Colin Powell Endorses Obama!

[trillionaire]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM

Author: thing2of2

To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell''s ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan''s ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn''t think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don''t think Farkhaan''s endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.


But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

If Obama is the Messiah, I am NOT voting for him. I like my church and state separated, thank you very much!

I say Thanks, but no Thanks to a Messiah President.

 

[ksinger]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:20:42 PM
Author: trillionaire



According to the Frontline documentary, Bush's War, which I thought was pretty fair, he was lied to about the report that he defended at the UN. He was very suspicious, but trusted that he wouldn't be lied to and thrown under the bus. Those who wanted the war knew that they could use his credibility to advance their cause, so they did. That is not to say that they didn't believe that there were WMD's, it seems that they thought they find them when they go there. No such luck. Colin Powell was a military man, someone who is taught to trust the chain of command. But watch the documentary and draw your own conclusions, it is really eye opening. And loooooong....

I will Trillionaire, because that was one of the things that really irked me about Powell - that he WOULD and DID, against public statements to the contrary, repeat the mistake of Vietnam, and lend his credibility to it. Perhaps I've judged him without a full picture of the situation...

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM

Author: thing2of2

To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell's ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan's ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn't think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don't think Farkhaan's endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.


But still, (and I'm not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is 'Messiah' like. I guess I just don't want to be a 'member' of that club.

Hmm...that would be like one of us saying that we don't like diamonds just because Louis Farrakhan admitted to liking diamonds.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:23:24 PM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM

Author: thing2of2

To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell''s ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan''s ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn''t think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don''t think Farkhaan''s endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.

But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

If Obama is the Messiah, I am NOT voting for him. I like my church and state separated, thank you very much!

I say Thanks, but no Thanks to a Messiah President.

Hahaha-ditto! In fact, I don''t even want a president who thinks God talks to him. Oh wait...I mean, I don''t want ANOTHER president who thinks God talks to him!

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:30:12 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM

Author: thing2of2

To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell''s ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan''s ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn''t think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don''t think Farkhaan''s endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.

But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

Hmm...that would be like one of us saying that we don''t like diamonds just because Louis Farrakhan admitted to liking diamonds.

Hahaha-true!

 

[E B]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:30:12 PM
Author: MoonWater

Hmm...that would be like one of us saying that we don't like diamonds just because Louis Farrakhan admitted to liking diamonds.

No kidding.

 

[VRBeauty]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM
Author: beebrisk

Understood. I don''t think Farkhaan''s endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.

But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

If I chose to disassociate myself with a candidate just because they are endorsed by someone I don''t respect, I''d soon run out of candidates to support! Some people have earned more credibility than others, so their endorsements count more. That said, for me personally endorsements probably do sway me in the primaries; in a crowded field, they help me figure out who is worth looking into more seriously. At this point endorsements in this particular race aren''t useful to me, but I happen to hope that this one will be helpful to somebody out there.

My respect for Colin Powell has not changed. We have all learned more about the conditions that led to war, and the reasons and the state of planning for the original incursion as war, as time has progressed. I am reassured when leaders are willing to assess and react to the current situation rather than dogmatically sticking to their original plan despite changing circumstances. That''s one reason charges of "flip-flopping" cannot be taken on face value but have to be examined. In any event, Secretary Powell was pretty much drummed out of the Bush administration, if I recall.

Not that my endorsement counts for anything, but I''m pleased to announce my wholehearted support for the budding ATW non-snarkiness movement!

 

[trillionaire]

More fromPowell:

Powell continued, defending Obama against McCain''s latest charge that the Democrat''s policies are quasi-socialist:

We can''t judge our people and hold our elections on that kind of basis. Yes, that kind of negativity troubled me. And the constant shifting of the argument, I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis the campaign said ''we''re going to go negative,'' and they announced it. ''We''re going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.'' Now I guess the message this week is we''re going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there''s nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying les, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that I don''t think is accurate.

Asked whether he still considers himself a Republican, Powell responded, "Yes."

