Can someone give me a ballpark price on an OEC?

[dhimer]

Jeweler called saying he is getting an OEC around 1.67carat, J-k carat, SI. He has not received the GIA report yet ( being sent with the stone) and I have not yet seen the stone. I have a viewing appointment tomorrow. At what price point should this stone be so I know where to start for negotiations. Thank you !

 

[lulu_ma]

Jeweler called saying he is getting an OEC around 1.67carat, J-k carat, SI. He has not received the GIA report yet ( being sent with the stone) and I have not yet seen the stone. I have a viewing appointment tomorrow. At what price point should this stone be so I know where to start for negotiations. Thank you !

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Great data for reference points. If you know what you want the Sheffield’s at US Certed Stones can give you some options.

Right now that carat range is @$4751 per carat for J and $4099 for K.

Click on the price list to see the comps.

 

[dhimer]

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Great data for reference points. If you know what you want the Sheffield’s at US Certed Stones can give you some options.

Right now that carat range is @$4751 per carat for J and $4099 for K.

Click on the price list to see the comps.

Thank you. This is a great reference. Trying to find detail to contact Sheffield’s and can’t seem to find. Could you please be so kind as to link them ?

 

[Rfisher]

Not a easy question to answer.
if we were to pretend these two diamonds were same clarity, weight and color - I wouldn’t expect them to be priced the same.

 

[lovedogs]

Not a easy question to answer.
if we were to pretend these two diamonds were same clarity, weight and color - I wouldn’t expect them to be priced the same.

Exactly. For OECs the facet pattern is everything. You need to see it with your own eye or view a high quality video.

 

[dhimer]

Not a easy question to answer.
if we were to pretend these two diamonds were same clarity, weight and color - I wouldn’t expect them to be priced the same.

Exactly. For OECs the facet pattern is everything. You need to see it with your own eye or view a high quality video.

I understand. I just wanted a basic, rough guide to per carat price. It’s easy to find this with modern cuts but much harder with older stones

 

[lulu_ma]

Totally agree with everything @Rfisher and @lovedogs said.

Having just gone through an (exhaustive) search myself I did find that the Sheffield’s were able to get me the most stones to compare. They provided videos on all the finalists. [email protected]

Of course, you can’t go wrong with vendors like Old World Diamonds and Jewels by Grace, too. At the below 2 cts, I hope you will have a lot of options.

Lots of great OEC discussions in PS. PS breeds OEC addiction-at least for me it has

 

[Austina]

Here‘s one Old World Diamonds has, better clarity but similar size.

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[Rfisher]

I’m appreciative OWD seems to be going back to having photos/videos.
but I sure do wish they included head on shots.

 

[Cerulean]

I’m appreciative OWD seems to be going back to having photos/videos.
but I sure do wish they included head on shots.

That is my BIGGEST pet peeve with their images!!!! The side angles only drives me bonkers....

 

[slksapphire]

for the purpose of collecting data, you could look at distinctive gem. he has a couple with similar specs.

 

[lulu_ma]

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[LightBright]

Also, I think price per carat goes up as total carat weight goes up. So a one carat K would cost less per carat than a 3 carat K. Sorry if this is obvious.

 

[dhimer]

Ok I got some details but still haven’t seen in person. Thoughts on it ?

 

[lulu_ma]

Did you get a video? Video is important. You should contact and Dolly and see how much hers is. Her prices are usually very competitive.

63.3% depth has to the potential to be good! One of the OEC experts likes btw 62-65%.

 

[dhimer]

Did you get a video? Video is important. You should contact and Dolly and see how much hers is. Her prices are usually very competitive.

63.3% depth has to the potential to be good! One of the OEC experts likes btw 62-65%.

Those are screenshots from the video ( not able to attach video for some reason). He also said he can bring in this other stone for viewing

 

[Cerulean]

Those are screenshots from the video ( not able to attach video for some reason). He also said he can bring in this other stone for viewing

You can attach a video using Youtube for free and share a link! It's super easy

 

[lulu_ma]

@dhimer video would really help people evaluate the stones

 

[maryjane04]

So price wise from skimming through OWD, it's in the ballpark of 12k give or take for a diamond of those specs.

Good luck! I hope you attach more photos/videos.

 

[dhimer]

Finally figured it out.
here is stone one - 1.4 carat, J

stone 2- 1.5 carat, K

And the 2 stones next to each other

 

[dhimer]

You can attach a video using Youtube for free and share a link! It's super easy

Thank you! Just uploaded

 

[lulu_ma]

You need some expert eyes to weigh in but in the 1.4 ct J too many petals seem to go dark at the same time.

 

[Cerulean]

Im not an old cut expert...but I’m not actually crazy about either, but I like the K more. Agree with @lulu_ma - the J goes too dark in the middle. I’d pass on that for sure.

