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CinnamonTea

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Can someone please help me find a FIC?

I was told to look for higher crown angles, 34.5 and up

FIC with short lgf% (lower girdle facets)

Also I am curious about the range between BIC''s and FIC''s because I know how to find an Ideal-cut stone but I don''t know where the difference lies between the two, even tho it''s obvious it''s in the numbers.

So what do I look for?

And can someone help me?

Whiteflash or Dimend Scassi are places to look.

I am looking for a 0.30 - 0.45 cts Round

G - H - I Color

VS-1 - VS-2 - SI-1 Clarity

Hearts & Arrows Firey Ideal-cut

57% table or less

61.5% depth or less

34.5 crown angle or higher

I prefer a shallower cut stone (it''s for a pendant)
so a shallower cut with a larger spread would be nice.

Any questions/comments are welcome!

Thanks for your help!
 

strmrdr

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crown angles 35 and up with a pavilion angle under 40.6
The shallower the pavilion the higher the crown has to be.
The will most likely be over or around 62% depth.
longer lgf% is needed to help balance the contrast in the stone.
80% or so is a good start.

shallow and FIC dont go together due to the very high crown.
 

strmrdr

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If you want short lgf% and fic get a oec not a RB they arent shallow either.
 

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CinnamonTea

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Okay so I am looking for a deeper stone then to get the more fire correct?

What should I look for as far as depth then? up to 62.9 % as long as the crown angle is high enough?
 

CinnamonTea

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If my assumptions are correct then I think I can make this out:


If I am looking for a stone with alot of fire I need:


Higher crown angles 35.5 and above.

A stone with higher crown angles will give me a higher depth 62% or so.

Is there a way I can find a middle in this:

I want a shallower cut stone with more spread yet I want more fire - seems impossible?

so can I go for a higher crown angle but a larger table which will allow for a smaller depth? or am I wrong here?

I don''t really care if I have to settle for a stone with a smaller spread,
but I do care about depth as i''ve heard several times that deeper cuts donot make great pendant stones.

Based apon this information does anyone agree with me that

FIC are suited for rings and BIC for pendants?

I thought that the stone in my ring was a BIC.

But according to the link you have provided me the crown angle 33.5 puts it in the range of TIC (interesting) just means my stone is nicer then I thought! lol

So scince I want more fire yet I want a larger spread and shallower cut maybe I can find a TIC in the higher ranges closer to FIC that has a crown angle like 34.5-35.5 yet a smaller depth then 62%?

Sooooo much confusing information - Sorry!
 

belle

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you are making this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder than it has to be.
way.
most of the hair splitting differences that you are talking about are not even going to be perceptible, especially in this size stone.
i know it''s fun to slice and dice but it''s not necessary.
 

CinnamonTea

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Uhhh okay I am sorry for being so picky.

I just want to make sure I get a stone that I am going to be happy with.

I don''t want to have to send back the stone to find a diff one.

I want a stone that appears to have a good amount to a large amount of fire.

Yet I don''t want the stone to look tiny?

What''s so wrong with that?
 

belle

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Date: 1/15/2007 7:31:41 PM
Author: CinnamonTea
Uhhh okay I am sorry for being so picky.

I just want to make sure I get a stone that I am going to be happy with.

I don''t want to have to send back the stone to find a diff one.

I want a stone that appears to have a good amount to a large amount of fire.

Yet I don''t want the stone to look tiny?

What''s so wrong with that?
no apology necessary.
we all want the same thing cinnamon tea, i am just telling you from experience that you don''t have to be so hair splitting picky. if you stay in the upper level of diamonds, which most all of the vendors here deal in, you will get a great stone.
it''s that simple. you''re not looking for anything different than what we all want! don''t make it so hard!
 

CinnamonTea

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Yeah but there IS a difference when I have a strict budget.

I most likely can''t afford a BRANDED H&A Ideal-cut which leaves more oppurtunity for mistakes.

Yeah it''s easy to just go pick a Branded stone if money is not an issue,
but when you are limited and can''t afford a branded stone you have to look around and know what you are doing.

I know that you already know this but I don''t think you understand my situation.

You can say I am too picky or hair splitting picky and it''s not neccesary, or whatever you want.

But you need to understand that it''s my stone and I am not williing to sacrafice because you think I am " too picky."

Also I am not neccesarly looking for what you are or anyone else is, I have specifics and don''t want to waist my time.

You shouldn''t be attacking someone because you think they are too picky.
 

JulieN

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belle is one of the most helpful posters here; she isn't attacking anyone.

What is your budget?

Fire is hard to see in small sizes.
 

Finding_Neverland

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Date: 1/15/2007 8:42:14 PM
Author: JulieN
belle is one of the most helpful posters here; she isn''t attacking anyone.




Fire is hard to see in small sizes.
I lurked for a while reading and trying to learn before I registered and said anything on the open Forum.

I have to agree with Julie. Belle is one of THE most helpful people here.

CT,..........

As you call around to Vendors, tell them you''re specifically interested in a FIC. They will know what you mean. Possibly Vendors have a way to sift thru stones based on angles information?? We don''t have that type Search capability in the PS Search Engine.
 