 

[sklingem]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:42:13 PM
Author: trillionaire
More fromPowell:


Powell continued, defending Obama against McCain''s latest charge that the Democrat''s policies are quasi-socialist:


We can''t judge our people and hold our elections on that kind of basis. Yes, that kind of negativity troubled me. And the constant shifting of the argument, I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis the campaign said ''we''re going to go negative,'' and they announced it. ''We''re going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.'' Now I guess the message this week is we''re going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there''s nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying les, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that I don''t think is accurate.


Asked whether he still considers himself a Republican, Powell responded, ''Yes.''

THANK YOU GEN. POWELL !!!!!

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:44:26 PM
Author: rob09

Date: 10/19/2008 5:42:13 PM

Author: trillionaire

More fromPowell:



Powell continued, defending Obama against McCain''s latest charge that the Democrat''s policies are quasi-socialist:



We can''t judge our people and hold our elections on that kind of basis. Yes, that kind of negativity troubled me. And the constant shifting of the argument, I was troubled a couple of weeks ago when in the middle of the crisis the campaign said ''we''re going to go negative,'' and they announced it. ''We''re going to go negative and attack his character through Bill Ayers.'' Now I guess the message this week is we''re going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama is now a socialist, because he dares to suggest that maybe we ought to look at the tax structure that we have. Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to those who pay them, in roads and airports and hospitals and schools. And taxes are necessary for the common good. And there''s nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is or who should be paying more or who should be paying les, and for us to say that makes you a socialist is an unfortunate characterization that I don''t think is accurate.



Asked whether he still considers himself a Republican, Powell responded, ''Yes.''

THANK YOU GEN. POWELL !!!!!

I second that!

 

[goobear78]

I thought Powell''s interview was powerful to watch. His statement below about the questions of Obama being a Muslim, hit home for me. Here''s the quote I''m talking about. I got teary when he talked about Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan.

"I''m also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he''s a Christian. He''s always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer''s no, that''s not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He''s a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son''s grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn''t have a Christian cross, it didn''t have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I''m troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions."

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:23:24 PM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM


Author: thing2of2


To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell''s ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan''s ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn''t think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don''t think Farkhaan''s endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.



But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

If Obama is the Messiah, I am NOT voting for him. I like my church and state separated, thank you very much!

I say Thanks, but no Thanks to a Messiah President.

Farrakhan made a speech last week. He said "When Obama speaks, the Messiah is absolutely speaking." I beieve Farrakhan is a very dangerous man. A racist and anti-Semite. I hope he''s as irrelevant as I think he is. Still, hearing those words come out of the mouth of a man standing in front of his followers is bone chilling.

 

[onedrop]

There are just so many comments I could respond to...but I just don't have the energy. But really, how/why would Farrakhan's name come up in all of this? The two (Farrakhan and Powell) are NOTHING alike, and are so not on the same page politcally. Sheesh.

The main reason I am excited for this endorsement is that I respect Gen. Powell. He is an accomplished and intelligent man, so I am not reveling in the fact that he is in the GOP and is now supporting Obama. What impressed me about his support of Obama are the salient points that he made for coming to this decision. Clearly he took time to think about his decision.

ETA: parenthetical reference.

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:18:48 PM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk


But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

What club? The ''People who respect Farrakhan for Obama!'' club? I''d guess most Obama supporters would agree with you.

Like I said, it may not outwardly make sense.

I believe Farrakhan is an evil man. He is an admitted anti-Semite and racist. I cannot knowingly vote for anyone he would endorse. I do not for one second believe that most Obama''s supporters side with Farrakhan. Nor do I believe Obama holds those same views. Not for a second. But I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he is.

It would be a little like voting for a guy Hitler likes. Just can''t do it.

I don''t think he did Obama any favors by endorsing him.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 10/19/2008 6:10:32 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:23:24 PM

Author: trillionaire

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM


Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM



Author: thing2of2



To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell's ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan's ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn't think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don't think Farkhaan's endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.




But still, (and I'm not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is 'Messiah' like. I guess I just don't want to be a 'member' of that club.

If Obama is the Messiah, I am NOT voting for him. I like my church and state separated, thank you very much!

I say Thanks, but no Thanks to a Messiah President.

