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It''s getting warmer and brighter again...yay spring!

I read that it''s important to wear sunscreen daily - do any of you do this? And if so, what brand/kind do you use? I hate that stickiness that comes with most sunscreens, and that sunscreen smell. I''m really looking for something that I can wear every day and not necessarily know that it''s there. I try to ride my bicycle to/from work, so I''m out in the sun for ~1hr every day.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
 

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HI:

Currently my Vichy moisturizer has a sunscreen already added, as does my foundation, same if I just wear a tinted mointurizer.

But as a alone product, I recommended Neutrogena "Dry Touch". Feels like silk and not the least tacky. High quality sunscreen with Helioplex.

cheers--Sharon
 

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Date: 3/19/2009 6:57:27 PM
Author:Aloros
It''s getting warmer and brighter again...yay spring!

I read that it''s important to wear sunscreen daily - do any of you do this? And if so, what brand/kind do you use? I hate that stickiness that comes with most sunscreens, and that sunscreen smell. I''m really looking for something that I can wear every day and not necessarily know that it''s there. I try to ride my bicycle to/from work, so I''m out in the sun for ~1hr every day.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
Hi Aloros. I do!
I wear it pretty much daily, since being diagnosed with skin cancer in my early 20''s.
The cancer specialist told me that as long as it''s at least SPF 15..I''m safe. I use SPF 30 on my face, and when I''m vacationing in a country such as Mexico when the sun is so much more instense than what I''m used to, I go with a 45 on my body. For the body I like the Coppertone products, for my face I like the Vichy products. I worked for Estee Lauder and enjoyed their products as well (alot of foundations now have an SPF, which is fabulous..2 products in one). I know that sunscreen, as well as most sunless tanners all contain the "smell"..but maybe you can mask it with a moisturizer. I think I''ve just gotten used to that smell, however it was overwhelming at first. Just remember, if you''re putting a sunscreen on your face, it goes on before your moisturizer.
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. Have fun in the sun!
 

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We use the Eucerin Everyday Protection Body Lotion and Face Lotion too. Bf was always nabbing my facial moisturizer and he''d balk everytime I tried to make him wear sunscreen, so I finally just got a product that combined the two. However, I need to get a sunblock for when we do more active things outside, something that holds up against sweat and water. I heard good things about Neutrogena Dry Touch, but I haven''t tried it yet.
 

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I use Clinique City Block, factor 25 or 40 on my face and neck daily, whatever I have available for body when needed.
 

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Date: 3/20/2009 10:28:07 AM
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We use the Eucerin Everyday Protection Body Lotion and Face Lotion too. Bf was always nabbing my facial moisturizer and he''d balk everytime I tried to make him wear sunscreen, so I finally just got a product that combined the two. However, I need to get a sunblock for when we do more active things outside, something that holds up against sweat and water. I heard good things about Neutrogena Dry Touch, but I haven''t tried it yet.
I haven''t heard anything about this product..is it fairly new? I''m going to go out today to see if I can find it ..perhaps Wal-Mart? I''d like to try it.
 

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I think I first read about it in one of my magazines. It sounded promising: offering a high SPF, lightweight, non-greasy, broad spectrum protection, waterproof, sweatproof, etc. It claims that it won''t clog pores, but some negative reviews that I''ve read online say that it caused people to break out. Maybe you could get a sample from a dermatologist or buy one online first to see how your skin reacts to it? http://www.beautyencounter.com/5000104738.html

I think that the Eucerin is adequate for my everyday needs, but I think I''ll get something stronger for when we spend days out in this Texas sun!
 

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I use a Neutrogena moisturizer with SS in it. I have issues with stand-alone SS on my face. It makes my eyelids burn and I get a rash
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Boo contact dermatitis. So I have to be really careful about what I use on my face. Clinique is usually my go-to when I need extra for the beack/vaction/etc.
 

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I love Clinique City Block for my face (spf 25 or 40 - chemical free sunscreen).

For everyday, I use Eucerin Everyday Protection for Body. On days when I''ll be outside for extended periods, I use Clinique SPF for Body (can''t recall what exactly its called).
 

