of the people here are liberals? Many of these liberals have money to purchase very large diamonds. If I was a trade person I would actually give some thought to my comments on this site.
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Thank you Calliecake. I'm taken aback by Karl's statement. :nono:
 
I'm always taken aback when tradespeople make comments like this (I remember another diamond vendor making really odd abortion posts on their personal Facebook page too). Guess they don't need $? :lol:
 
Elliot86 said:
I'm always taken aback when tradespeople make comments like this (I remember another diamond vendor making really odd abortion posts on their personal Facebook page too). Guess they don't need $? :lol:
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LOL! Apparently not.

I get that this is a forum and one should be able to speak their own mind however I would expect tradespeople to operate under a different set of rules considering...you know...that they are tradespeople. My only hope is that this was a joke that came out entirely wrong. I'm going to hold on to that hope. Tradesperson or not, I cannot understand the ignorance of that statement.
 
Calliecake said:
Thank you Katharath!!!! You are my hero.

Sad comment Karl. Are you aware 80% of the people here are liberals? Many of these liberals have money to purchase very large diamonds. If I was a trade person I would actually give some thought to my comments on this site.
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Glad you said it, Callie. But actually, I'm glad he posted it, so I know where not to direct all my wacked out liberal money I'll be saving from my big, fat Trumpian tax cut.
 
Not sure why only Karl's remark is considered inappropriate. The thread began odd and went on from there.

Glad the two police officers were there. There would have been no protection if the majority whip weren't there with his guards. The field is in a neighborhood, and there were men, women and children all around. One of the congressmen had his little son with him.

No telling how many lives were saved by the brave officers.

I was proud to hear that the charity game will be played tomorrow. Sure it won't last, but it was nice to see the congress members united.
 
AnnaH said:
Not sure why only Karl's remark is considered inappropriate. The thread began odd and went on from there.

Glad the two police officers were there. There would have been no protection if the majority whip weren't there with his guards. The field is in a neighborhood, and there were men, women and children all around. One of the congressmen had his little son with him.

No telling how many lives were saved by the brave officers.

I was proud to hear that the charity game will be played tomorrow. Sure it won't last, but it was nice to see the congress members united.
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I don't know about inappropriate, but it sure was offensive. Another wacked out liberal? Who are the others. No surprise? How is that not offensive? Two people are in critical condition because this guy is crazy and had access to a gun, and this is a chance to take a run at liberals?

And yes, I agree, thank goodness for the police officers and their brave actions.
 
Much as I despise Scalise who addressed white supremacist event, shooting elected officials is NOT the way to go. 1) Morally, it is not right. 2) Also, the risk of collateral damage - security officers, police, other people on the field - is always high. I have not checked, but 4 people have been at least wounded in the incident, how badly, we do not know. Security police are usually younger and may have young kids... 3) We are living in a very difficult time. I always remind people the story with the arson of the Reichstag in 1933...it served as the pretext for Hitler to become the dictator. If anything, I am afraid of provocations of such type, but this case was not a provocation.

I have read about Hodgkingson. He wrote many letters in 2012 to the newspapers about the risk of decreasing the tax on the wealthy. I would recommend people to read them. He knew history, he was logical, he was able to use facts... this is why the current episode is so unexpected and sad. He was 66 and did not renew his business license. Maybe he lost his business... I wonder if he was depressed and just decided to take someone with him because he obviously disliked the GOPs... he asked who was practicing at the baseball field, GOPs or Dems... so he did not target Scalise specifically, just some GOP. Still, how is it different from suicide bombers?

Since he was Bernie's active supporter, I checked Senator Sanders's FB and he condemned this act, like any acts of violence. I think there are many legal avenues to follow, the elections of 2018 are not far away and one should focus on strengthening our democratic institutions, not instilling terror.

P.S. I also think that donating to support ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center could do way more good than acts that can be viewed (or are) as inciting violence. The organizations I mentioned do need our help, and - much as I dislkie Scalise - I am very glad that he is alive, otherwise it might have ended much worse for democracy.
 
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Calliecake said:
Thank you Katharath!!!! You are my hero.

Sad comment Karl. Are you aware 80% of the people here are liberals? Many of these liberals have money to purchase very large diamonds. If I was a trade person I would actually give some thought to my comments on this site.
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Stormy just speaking his mind. Unlike the liberals speaking in PC codes.
 
jaaron said:
I don't know about inappropriate, but it sure was offensive. Another wacked out liberal? Who are the others. No surprise? How is that not offensive? Two people are in critical condition because this guy is crazy and had access to a gun, and this is a chance to take a run at liberals?

And yes, I agree, thank goodness for the police officers and their brave actions.
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J, not sure how to respond as I don't know exactly why you addressed me. Did you think I was agreeing with Karl's post? Not what I posted at all. but it is hardly the only inappropriate/offensive (whatever you are thinking/feeling) comment.
 
ABKIS said:
Thank you Calliecake. I'm taken aback by Karl's statement. :nono:
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I just Googled "liberals kill people" and here is what popped up first.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...s-that-Have-Killed-People-to-Destroy-Liberals

So I think what people post depends on what "fountain of knowledge" they drink from, so to say. ;)

(I read that Sean Hannity just compiled a list of "murders by liberals"... And of course, this old "Seth Rich conspiracy" comes from him, so...)

I assume Karl prefers FOX. :) Most of us probably don't. Personally, I'd first believe "the Onion" and then FOX, but unfortunately, even FOX has no monopoly on "fake news" in today's world.
 
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Elliot86 said:
I'm always taken aback when tradespeople make comments like this (I remember another diamond vendor making really odd abortion posts on their personal Facebook page too). Guess they don't need $? :lol:
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So a person in the trade shouldn't allowed to speak freely?
 
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