Farrakhan made a speech last week. He said 'When Obama speaks, the Messiah is absolutely speaking.' I beieve Farrakhan is a very dangerous man. A racist and anti-Semite. I hope he's as irrelevant as I think he is. Still, hearing those words come out of the mouth of a man standing in front of his followers is bone chilling.

Farrakhan, a controversial figure, is hardly a scary one. He is an old talking head. He is health looks really poor in the last speaking appearances that I have seen photo/video of. My father and brother attended the million man march, spearheaded by Farrakhan. They (my dad and brother) are Christian men, and they went with other Christian men from our church. Men (Farrakhan) are capable of doing and saying both wonderful and terrible things. We owe it to ourselves to view public figures as more than one dimensional. I can't recall anything that Farrakhan has done in my lifetime that would make me think he was scary. He has, however, said crazy things. Enough to make me not respect his opinion on much, but not enough to illicit "fear".

Further, I can say that John McCain is the Messiah, it does not make him so, anymore than Farrakhan saying it does. I will admit my ignorance of Islam, but I know that they considered Jesus a prophet, not "the messiah" as Christians do. So, it seems to me, he is calling him a Prophet. Or maybe they are expecting a Messiah to come back? I really have no idea. Maybe some can weigh in on that?

Also, as to your Hitler comment, if a KKK leader says he is voting for McCain because he is white, are you then going to vote against McCain because of bad company? I think as Americans we are intelligent enough to separate the fact that people will support a candidate for a variety of reasons, some good and some bad. FWIW, I'd hardly think that Hitler would be voting Obama, so you might want to switch your vote

sorry, this is getting pretty off topic.

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 10/19/2008 5:30:12 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:02:30 PM


Author: thing2of2


To clarify: I was saying that comparing Powell''s ENDORSEMENT with Farakhan''s ENDORSEMENT was ridiculous. Obviously comparing the men themselves is even more ridiculous, and I didn''t think anyone was doing that.

Understood. I don''t think Farkhaan''s endorsement holds a whole lotta weight with most people.



But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

Hmm...that would be like one of us saying that we don''t like diamonds just because Louis Farrakhan admitted to liking diamonds.

I don''t think that''s a correct analogy Moon but I will say that no one...not even Farrakhan could change my mind about diamonds!

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM
Author: beebrisk
I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he (Farrakhaan) is.

Despite his general political & religious views ... do you think he''s FOR child abuse, or FOR rape? I''d bet that, whether you realize it or not, you already are on the same side of MANY issues.

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 10/19/2008 6:45:16 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM

Author: beebrisk

I never want to feel like I'm on the same side of any issue as he (Farrakhaan) is.

Despite his general political & religious views ... do you think he's FOR child abuse, or FOR rape? I'd bet that, whether you realize it or not, you already are on the same side of MANY issues.

Farrakahn is head of the Nation of Islam. Since Islamic law punishes the woman for rape (unless their are 4 male witnesses), God only know what side he is on. Honestly, I don't care what side he is on. I do believe he is ultimately irrelevant. At least I hope so. I did state that my reason may not make "intellectual" sense. It is, to a great extent, emotional. I'm Jewish and I'm pretty sure Mr Farrakhan wouldn't give me the time of day. And I'd like to do the same in return, so I won't be invoking his name again.

 

[goobear78]

Just a friendly reminder that this topic is about Colin Powell.

It''s so easy to get distracted but please let''s all try and stay on topic!

So on topic, does anyone else find Gen. Powell kinda hot? Umm, maybe it''s just me. LOL.

 

[risingsun]

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:18:48 PM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk


But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

What club? The ''People who respect Farrakhan for Obama!'' club? I''d guess most Obama supporters would agree with you.

Like I said, it may not outwardly make sense.

I believe Farrakhan is an evil man. He is an admitted anti-Semite and racist. I cannot knowingly vote for anyone he would endorse. I do not for one second believe that most Obama''s supporters side with Farrakhan. Nor do I believe Obama holds those same views. Not for a second. But I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he is.

It would be a little like voting for a guy Hitler likes. Just can''t do it.

I don''t think he did Obama any favors by endorsing him.