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Date: 3/19/2009 8:06:36 PM
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HI:

Currently my Vichy moisturizer has a sunscreen already added, as does my foundation, same if I just wear a tinted mointurizer.

But as a alone product, I recommended Neutrogena ''Dry Touch''. Feels like silk and not the least tacky. High quality sunscreen with Helioplex.

cheers--Sharon
I am with Sharon on this one! The dermatologists that I have worked with this past year recommend it highly. It comes in SPF 70, which is not so much better than 30 at % of rays blocked. However, the benefit of going with higher spf is that it lasts longer. Especially for summer, I cannot recommend this one enough. In the winter, I usually get away with a spf 30 that is a bit more moisturizing though. I''m a little obsessive about sun protection
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Date: 3/20/2009 4:18:56 PM
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Date: 3/19/2009 8:06:36 PM
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HI:

Currently my Vichy moisturizer has a sunscreen already added, as does my foundation, same if I just wear a tinted mointurizer.

But as a alone product, I recommended Neutrogena ''Dry Touch''. Feels like silk and not the least tacky. High quality sunscreen with Helioplex.

cheers--Sharon
I am with Sharon on this one! The dermatologists that I have worked with this past year recommend it highly. It comes in SPF 70, which is not so much better than 30 at % of rays blocked. However, the benefit of going with higher spf is that it lasts longer. Especially for summer, I cannot recommend this one enough. In the winter, I usually get away with a spf 30 that is a bit more moisturizing though. I''m a little obsessive about sun protection
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Me too, but I always think you can never have too much protection when it comes to the sun''s damaging rays! Besides..you''ll be thankful when you''re 40 and look 30!!
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I use the Neutrogena (SPF 70?) on my face. I don''t recall if it is the Dry Touch but it does have the Helioplex. On my arms, hand, and legs I use Banana Boat Sport (spf 50) spray just because it is so easy to apply and dries quickly without a greasy feel.

I am in my 50s and when I was a teen I used cocoa butter to get a nice tan. No one back then worried about skin cancer or wrinkles or knew better. Once I hit my late 30s I got smarter and began to use sunscreen. Luckily, I was not a sun worshipper and my skin thus far is wrinkle free.
 

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Date: 3/20/2009 6:07:45 PM
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Date: 3/20/2009 4:18:56 PM
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Date: 3/19/2009 8:06:36 PM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

Currently my Vichy moisturizer has a sunscreen already added, as does my foundation, same if I just wear a tinted mointurizer.

But as a alone product, I recommended Neutrogena ''Dry Touch''. Feels like silk and not the least tacky. High quality sunscreen with Helioplex.

cheers--Sharon
I am with Sharon on this one! The dermatologists that I have worked with this past year recommend it highly. It comes in SPF 70, which is not so much better than 30 at % of rays blocked. However, the benefit of going with higher spf is that it lasts longer. Especially for summer, I cannot recommend this one enough. In the winter, I usually get away with a spf 30 that is a bit more moisturizing though. I''m a little obsessive about sun protection
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Me too, but I always think you can never have too much protection when it comes to the sun''s damaging rays! Besides..you''ll be thankful when you''re 40 and look 30!!
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HI:

I also use Vichy alone, which contains Mexoryll; and it is a superior sunscreen (UVA/B). Just not my opinion.....all the research......

Neutrogena''s product uses Helioplex--another broad specturm suncreen (UVA/B)-- is nice for the face b/c it is the "Dry Touch" formulation that makes it very user friendly under makeup. Almost like a primer. As a rule I use Vichy, but when I needed an "out and about" face product under my makeup, I used Neutrogena.

Many products are gooey/tacky/oily on the face, but the DT is not. And no, I do not work for Neutrogena!

P.S. Neutrogena can be purchased almost anywhere.

cheers--Sharon
 

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I wear sunscreen daily - ever since I developed melasma (darn birth control), I have to work pretty hard to prevent it from getting worse.

I wear Shiseido 55 sunscreen - it dries matte with a smooth dry silky finish. It is great for every day because you can put makeup over it easily.