The K - the facets just seem kinda messy, and not in a charming way to me. The facets are livelier - they go “on and off” at different times which is what you want, but don’t have a pleasing pattern in the center to me. But that is my preference

Do you have a sense of your preferences? There are different style of OECs. Some look more like a snowflake, or a flower, or a checkerboard. Some are older, and may be quirkier and less symmetrical but are more like Old Mine Cuts which can be very charming! Some are more recent - and are closer to “transitional” cuts.

Before deciding between either of these, I’d look at some websites and figure out what looks most pleasing to YOUR eyes. Something I find pleasing, you might not like! Jewels by grace takes great photos! There are also a lot of threads that have images of OECs right here on Pricescope. Is there an example that makes your heart flutter?

 

[Cerulean]

I’m not sure what your budget is, but Grace actually has 3 stones in J color, and between 1.5-1.7 carats and each is about 10k. They aren’t inexpensive but they each have a slightly different flavor of the classic “flower” pattern under the table. My eye is drawn to the 3rd but I couldn’t really explain why - someone with more knowledge might hopefully weigh in!

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1.53ct Old European Cut Diamond, GIA J VS1

A diamond with such gorgeous faceting! Flowery facets under the table twinkle on and off with every movement - just a super bright and lively stone. She would be perfect in any setting chosen.Diamond measures: 7.21 - 7.44 x 4.60 mmGIA Link Here

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[lulu_ma]

@dhimer How do the JBG prices compare to the ones you are looking at?

 

[dhimer]

Im not an old cut expert...but I’m not actually crazy about either, but I like the K more. Agree with @lulu_ma - the J goes too dark in the middle. I’d pass on that for sure.

The K - the facets just seem kinda messy, and not in a charming way to me. The facets are livelier - they go “on and off” at different times which is what you want, but don’t have a pleasing pattern in the center to me. But that is my preference

Do you have a sense of your preferences? There are different style of OECs. Some look more like a snowflake, or a flower, or a checkerboard. Some are older, and may be quirkier and less symmetrical but are more like Old Mine Cuts which can be very charming! Some are more recent - and are closer to “transitional” cuts.

Before deciding between either of these, I’d look at some websites and figure out what looks most pleasing to YOUR eyes. Something I find pleasing, you might not like! Jewels by grace takes great photos! There are also a lot of threads that have images of OECs right here on Pricescope. Is there an example that makes your heart flutter?

Thank you for your feedback. I guess the search is still on. I just came across this type of stone recently from PS boards and fell in love with it I like the flower pattern the most I would say. I will take a look at JBG.

 

[dhimer]

I’m not sure what your budget is, but Grace actually has 3 stones in J color, and between 1.5-1.7 carats and each is about 10k. They aren’t inexpensive but they each have a slightly different flavor of the classic “flower” pattern under the table. My eye is drawn to the 3rd but I couldn’t really explain why - someone with more knowledge might hopefully weigh in!

1.52ct Old European Cut Diamond, GIA J VS2

Such a gorgeous stone! A beautifully-faceted late-cut old European cut diamond with that oft-desired flower facet pattern under the table. Lots of contrast and light play from this bright and white facing stone! She would make for a stunning piece of jewelry - too beautiful to pass up! Diamond...

www.jewelsbygrace.com

1.66ct Old European Cut Diamond, GIA J SI1

Old European stones, to us, are as classic as classic comes. This 1.66ct has a beautiful make, with a very flowery faceting pattern which we love. It is quite the lively stone indeed! Measurements: 7.23 - 7.44 x 4.67 mm GIA report here

www.jewelsbygrace.com

1.53ct Old European Cut Diamond, GIA J VS1

A diamond with such gorgeous faceting! Flowery facets under the table twinkle on and off with every movement - just a super bright and lively stone. She would be perfect in any setting chosen.Diamond measures: 7.21 - 7.44 x 4.60 mmGIA Link Here

www.jewelsbygrace.com

The colors in the video of that last stone Will look at what else I can find there

 

[dhimer]

@dhimer How do the JBG prices compare to the ones you are looking at?

They are about the same. I guess I was looking more “local” because I was weary of being scammed/duped. But seems like there are some reputable online vendors of old stones

 

[lulu_ma]

They are about the same. I guess I was looking more “local” because I was weary of being scammed/duped. But seems like there are some reputable online vendors of old stones

Oh the 1.53 is a beauty. Some of the most beautiful OEC's on PS are from JBG and OWD. Both dealers are very established.

 

[maryjane04]

They are about the same. I guess I was looking more “local” because I was weary of being scammed/duped. But seems like there are some reputable online vendors of old stones

I think reputable in that this is the majority of their work, this is their specialty. There is nothing wrong with looking local if that is what they specialise in. Unfortunately a lot of places sell mainly modern cuts and don't have access or knowledge about old cuts.

It's like going to BMW to ask for a Toyota