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As a clinical psychologist, I agree with this and find it offensive.
Just being honest. Didn't mean to personally offend.
As a clinical psychologist, I agree with this and find it offensive.
My girl is going to prefer that i build a clinical practice over 5% sparkle she has no idea isn't even there. She isn't the type to go digging into the specs of a diamond. She will see excellent on the grading report and think everyone here is likely cooked. She came from wealth. Totally shuns it. The more likely senario is that she is going to flip her lid that i spent so much money.
I just don't know. I worked in the bicycle industry for alot of years. And i know the people on the bicycle forums are the 0.1 percent of the hyper geeks who only ever read specs....have owned like 2 bikes and rarely...rarely understand the reality of working day to day with 5 or 6 $20,000 bicycles day in day out for years. You guys have seen in person what 10, 20, 50 diamonds? The guys at the shop have seen 20 a day...every day....for 20 years.
I looked at about 10 different diamonds in a few different stores....i couldn't tell the difference between any of them I don't know what to tell you. I like the guy and his son, i like building relationships with people. 32.5 vs 34 degree crown angle...59% table vs 57% table? If a guy came into the bikeshop adamant that when he test rode two bikes he could tell the difference between a 72 degree headtube angle and a 73.5 degree headtube angle. I would know he was a complete mental patient.
I'll talk to the guy at the diamond store but i think there is recourse to think you people are too persnickety. I'll even show him this thread if he wants to look. Why would the guy who runs the business with his son, risk his 5 star google rating to sell people dull diamonds.
Long story short at this point i don't know who to trust. And im flat out not ordering online. Not interested.
Oh...i wouldn't worry about the car. Her parents bought us a Porsche Macan. The 0-60 is respectable.
As a clinical psychologist, I agree with this and find it offensive.
Hmmm. The thing is - I don't really care if she came from wealth or not. That's not the problem here. Don't care what car you drive. And I'm guessing you're dealing with a jeweler - not a person specializing in diamonds. Anyone here could tell you the difference between a jeweler and a diamond expert - and it's a lot.
You're allowed to make whatever mistakes you want - and good luck to you. And perhaps, as you say, neither you nor your girl are able to tell the difference between an ideal cut diamond and one that sits somewhere around 'ordinary-to-pleasant'. And if that's the case - no skin off your nose, granted.
However, probably best not to come ask for help and waste our time if anything less than a pat on the head and oohs and aahs is going to offend you. And pissing contests always make a person look ridiculous.
Good luck to you and best wishes going forward.
Pissing contests make people look ridiculous? I think you missed the irony. Isn't that all this place is?
Pissing contests make people look ridiculous? I think you missed the irony. Isn't that all this place is?
You really arent making yourself look better with this behavior. You didnt want to do the work to find an ideal diamond, which is absolutely fine. But rather than admitting that truth, you decided to attack and belittle.
Hello @SirWankalot, let me suggest and provide a highly regarded jewelry diamond expert in Melbourne. Maybe too far away from you physically, but you can chat on the phone and talk? You can maybe even share info with him and see what he has in stock? He’s the guy who invented the HCA online grading system, Garry Holloway! Here’s his website: https://www.hollowaydiamonds.com.au/about/garry-holloway/
Hope this kind suggestion will be helpful.
One more comment @SirWankalot - I am sure once you have the Diamond in hand why not get a 2nd opinion from someone other than your jeweler? It would make sense and also give you confidence in your purchase so go ask (or better yet bring the diamond to show him) Garry since you use his HCA tool! You’ll enjoy meeting him and actually ’geek’ out about how he developed the tool which we all use here!
Hopefully, OP may contact Garry anyway to get a second opinion. If things don’t work out, I hope his retailer has a good return policy if he is unsatisfied with his purchase. @SirWankalot it never hurts to get a second opinion and spending $11,000 AUD is a lot of money not to be 100% satisfied! Be sure to ask your jeweler about their return policy...
-C4C
I mean ultimately the HCA tool said it was worth buying?
No. It's HCA score was 3.1. You're looking for a score under 2 - definitely under 2.5. And preferably over 1 - so - between 1 and 2. 3.1 is considered a long way out and puts it outside the range of what is generally considered worth considering.
I mean ultimately the HCA tool said it was worth buying?
@SirWankalot You are now hearing from both a diamond and stone (as in: rocks, not gems) lover here. Geeky, maybe. And: I am also a fellow cyclist who rides and previously raced cyclocross, road, gravel, but mainly cross country. My friends in the real world (not internet) are prior olympians, world champions, world respected custom frame manufacturers, bike shop owners. I have had more boring bike part conversions in my life... so many... decades... but people love these details! It’s a hobby to just be a member of the bike community. Most of my friends don’t have kids because they prefer their bike hobby. It is that serious of a commitment. And: experienced cyclists can “tell the difference in the head tube angle” and you know it. Geometry is a huge factor in cycling. We can tell one more/less chain ring tooth, variance in 5 (or less) mm of stem difference, bottom bracket height, tire grip, etc etc. It’s a bike “snob“ thing... or is it being well educated in your hobby? Liking the feel of a certain brand? It doesn’t make you a pompous wanker to know your stuff in any arena. You talk about these diamond collectors here like they have only seen 50 diamonds? Many of them own hundreds of thousands of dollars in diamonds. Travel worldwide collecting and researching diamonds alongside their other interests. Diamonds are a luxury and a symbol, but to collectors it can be a lifetime passion. Clearly a lot of psychological factors at play. Being a collector is psychologically complicated period. Many of us have deep, complex collections of diamonds and other things. It is our hobby. I also collect art. And in my house: There are also a bunch of different bikes for different uses and they all get used. And: you sound like a very frustrated young man with a lot to prove to someone. And now you have a Macan you didn’t buy yourself and thus you have A whole LOT to prove to some in-laws maybe? You have nothing to prove to us. Go enjoy your bride to be. If the diamond is a dud: trade it up later. It is not your passion. But leave these knowledgeable collectors be if you don’t want their advice, move on. They are just teaching you and the rest of the world reading what makes a truly amazing cut in a diamond. You chose to get something sub-standard by ideal standards and that-is-ok if it pleases you and you seem to expect the bride to be to feel the same. Let us hope. You can be satisfied with what you bought and no one was judging you but you are judging them for their interest, passion and knowledge.
My mate summed it up well. All anyone sees is the size. Just get a big one....
And you are talking about this store like its some chainstore hustling i2 strong flourecense 1 carat diamond rings for $4000 The guy is a specialist diamond broker. The best one in Sydney according to the google reviews.
Not accordring to the little blurb that came up underneath. It said worth buy if the price is right?