Ellen

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Date: 1/15/2007 7:26:15 PM
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i know it''s fun to slice and dice but it''s not necessary.
Surely you jest.
 

belle

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cinnamon tea, apparently i am not communicating well. i am sorry that my words have come across like i am ''picking'' on you, that is far from my intention. i will bow out of this thread to avoid any further confusion. best of luck in your search!

julie, f_n, thank you for your kind words and understanding.
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 8:42:14 PM
Author: JulieN

Fire is hard to see in small sizes.
I dunno Julie, my first pair of studs at .45 each showed fiery flashes from a fair distance.
 

Finding_Neverland

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Here''s one possibility:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-116813.htm

It''s not over 35 degrees, but it''s close at 34.9 degrees.

Here''s one over 35 degrees:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=955575

And another:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=955577

One right on 35 degrees:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=955565

Another right on 35 degrees:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-114944.htm

Another right on 35:

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=865395

There were a few more but their combo of color and/or clarity threw the prices up around $800-$900. But at least that''s a few for you to look into.
 

canuk-gal

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HI:

CT, by using the "cut quality search" (extra cut info) engine on the homepage here, you may find what you seek. Good luck.

ETA: I believe regularguy used this function when he found the stone he provided the link to....

cheers--Sharon
 

Finding_Neverland

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I just reread Strm''s post about the pavillion angle so a couple of the links I posted may not be viable candidates.

You might have to wait for THE right diamond to come along.
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 8:53:32 PM
Author: Finding_Neverland

As you call around to Vendors, tell them you're specifically interested in a FIC. They will know what you mean. Possibly Vendors have a way to sift thru stones based on angles information?? We don't have that type Search capability in the PS Search Engine.
Not true. See my post above. You CAN sort by crown angles. There's one obvious one, I selected above. Then JA has some others, depending on your budget, with a high crown angle that are also H&A, once you sort, that you may also want to consider,

But...a TIC is nice, and the other points JulieN & Belle here have made are good, too.

(edited to add...for example, here's 2 more from JA, near FIC, and H&A).
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 9:05:31 PM
Author: Ellen



Date: 1/15/2007 8:42:14 PM
Author: JulieN

Fire is hard to see in small sizes.
I dunno Julie, my first pair of studs at .45 each showed fiery flashes from a fair distance.
I have some amazing TIC stones that are .38 that show huge flashes of fire. They are regular ole TIC H&A ACA's.

Sometimes people think they want one thing but they don't even realize what they are looking for. Lots of times people think oh flashes of colored rainbows, yes of course that's what I want in my stone!! Lots of them! That means I want a FIC!

FIC's are cut at the expense of white brilliance in the stone. BIC's are cut at the expense of fire in the stone.

TIC is best of both worlds, lots of brilliance AND fire in the right type of package.

My thoughts. Look for a fabulous TIC (there are tons of them here) rather than narrowing the search to a tiny fragment of what is available because you just want to see flashes of color.
 

Finding_Neverland

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I meant plug in crown/pavillion angles combos and sort stones that way.

But DUH!! > I did think to look at the Cut Quality Search list and read thru the crown and pavillion angles myself.
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 9:26:21 PM
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I did think to look at the Cut Quality Search list and read thru the crown and pavillion angles myself.
Better yet...just click "crown" at the top of the column, and it will sort itself.


BTW...I do agree with Mara. Just, don't drop a nice FIC if you find and like it!
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 9:26:17 PM
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I have some amazing TIC stones that are .38 that show huge flashes of fire. They are regular ole TIC H&A ACA''s.

My thoughts. Look for a fabulous TIC (there are tons of them here) rather than narrowing the search to a tiny fragment of what is available because you just want to see flashes of color.
I agree.

And I wish I had bookmarked a thread where I, cehra and Gary were discussing TIC vs. FIC. Gary said the amount of extra fire in a FIC was small, something like 5%. If I can figure out where it was I''ll post it.
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 9:33:44 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/15/2007 9:26:17 PM
Author: Mara

I have some amazing TIC stones that are .38 that show huge flashes of fire. They are regular ole TIC H&A ACA''s.

My thoughts. Look for a fabulous TIC (there are tons of them here) rather than narrowing the search to a tiny fragment of what is available because you just want to see flashes of color.
I agree.

And I wish I had bookmarked a thread where I, cehra and Gary were discussing TIC vs. FIC. Gary said the amount of extra fire in a FIC was small, something like 5%. If I can figure out where it was I''ll post it.
Try here.
 

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El, were you thinking of this?

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/1-01-k.52723/

CT, Belle really is extremely helpful, she was not being critical, I promise she always tries to help.

A smaller table also contributes more to fire, so looking for a larger table/shallower stone will also work against the fire - by FIC nature the stones tend to be slightly smaller in diameter. As others have mentioned, looking for a well cut TIC would likely be your best option if spread is of the upmost importance to you.
 

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Date: 1/15/2007 9:49:39 PM
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Try here.
Ira, you are a link wizard.
Thanks!
 

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:) Thank you also!

I''ve bookmarked it this time.
 
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