While I know that the dry touch by Nutrogena has helioplex etc, I found that it balled on my skin if I touched my face at all (you know, like eraser shavings) so it didn''t work for me.

Here is the sunscreen...

http://www.sephora.com/browse/product.jhtml?id=P173670&shouldPaginate=true&categoryId=5337

Seriously - I''ve tried a lot and this is what I used when I was in Israel and Egypt last July and didn''t get a tan at all (my goal - needed to keep the melasma under control before the wedding!).
 

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i have been trying different products and have found that ones containing avobenzene irritate my skin (cause breakouts) and sting my eyes. i have switched to one containing titanium dioxide and zinc oxide and it does not cause breakouts, does not sting my eyes, and does not have a smell.

check out cosmeticscop.com for more information. it is run by paula begoun who has been in the cosmetics industry forever and worked at counters and as a makeup artist, and saw too many marketing lies to let it go. she researches and reviews products and dispells the myths associated with them, and educates women on what to buy, what to look for, what is truth and what is hype. she''s a huge advocate of sunscreen use, and goes into detail of how to properly protect yourself. here''s a link with more information: http://www.cosmeticscop.com/sun-care-essentials.aspx she reviews products extensively, and she is a great resource for weeding through the millions out there to find the ones that are right for you, whether you want to shop drug store lines or counters, spend a little or a lot.


some key things to know about sunscreen:

you have to protect against UVA AND UVB, and many products do not contain the right ingredients for both.
from paula: "SPF is crucial, but it is only a measurement regarding sunburn (UVB) rays. It is dangerous for your skin to not have UVA protection and many sunscreens do not have ingredients that can provided true full-spectrum (both UVA and UVB) coverage. There are no numbers to tell you about protection from UVA radiation. For that protection you have to check the active ingredient list to see if either zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, avobenzone (which may also be listed as Parsol 1789 or butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane), Mexoryl SX, or Tinosorb (Mexoryl SX and Tinosorb are only available in products sold outside the US). If one of those isn''t part of the active ingredient list (it doesn''t count if it is just part of the regular or "other" ingredients) you are not applying adequate UVA protection and that is dangerous for your skin."

SPF should be the LAST thing you put on your skin - beau is misinformed about putting it on before your moisturizer. i hear this time and time again, that it must be the last thing you put on (if your foundation includes proper SPF then that can go on after).
from paula: "At what point in your skin care routine should you apply sunscreen? If you are applying several skin-care products the rule is that the last item you apply during the day is your sunscreen. If you apply sunscreen and then apply your moisturizer or an acne product, you could be inadvertently diluting or breaking down the effectiveness of the sunscreen you''ve just applied."
 

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Date: 3/21/2009 8:45:57 AM
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i have been trying different products and have found that ones containing avobenzene irritate my skin (cause breakouts) and sting my eyes. i have switched to one containing titanium dioxide and zinc oxide and it does not cause breakouts, does not sting my eyes, and does not have a smell.

check out cosmeticscop.com for more information. it is run by paula begoun who has been in the cosmetics industry forever and worked at counters and as a makeup artist, and saw too many marketing lies to let it go. she researches and reviews products and dispells the myths associated with them, and educates women on what to buy, what to look for, what is truth and what is hype. she''s a huge advocate of sunscreen use, and goes into detail of how to properly protect yourself. here''s a link with more information: http://www.cosmeticscop.com/sun-care-essentials.aspx she reviews products extensively, and she is a great resource for weeding through the millions out there to find the ones that are right for you, whether you want to shop drug store lines or counters, spend a little or a lot.


some key things to know about sunscreen:

you have to protect against UVA AND UVB, and many products do not contain the right ingredients for both.
from paula: ''SPF is crucial, but it is only a measurement regarding sunburn (UVB) rays. It is dangerous for your skin to not have UVA protection and many sunscreens do not have ingredients that can provided true full-spectrum (both UVA and UVB) coverage. There are no numbers to tell you about protection from UVA radiation. For that protection you have to check the active ingredient list to see if either zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, avobenzone (which may also be listed as Parsol 1789 or butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane), Mexoryl SX, or Tinosorb (Mexoryl SX and Tinosorb are only available in products sold outside the US). If one of those isn''t part of the active ingredient list (it doesn''t count if it is just part of the regular or ''other'' ingredients) you are not applying adequate UVA protection and that is dangerous for your skin.''