Beebrisk~I truly cannot understand your reasoning. I am Jewish and abhor Farrakhan. His opinion on Obama would not influence my vote in the slightest. There are, no doubt, some equally dubious supporters of McCain. What does that have to do with the candidates themselves--as long as the candidates reject and denounce these so-called supporters.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 10/19/2008 7:08:28 PM
Author: goobear78
Just a friendly reminder that this topic is about Colin Powell.

It''s so easy to get distracted but please let''s all try and stay on topic!


So on topic, does anyone else find Gen. Powell kinda hot? Umm, maybe it''s just me. LOL.

HAHA! I told SO that if I didn''t respect the sanctity of marriage, I would leave him for Powell! I heart intelligent men, and he looks fantastic for his age!

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/19/2008 7:08:28 PM
Author: goobear78
Just a friendly reminder that this topic is about Colin Powell.

It''s so easy to get distracted but please let''s all try and stay on topic!

So on topic, does anyone else find Gen. Powell kinda hot? Umm, maybe it''s just me. LOL.

Um...yeah, it''s just you!

Obama *himself* on the other hand...

But you''re right-this is about Powell! I will admit that I''m impressed with how young Powell looks-he''s 71!

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 10/19/2008 7:37:27 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 10/19/2008 7:08:28 PM

Author: goobear78

Just a friendly reminder that this topic is about Colin Powell.

It''s so easy to get distracted but please let''s all try and stay on topic!


So on topic, does anyone else find Gen. Powell kinda hot? Umm, maybe it''s just me. LOL.

Um...yeah, it''s just you!

Obama *himself* on the other hand...

But you''re right-this is about Powell! I will admit that I''m impressed with how young Powell looks-he''s 71!

You can have Obama... I''m sticking with Powell!

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:18:48 PM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk


But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

What club? The ''People who respect Farrakhan for Obama!'' club? I''d guess most Obama supporters would agree with you.

Like I said, it may not outwardly make sense.

I believe Farrakhan is an evil man. He is an admitted anti-Semite and racist. I cannot knowingly vote for anyone he would endorse. I do not for one second believe that most Obama''s supporters side with Farrakhan. Nor do I believe Obama holds those same views. Not for a second. But I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he is.

It would be a little like voting for a guy Hitler likes. Just can''t do it.

I don''t think he did Obama any favors by endorsing him.

When I read this post and this statement, I couldn''t help but wonder who Hitler would vote for in this election if he were alive?

 

[ksinger]

Date: 10/19/2008 7:48:22 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:18:48 PM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM

Author: beebrisk


But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

What club? The ''People who respect Farrakhan for Obama!'' club? I''d guess most Obama supporters would agree with you.

Like I said, it may not outwardly make sense.

I believe Farrakhan is an evil man. He is an admitted anti-Semite and racist. I cannot knowingly vote for anyone he would endorse. I do not for one second believe that most Obama''s supporters side with Farrakhan. Nor do I believe Obama holds those same views. Not for a second. But I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he is.

It would be a little like voting for a guy Hitler likes. Just can''t do it.

I don''t think he did Obama any favors by endorsing him.

When I read this post and this statement, I couldn''t help but wonder who Hitler would vote for in this election if he were alive?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Please PLEASE!! NO Hitler!!! Please.....?

 

[trillionaire]

Just the beginning:

In the immediate aftermath of his appearance on Meet The Press, several prominent GOP officials - ranging from the established to the extreme - defined the announcement more by skin color than ideology.

The most crass interpretation came from talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, who wrote the Politico''s Jonathan Martin the following:

"Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race... OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I''ll let you know what I come up with."

Around the same time, esteemed conservative columnist George Will was also explaining Powell''s decision as part of a larger, more psychological sway that Obama held over other African Americans."

There will be "some impact," Will declared. "And I think this adds to my calculation -- this is very hard to measure -- but it seems to me if we had the tools to measure we''d find that Barack Obama gets two votes because he''s black for every one he loses because he''s black because so much of this country is so eager, a, to feel good about itself by doing this, but more than that to put paid to the whole Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson game of political rhetoric."

