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pricescopenewbie

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Never thought I would be interested in Asscher cut. but happened to see Asscher's post of her gorgeous asschmerald ring. after lurking for the whole weekend, i am searching on james allen. I have thought about a pendant project for a while, and have always thought about cushions before. but now i would like to give asscher a shot.

so with all the background story aside, I know nothing about asscher cut and I am here to ask for your kind help. I found a few stones on JA as i listed below. can you tell me if they are yah or nah? or shall i keep looking? any other vendors I should go look?

another question is, as i am trying to keep the $$ under $1000, some are around 0.3-0.5 ct. is that gonna be too small for a pendant?

Please see the stones below. I appreciate it a loooot for your suggestions!
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.41-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3180370
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.36-carat-e-color-si1-clarity-sku-3898810
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-4288126
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.60-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5167073
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.63-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-2429447
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.51-carat-j-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3306017
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.32-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5533008

Thanks again and hope you are all enjoying a great weekend!
 
Yes, .3 is going to be very tiny in an asscher. Since you are looking at smaller stones, I'd not go too low in color because a higher color will show up a little brighter. Rather than look at each individual link, it's easier for me to just look at the site and show you good ones.

My favorite within your budget. It has a wonderful small 55 table with high crown and lovely corners!

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5652842
 
The 0.5, the 0.63, the 0.51 are well cut. But they are not really filmed face on so you need asets for them.
 
pricescopenewbie said:
Please see the stones below. I appreciate it a loooot for your suggestions!
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.41-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3180370
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.36-carat-e-color-si1-clarity-sku-3898810
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-4288126
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.60-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5167073
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.63-carat-k-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-2429447
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.51-carat-j-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3306017
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.32-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5533008

Thanks again and hope you are all enjoying a great weekend!
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Some good performers there, nicely picked! :)

1 and 2 are slightly different to most of the asschers on JA but I think they perform well. The SI1 seems to be very eye-clean, which is a bonus.

3 and 4 perform pretty well when rotating but seem to lack contrast/brightness under the table head-on.

5 seems to lack some brightness but it might just be the lighting/video settings. (JA lighting / video settings seem to not always be completely consistent, which is annoying.)

6 I think looks like it performs well - lively across the stone from all angles, quite high crown so might be good for fire. Seems to have strong contrast patterns and brightness that change as it rotates, so it seems (to me) to be a visually interesting stone.

7 also seems to perform well and be interesting from all angles, although as noted, I don't think it's completely head-on to the camera so an ASET could be useful for that angle.


I actually was doing some window shopping myself with a similar (imaginary :( lol) budget yesterday and found a few that might also fit the bill - see what you think! :)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5652842
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.48-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4528541
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5652825
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.53-carat-k-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4307424

I think these two might be from the same rough crystal (!):
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.51-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-4276996
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.54-carat-f-color-si2-clarity-sku-3181207
(I think this second one might be as Unicorn as @Matthews1127's SI stone!)
 
Thank you all for your suggestions! I am able to narrow down my options with your suggestions. the .41 looks like spreading out pretty well (shallow for its depth, though). it is going to be an issue? i kinda like this one because its face up size is good and the step cut looks bolder than others. can anyone tell me if that is wrong? as I said i know zero about asscher. I can be way wrong.

Thanks Thanks Thanks!
 
It reminds me of the Good Old Gold Signature Asschers:
https://www.goodoldgold.com/diamonds/id/3570230
but with a large table.

If you like fat windmills and chunky facets, that is just fine - there are many different cuts within the Asscher range, it is personal taste which you prefer! :)

It does have quite a low crown so might tend more towards white light return than coloured fire, but the bonus of shopping with JA is that you can assess it at home in the different lighting environments you'd be wearing it in, then decide if you like it or would like to return it!


Have you seen Yoram's vintage asschers? They are a different look but the feedback is that they are amazing :) You might be able to snag one of this pair for your budget!
https://gemconcepts.net/diamond-boutique/pair-slightly-elongated-asscher-cut-diamonds/
 
pricescopenewbie said:
Thank you all for your suggestions! I am able to narrow down my options with your suggestions. the .41 looks like spreading out pretty well (shallow for its depth, though). it is going to be an issue? i kinda like this one because its face up size is good and the step cut looks bolder than others. can anyone tell me if that is wrong? as I said i know zero about asscher. I can be way wrong.

Thanks Thanks Thanks!
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Extremely low crown, very big table on 0.41. I agree it’s an interesting cut to look at and a bigger spread is nice, but I can’t see it performing in real world lighting.
 
If you love it, get an aset for it. Remember that nearly every diamond looks beautiful under video set up, it’s so unusual to see something that looks just wrong that there are threads about these diamonds.
 
Search for the word 'Mildred' to bring up Jimmianne's Yoram vintage asscher thread - there are lots of pics and videos to show how it looks in real life :)

Hers is obviously much larger! but from what others have posted on here (@Matthews1127 re: his asschers and someone else that I can't remember re: his Peruzzi cuts) his cuts still perform amazingly well in smaller sizes, although they are definitely different to the modern cuts.
 
pricescopenewbie said:
hey eveyone kind PSer above:wavey:, with all your kind help i am narrowing down to there 3:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.56-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4388466
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5652825
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5652842

what do you think? I am also looking at gemconcepts. this is starting to be fun!
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I (personally speaking) like the last two, but are you sure on the D?