SPF should be the LAST thing you put on your skin - beau is misinformed about putting it on before your moisturizer. i hear this time and time again, that it must be the last thing you put on (if your foundation includes proper SPF then that can go on after).
from paula: ''At what point in your skin care routine should you apply sunscreen? If you are applying several skin-care products the rule is that the last item you apply during the day is your sunscreen. If you apply sunscreen and then apply your moisturizer or an acne product, you could be inadvertently diluting or breaking down the effectiveness of the sunscreen you''ve just applied.''
Really? Good to know. I always went by what the oncologist told me and what I learned with all the Estee Lauder and BeautiControl training. I think putting sunscreen on top of foundation though,would not be a good look..lol. I guess this is why it''s best to find a foundation that has an SPF buillt in? In the summer I usually only wear one product..a tinted moisturizer containing sunscreen. It does make sense that other products would break down the effectiveness of sunscreen. Maybe a spray on sunscreen (for your face) would work best, without disturbing your foundation ??
 

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Date: 3/21/2009 8:45:57 AM
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i have been trying different products and have found that ones containing avobenzene irritate my skin (cause breakouts) and sting my eyes. i have switched to one containing titanium dioxide and zinc oxide and it does not cause breakouts, does not sting my eyes, and does not have a smell.


check out cosmeticscop.com for more information. it is run by paula begoun who has been in the cosmetics industry forever and worked at counters and as a makeup artist, and saw too many marketing lies to let it go. she researches and reviews products and dispells the myths associated with them, and educates women on what to buy, what to look for, what is truth and what is hype. she''s a huge advocate of sunscreen use, and goes into detail of how to properly protect yourself. here''s a link with more information: http://www.cosmeticscop.com/sun-care-essentials.aspx she reviews products extensively, and she is a great resource for weeding through the millions out there to find the ones that are right for you, whether you want to shop drug store lines or counters, spend a little or a lot.



some key things to know about sunscreen:


you have to protect against UVA AND UVB, and many products do not contain the right ingredients for both.

from paula: ''SPF is crucial, but it is only a measurement regarding sunburn (UVB) rays. It is dangerous for your skin to not have UVA protection and many sunscreens do not have ingredients that can provided true full-spectrum (both UVA and UVB) coverage. There are no numbers to tell you about protection from UVA radiation. For that protection you have to check the active ingredient list to see if either zinc oxide, titanium dioxide, avobenzone (which may also be listed as Parsol 1789 or butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane), Mexoryl SX, or Tinosorb (Mexoryl SX and Tinosorb are only available in products sold outside the US). If one of those isn''t part of the active ingredient list (it doesn''t count if it is just part of the regular or ''other'' ingredients) you are not applying adequate UVA protection and that is dangerous for your skin.''


SPF should be the LAST thing you put on your skin - beau is misinformed about putting it on before your moisturizer. i hear this time and time again, that it must be the last thing you put on (if your foundation includes proper SPF then that can go on after).

from paula: ''At what point in your skin care routine should you apply sunscreen? If you are applying several skin-care products the rule is that the last item you apply during the day is your sunscreen. If you apply sunscreen and then apply your moisturizer or an acne product, you could be inadvertently diluting or breaking down the effectiveness of the sunscreen you''ve just applied.''

Ditto - huge Paula Begoun fan. I use Neutrogena sunscreens and also some of her sunscreen products as well - I find her daily non-greasy SPF15 or sheer matte tint SPF20 are good for daily wear on the face.

I am SUPER pale, so I''m very diligent about sunscreen.
 

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Date: 3/20/2009 7:20:57 PM
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I use the Neutrogena (SPF 70?) on my face. I don''t recall if it is the Dry Touch but it does have the Helioplex. On my arms, hand, and legs I use Banana Boat Sport (spf 50) spray just because it is so easy to apply and dries quickly without a greasy feel.

