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calling OEC experts

Not an expert, but I think that it is very beautiful.

I have been quite enamored with OEC's myself lately -I need to stay off of the forum!:lol: I haven't even finished my last ring and I am already dreaming of an OEC project. :wall:
 
I think the stone is beautiful but I'm not seeing a snowflake or petals pattern in the center and crisp dahlia-like cuts around the table. The cut has consistent sized facets edge to edge which don't serve to define it as a classic OEC for me, if that makes sense. It looks more blocky and geometric, which is okay too. Would this cut have the type of old cut definition you desire? I think that the since both crown and pavillion angles are steep (crown 35, pavillion 42.8) this makes the diameter slightly smaller for the carat weight. And I think you are paying for the clarity here (I can go up to a clean SI1 with no hesitation on an OEC).

These are nitpicky comments, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Each old it is different in both beauty and flaws!
 
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LightBright said:
I think the stone is beautiful but I'm not seeing a snowflake or petals in the center and crisp sunflower cuts around the table. The cut has consistent sized facets edge to edge which don't serve to define it as an OEC for me, if that makes sense. Would this cut have the old cut definition you need? I love the high crown, but I think that makes the diameter slightly smaller for the carat weight. And I think you are paying for the clarity here (I can go up to a clean SI1 with no hesitation on an OEC).
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Thanks LightBright! It looks like a tranny to me? I love the facet pattern. The price is high- and you are right, it's because of the VVS. Which I don't care about- I'm fine with eye clean. I have three rings right now and I really only wear one. My goal is to get a nice size OEC 2.5+ in a stunning halo. I have come to the conclusion that I would sacrifice too much to get to 3 carats (color, cut, etc.)

So I'm looking for a knockout stone in a VC emilya or casablanca. Erica has an amazing upgrade policy, so I will be using her. I just want a killer stone, KWIM? I LOVE this stone, but it's at the TOP of my budget. I think I might have to see it in person to decide.....
 
soxfan said:
Thanks LightBright! It looks like a tranny to me? I love the facet pattern. The price is high- and you are right, it's because of the VVS. Which I don't care about- I'm fine with eye clean. I have three rings right now and I really only wear one. My goal is to get a nice size OEC 2.5+ in a stunning halo. I have come to the conclusion that I would sacrifice too much to get to 3 carats (color, cut, etc.)

So I'm looking for a knockout stone in a VC emilya or casablanca. Erica has an amazing upgrade policy, so I will be using her. I just want a killer stone, KWIM? I LOVE this stone, but it's at the TOP of my budget. I think I might have to see it in person to decide.....
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Yes it does look more like a Tranny to me. And unlike a Classic Tranny this one has a nice high crown and small table. So, best of both worlds... If you love this type of cut then I'd look at it in person. Or, you could wait for an almost 3 carat J with a larger diameter. My only concern with this stone is it's a little small for the carat weight, in addition to the bump in price due to very high clarity. I own a Tranny and the light show is blinding. :)
 
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To be honest, I am not in love with the facet pattern. Wait for her to find you a fabulous one!

Opinions on setting...antique style with an OEC.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
To be honest, I am not in love with the facet pattern. Wait for her to find you a fabulous one!

Opinions on setting...antique style with an OEC.
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Hi DS! What don't you like about it?
 
Nope this stone has totally different numbers to my tranny and most fat arrowed trannys, look at the last photo of it, small flower pattern in the centre, much more like an OEC. IRL it's got a tiny table a nice sized crown and is deep so it's a true OEC not a proper transitional. The pavilion angles and depths are different too.....

I have to agree with DS, not wanting to do Erica a disservice here because she is always amazing and she has great stones but it doesn't do it for me, you would have to get it IRL to see if it does it for you.
 
soxfan said:
Now I know what this stone reminds me of! ArkieB's "charlie!"

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...-2-38-fat-arrowed-tranny-meet-charlie.198656/
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Yes, I think the faceting is reminiscent of Charlie, but, interestingly, the dimensions are very different. Charlie has a 60% table and 37.5% crown angle. This one has a 54% table and 35% crown angle. Pavillion angles are 41% for Charlie and 42.8% for this one. Depth for Charlie is 60% versus 64.3 for this one. It's interesting to me that both achieve similar patterning. Both have dimensions that are a blend of Tranny and OEC, but a quite different blend (large table very high crown on Charlie versus small table highish crown on this one, etc.).

I think what Arkie is saying is that Charlie is a true Transitional and this one you are looking at is more OEC. If Charlie's crown angle is actually 37.5, I would disagree that he's a typical Tranny, since that is an untypically high crown angle for a Tranny, translating to a stone that has a puffier (more gorgeous) crown than is normal for a Tranny.

I would look at this stone in person if you love the patterning. My hesitation is the smaller size diameter for the carat weight and paying a premium for the VVS1 clarity.
 