I guess neither of them WATCHED the interview, in which clear arguments were laid out...

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 10/19/2008 7:48:22 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM

Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:18:48 PM

Author: EBree

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM


Author: beebrisk



But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

What club? The ''People who respect Farrakhan for Obama!'' club? I''d guess most Obama supporters would agree with you.

Like I said, it may not outwardly make sense.


I believe Farrakhan is an evil man. He is an admitted anti-Semite and racist. I cannot knowingly vote for anyone he would endorse. I do not for one second believe that most Obama''s supporters side with Farrakhan. Nor do I believe Obama holds those same views. Not for a second. But I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he is.


It would be a little like voting for a guy Hitler likes. Just can''t do it.



I don''t think he did Obama any favors by endorsing him.

When I read this post and this statement, I couldn''t help but wonder who Hitler would vote for in this election if he were alive?

Miracles,
I simply used that as an analogy to express what I was feeling.
I''m not sure what you are implying here, but it can be construed as offensive. At least to me.
This thread is now way off topic.
Let''s skip Hitler, please. This is supposed to be about Powell endorsing Obama.
If I took it off course, I''m sorry, this is not someplace we need to go.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 10/19/2008 8:15:08 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 7:48:22 PM

Author: miraclesrule

Date: 10/19/2008 6:19:23 PM


Author: beebrisk

Date: 10/19/2008 5:18:48 PM


Author: EBree

Date: 10/19/2008 5:10:44 PM



Author: beebrisk




But still, (and I''m not saying this even makes intellectual, rational sense) I would have a hard time voting for the first guy Farrakhan has ever endorsed for president and the man he says is ''Messiah'' like. I guess I just don''t want to be a ''member'' of that club.

What club? The ''People who respect Farrakhan for Obama!'' club? I''d guess most Obama supporters would agree with you.

Like I said, it may not outwardly make sense.



I believe Farrakhan is an evil man. He is an admitted anti-Semite and racist. I cannot knowingly vote for anyone he would endorse. I do not for one second believe that most Obama''s supporters side with Farrakhan. Nor do I believe Obama holds those same views. Not for a second. But I never want to feel like I''m on the same side of any issue as he is.



It would be a little like voting for a guy Hitler likes. Just can''t do it.





I don''t think he did Obama any favors by endorsing him.

When I read this post and this statement, I couldn''t help but wonder who Hitler would vote for in this election if he were alive?

Miracles,

I simply used that as an analogy to express what I was feeling.

I''m not sure what you are implying here, but it can be construed as offensive. At least to me.

This thread is now way off topic.

Let''s skip Hitler, please. This is supposed to be about Powell endorsing Obama.

If I took it off course, I''m sorry, this is not someplace we need to go.

Bee: All she is saying is that if Hitler were here today, due to his hatred of people of the non-aryan race, he would likely vote/endorse McCain. So would you then vote for Obama just because someone you hated endorsed the candidate you liked? You said that you couldn''t vote for someone who was endorsed by Farkaan because you didn''t want to believe you were on the same side of issues, she was just giving what you said a different spin to point out that there are other horrible people who likely would/do endorse your candidate, but that doesn''t mean you are changing your vote.

She didn''t mean anything offensive by it.

 

[ChargerGrrl]

I wasn''t able to watch MTP this morning, but i just read thru the program transcript.

I received these "takeaways" in an email from a close friend, and found myself in total agreement with his POV:

McCain is unsure how to deal with economic problems.

Palin is not ready…this goes to McCain’s judgment.

Biden is ready on day one.

McCain campaign tactics are not central to the issues.

McCain campaign is too narrow.

Obama meets the standard of a transformational leader.

Obama reaches out to our overseas Allies.

Obama’s way of doing business will serve us well.

Yahoo for Gen. Powell!

 

[swimmer]

Nice analysis Charger.

Can we agree to leave genocide perpetrators out of discussion (does that need to be added to the anti-snark platform)? Offensive on so many levels, also Hitler and Pope Pious XII were close allies, so lets try to stay away from that line of discussion.
Um, watching Family Guy, Stewie was just dressed as Hitler with a McCain Palin button on his lapel, how weird.