I am in my 50s and when I was a teen I used cocoa butter to get a nice tan. No one back then worried about skin cancer or wrinkles or knew better. Once I hit my late 30s I got smarter and began to use sunscreen. Luckily, I was not a sun worshipper and my skin thus far is wrinkle free.
It makes such a difference if you keep out of the sun or use a good sunscreen. I have always stayed well out of the sun wear sunscreen diligently, now I am in my forties my skin is still tight and * knock on wood* I have no wrinkles yet.
 

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Date: 3/21/2009 2:29:42 PM
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Date: 3/20/2009 7:20:57 PM
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I use the Neutrogena (SPF 70?) on my face. I don''t recall if it is the Dry Touch but it does have the Helioplex. On my arms, hand, and legs I use Banana Boat Sport (spf 50) spray just because it is so easy to apply and dries quickly without a greasy feel.

I am in my 50s and when I was a teen I used cocoa butter to get a nice tan. No one back then worried about skin cancer or wrinkles or knew better. Once I hit my late 30s I got smarter and began to use sunscreen. Luckily, I was not a sun worshipper and my skin thus far is wrinkle free.
It makes such a difference if you keep out of the sun or use a good sunscreen. I have always stayed well out of the sun wear sunscreen diligently, now I am in my forties my skin is still tight and * knock on wood* I have no wrinkles yet.
It''s funny, lots of people ask me if I had any professional skin treatments because they can''t believe I haven''t any wrinkles. I tell them about my own personal skin care regime and then they look at me as if they don''t believe me when I tell them I use Avon skincare products. Well, they''re not expensive, but they work for me.

You know everyone also forgets about their hair and the sun. When I garden I have a lightweight safari hat and is very long in the back. It protects my hair and the back of my neck as well as my face. I use semi-permanent haircolor and my haircolor never looks faded in the summer. I never tries the sprays that state they give your hair spf protection and I don''t know if they truly work.
 

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I''ve had relatively good luck with Jan Marini Daily Face Protectant (SPF30). I have the same burning/itching issue that Hudson has, and while sunscreen (avoiding my eyelids) can work great for a day or two, I always break out after that.

Brazen irish hussy posted about colorescience powder sunscreen awhile back, and I''ve been meaning to try it ever since. Haven''t invested in it yet, though. It sounds like a perfect solution, to me.
 

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Date: 3/20/2009 8:38:22 PM
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HI:

I also use Vichy alone, which contains Mexoryll; and it is a superior sunscreen (UVA/B). Just not my opinion.....all the research......

Neutrogena's product uses Helioplex--another broad specturm suncreen (UVA/B)-- is nice for the face b/c it is the 'Dry Touch' formulation that makes it very user friendly under makeup. Almost like a primer. As a rule I use Vichy, but when I needed an 'out and about' face product under my makeup, I used Neutrogena.

Many products are gooey/tacky/oily on the face, but the DT is not. And no, I do not work for Neutrogena!

P.S. Neutrogena can be purchased almost anywhere.

cheers--Sharon
Ditto, I have Vichy and La Roche Posay for sunscreen; I stocked up when I was in Europe. Finally the FDA approved La Roche Posay SPF 15 here but I wish we got the 50; I just buy it through the internet since it covers both UVA and UVB like you noted.
 

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Date: 3/23/2009 3:43:52 PM
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Date: 3/20/2009 8:38:22 PM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

I also use Vichy alone, which contains Mexoryll; and it is a superior sunscreen (UVA/B). Just not my opinion.....all the research......

Neutrogena''s product uses Helioplex--another broad specturm suncreen (UVA/B)-- is nice for the face b/c it is the ''Dry Touch'' formulation that makes it very user friendly under makeup. Almost like a primer. As a rule I use Vichy, but when I needed an ''out and about'' face product under my makeup, I used Neutrogena.

Many products are gooey/tacky/oily on the face, but the DT is not. And no, I do not work for Neutrogena!