It seems to lack any real sparkle under the table (at any angle) and looks very grey and washed-out - even accounting for changing lighting and video setups at JA, I'm not sure if it will be a good performer based on that video.

I like the contrast patterning (the dark areas caused by obstruction from the camera, that would be similar to what you'd see when your head was in the way in real life) but apart from that, it just seems... meh :| (to my eyes)

If you are keen, you could ask if they could shoot a better quality video, because it looks out of focus to me.
 
I have a .5 asscher pendant. It's plenty big enough. It's not even particularly well cut and still has plenty presence. Of your latest list, I like #3 followed by #2. The first on the list looks almost watery. I'm not sure what is wrong with it, but I would advice you not to buy that stone (and it looks like the poster above me agrees-- nix it).
 
I like that last one - you could take advantage of the bigger spread to save some budget. Get an aset though!
 
pricescopenewbie said:
oops, I didn't mean to copy paste the 1st diamond in the above post. i was meant to paste the below one. this is what happened when you opened too many tabs at a time lol. thank you all for your suggestions! i requested aset for all 3 of them and i look forward to see them. I appreciate all your great suggestions!
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5652842
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Please ignore the above post i was not very awake when posting this one obviously :sleep:. ok so here are my newest 5 and I would appreciate any suggestions :D:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.54-carat-f-color-si2-clarity-sku-3181207
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.51-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-sku-4276996
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.38-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3180364
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.41-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3180370
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/0.43-carat-d-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-3728409

again i appreciate all of you to allow me to post and update my list many times (aka change mind a million times) and still patiently being with me!
 
No to the 0.38 IMHO - too much obstruction (i.e. dark areas / contrast) showing at once, which would mean that it would likely look that dark when you were viewing it head on in real life. (I think the recommendation usually is to try to avoid all-on/all-off stones like that.)

0.43 may have P3 issues, giving the dark square in the very centre when head-on, but that looks like obstruction to me. @Karl_K would be best to confirm if this pattern represents problems or just obstruction/contrast patterns, but he could only do so from a technical point of view rather than commenting on this particular stone.


I like the higher crown of 0.51 but the inclusion is more noticeable, although it is in line with the facets so may not show up very much IRL.

The 0.54 has a lower crown so may give less fire, but it looks super-clean for an SI2, with the single inclusion in line with the facets and off to one side and away from the table - I think it could be a bargain if it is eye-clean IRL. The stone also seems to look super-clear (to my eyes), which I love personally, but that might just be camera/video setup again.

0.41 has had the potential low crown / low fire / white-light-based return noted previously, but it is a distinctive stone.


For me, and going from what you've said, I'd ask for ASETs on 0.51, 0.54 and 0.41. They will help determine cut accuracy and any leakage head-one, but the videos are more important in understanding how they perform IRL.
 
pricescopenewbie said:
oops, I didn't mean to copy paste the 1st diamond in the above post. i was meant to paste the below one. this is what happened when you opened too many tabs at a time lol. thank you all for your suggestions! i requested aset for all 3 of them and i look forward to see them. I appreciate all your great suggestions!
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.50-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-5652842
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I like the facet patterning on this one but I'm not sure if there's enough white light return from the facets under the table - they are bright but seem to be majoring on returning virtual facet reflections rather than direct reflections. I'm too inexperienced/uneducated to know how it would perform in real life - it could be worthy of inspection if you favour it over the others.


Just to check, how much credit do you have? You could buy 2/3/4 and then return the ones you don't like once you've inspected them at home.
 
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The first thing that came to mind seeing this thread: OK, a pendant, so a broad, bright flash off the stone will do - it isn't that large to be boring without the rich glitter Yoram F. makes. The first on the list fits this bill: www

Then again, it is fun to have a smaller sample of a favorite cut. Perhaps there is a white one like this www around ? Dunno...

2p
 
OoohShiny said:
0.43 may have P3 issues, giving the dark square in the very centre when head-on, but that looks like obstruction to me. @Karl_K would be best to confirm if this pattern represents problems or just obstruction/contrast patterns, but he could only do so from a technical point of view rather than commenting on this particular stone.
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p3 is fine and being an EC it will look a lot larger at this size.
ASET needed to confirm video.
 
Karl_K said:
p3 is fine and being an EC it will look a lot larger at this size.
ASET needed to confirm video.
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Thank you very much, kind sir! :))
 
thank you all so much for giving advice again! i am waiting on the ASET. I ordered ASET before I narrow down my choice so some are not in the final list. and i didnt know you could ONLY request 3 ASET all together. anyway, it will be fun to look at ASET and compare it to the videos. I will update them once I get them.

and BTW, I found these two similar in a lot ways, make me thinking of paring them up for earrings. just post for fun:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.41-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3180370
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/0.36-carat-e-color-si1-clarity-sku-3898810
 
We'll look forward to the ASETs!
 
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