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Not an expert but the facet pattern looks a bit disorganized to me. It's as though the center are the normal petal like facets but they don't extend under the entire table the way most OECs do. I'm sure Erica gets new stones on the regular so I would definitely wait (I say this bc I'm looking for an antique cushion and although it's so easy to want to pull the trigger on something that's not quite perfect when you're excited, you don't want to regret it afterwards! I'm trying to be patient, too, but it's so hard!)
 
LightBright said:
Yes, I think the faceting is reminiscent of Charlie, but, interestingly, the dimensions are very different. Charlie has a 60% table and 37.5% crown angle. This one has a 54% table and 35% crown angle. Pavillion angles are 41% for Charlie and 42.8% for this one. Depth for Charlie is 60% versus 64.3 for this one. It's interesting to me that both achieve similar patterning. Both have dimensions that are a blend of Tranny and OEC, but a quite different blend (large table very high crown on Charlie versus small table highish crown on this one, etc.).

I think what Arkie is saying is that Charlie is a true Transitional and this one you are looking at is more OEC. If Charlie's crown angle is actually 37.5, I would disagree that he's a typical Tranny, since that is an untypically high crown angle for a Tranny, translating to a stone that has a puffier (more gorgeous) crown than is normal for a Tranny.

I would look at this stone in person if you love the patterning. My hesitation is the smaller size diameter for the carat weight and paying a premium for the VVS1 clarity.
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I know. If this stone was $21,000 it would make my decision a LOT easier. It's a pricey stone.....
 
Geezwiz said:
Can someone explain the calculation to me? To me it reads thin to medium?
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soxfan said:
Hi DS! What don't you like about it?
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I just like a well defined facet pattern and I don't think this one has it. It's a little out of round. But I realize I am pretty picky about cut. A great one is worth waiting for, imo. But seeing them in person is different than pictures, too.
 
No what I am saying is that the stone above might seem in a few pics to have arrows but IRL it will NOT have a facet pattern that looks like the transitional I have. If you put them together in real life they are not going to look like each other. I looked for several years before I found my stone, at a lot of stones. It's not just the numbers, the whole cut and how it's actually going to face up on the hand is different, you would probably have to see the two side by side to fully get it.
 
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No what I am saying is that the stone above might seem in a few pics to have arrows but IRL it will NOT have a facet pattern that looks like the transitional I have. If you put them together in real life they are not going to look like each other. I looked for several years before I found my stone, at a lot of stones. It's not just the numbers, the whole cut and how it's actually going to face up on the hand is different, you would probably have to see the two side by side to fully get it.
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I know what you mean:) Sooooo Erica made me an offer I can't refuse and I'm going to get to see the stone in person to decide. I'm excited! If it's not "the one," I'll wait for her to find me another:) Thank you everyone for your advice and help!!
 
I think it will be a pretty OEC, if you love it then it's meant to be yours!!!
 
arkieb1 said:
I think it will be a pretty OEC, if you love it then it's meant to be yours!!!
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It's very lively. I've been enamored with the checkerboardy OEC's lately I have to at least see it!:lol:
 
Post lots of pics :D
 
Many many pictures please! The colours in the pics on the site are amazing so it must be incredible in person
 
I will post tons of pics!
 
I am glad you are going to see it in person! That truly is the only way to know for sure. If I don't have a strong feeling of LOVE when I first see a diamond, it's not likely that I am going to! Pictures never quite do justice to how they look in reality, so seeing is best!
 
I think mine has a similar facet pattern-- slightly, I don't know, maybe chaotic is the best word, by PS's exacting standards. I can see a difference when it's compared to absolutely perfect OECs in macro view, but in real life, it looks great- sparkles in basically every light, throws tons of colours, and I've never had anything but people oohing and aahing over it.

I went back and forth for a while, debating between slightly better faceting, higher colour, slightly more perfectly round, etc, but in the end, the price was right, the timing was right, and I jumped on this one. I will probably upgrade to closer to 3 at some point, but otherwise I'm totally happy.

I see you're thinking about a pre-loved Emilya-- I would definitely talk to Victor about how much he can adapt both for size and for the fact that the stone isn't perfectly round.

Below, Erica's pics of mine and a few not very good ones by me (under trees in the first, and wearing a neon orange running jacket in the last)

http://www.loveaffairdiamonds.com/sold-2-26ct-old-european-cut-diamond-ags-m-vs2/

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I wish I hated it. But I don't. It's amazeballs. This is a VERY hard decision.:wall::wall::wall:
 
Can I ask, want your old soli nearly this size? Why change?
 
Oh. I completely understand the insanity.

Just because I am the biggest waffler/changer of her mind.....do you think the facet pattern is more important or size is more important? I only ask because you said you wanted to get as close to 3 cts and this one whilst gorgeous isn't much bigger than the one you have.
 
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