P.S. Neutrogena can be purchased almost anywhere.

cheers--Sharon
Ditto, I have Vichy and La Roche Posay for sunscreen; I stocked up when I was in Europe. Finally the FDA approved La Roche Posay SPF 15 here but I wish we got the 50; I just buy it through the internet since it covers both UVA and UVB like you noted.
I have LRP (50 or something) and while I know it is technically great, it is FAR too greasy/thick for everyday wear. I definitely use it if I''m going to be in full sun for a day (beach, sports outside, etc) but found it impossibly sticky and greasy for wearing to work etc.
 

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Date: 3/23/2009 5:02:07 PM
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Date: 3/23/2009 3:43:52 PM
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Date: 3/20/2009 8:38:22 PM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

I also use Vichy alone, which contains Mexoryll; and it is a superior sunscreen (UVA/B). Just not my opinion.....all the research......

Neutrogena''s product uses Helioplex--another broad specturm suncreen (UVA/B)-- is nice for the face b/c it is the ''Dry Touch'' formulation that makes it very user friendly under makeup. Almost like a primer. As a rule I use Vichy, but when I needed an ''out and about'' face product under my makeup, I used Neutrogena.

Many products are gooey/tacky/oily on the face, but the DT is not. And no, I do not work for Neutrogena!

P.S. Neutrogena can be purchased almost anywhere.

cheers--Sharon
Ditto, I have Vichy and La Roche Posay for sunscreen; I stocked up when I was in Europe. Finally the FDA approved La Roche Posay SPF 15 here but I wish we got the 50; I just buy it through the internet since it covers both UVA and UVB like you noted.
I have LRP (50 or something) and while I know it is technically great, it is FAR too greasy/thick for everyday wear. I definitely use it if I''m going to be in full sun for a day (beach, sports outside, etc) but found it impossibly sticky and greasy for wearing to work etc.
HI:

I hear you. This tends to be my routine also--if I am in full sun as you describe then I wear the LRP or Vichy. It works fabulously. But after I shower and am out and about, I use the Neurtogena Dry Touch. Just a nicer feel wihtout the oil slick type feeling.

Guess one needs more than a single product!

cheers--Sharon
 

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i use oil of old lady (olay) daily moisturizer with spf 15, and then clinque or another tinted moisturizer/sunblock spf 15-25. I looove my freckles so i do try to get some sun to pop them out, and the protect them!
 

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I also am a Paula Begoun fan and use her sunscreen too. What I am using and loving right now is the lotion for oily skin but it also has sunscreen and antioxidants in it. I am not sure of the exact name.
 

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I am usually a luxury brand person for skincare, but the best sunscreen that I have ever used, especially for sensitive facial skin, is Coppertone Oil-Free. I like the SPF 15 or 30 - it is featherweight light, absorbs to a matte finish, and doesn''t break me out AT ALL or irritate my sensitive skin, which usually stings when I use sunblock. it also doesn''t have that nasty sunblock smell, and it costs less than $10. I try so many premium brand oil-free moisturizers with sunscreen, and none of them are nearly as good as this.
 

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i use a tinted moisturizer with spf 30 in it. change brands, but i want to try laura mercier: link, there''s also an oil free one: link. i''ve heard so many good things about the laura mercier ones.
 

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It''s just not feasible to apply sunblock over foundation. Because I use custom blend foundation, it does not contain sunblock in the formula because it would affect the chemical mix-up and color. So my routine is toner, primer, Prescriptives moisturizer that has sunscreen (SPF 15), and then Px''s all weather friend SPF 40, and then my makeup. On my body I have used Neutrogena''s Dry-Touch and been happy with it, but I''m currently experimenting with Aveeno''s sunblock with photobarrier.
 

Elmorton

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Supposedly my BE foundation (powder) has a 15 SPF - I tried finding something as a moisturizer that I like last spring and ended up spending a bunch of money on products I didn''t like so I gave up!
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I tried (and greatly disliked) Clinique Cityblock - it''s really thick, but I do use it when I''m going golfing or something because it''s oil-free, but I just can''t wear that every day. I like other Clinique Sunscreens (the spray one is AWESOME; DH and I use it whenever we''re going to be in the sun during summer or vacay, but that''s off-topic).
 
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