Buying this Tacori, what diamond would you put in it??

[ryebread]

Hello everyone. Im new to this diamond buying experience but have gained quite a bit of knowledge off this site. Im going to be buying my GF the Tacori 2510 engagement ring that comes with .6 ct of GVS2 sides stones. The center stone Im looking at is 1.5 CT. I was looking into DEF VS1-SI1 but not sure it is worth the extra money compared to an G SI1-SI2. Im sort of in a pickle. Could you please give me "your" opinion on what diamond you would put in this ring. And remember whatever diamond it is I dont want any innclusions on the Table. I looked(at report) for a F SI1 1.51 Ct with a HCA of 1.3 for $9000.00 but I really dont trust EGL. Thanks guys.. heres the ring.

 

[Lorelei]

I would look at AGS0 cut grade and amongst GIA Ex cut, and find a diamond that way, and probably look at FG and H VS2 to SI1 or even SI2 clarity if eyeclean. Obviously eyecleanliness is important, the vendors here will be completely honest with you about any visible inclusions, just let them know your comfort level. DEF will cost more as colourless diamonds, it depends on what matters to you most, but an F or G could be a good place to start as they will still look very white.

That is a gorgeous setting!

Did you want a branded hearts and arrows cut, or a non brand excellently cut diamond? This would be useful to know as not everyone wants a branded cut necessarily, that way the Pricescope vets can find you some good contenders!

Also what is your budget for the centre diamond, that way we can search within what you have to spend?

Here are some suggestions until we know what the budget is.

 

[ryebread]

Def Looking for an Ideal cut, prefer non-branded(not paying for the name is im already paying for the name on the cert), want a diamond that has ALOT of fire and brilliance to it, and my budget is $8-$10K. Thanks so so much!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 9:19:00 AM
Author: ryebread
Def Looking for an Ideal cut, prefer non-branded(not paying for the name is im already paying for the name on the cert), want a diamond that has ALOT of fire and brilliance to it, and my budget is $8-$10K. Thanks so so much!

Great thanks! We may have to drop the colour and clarity to get you close to 1.5 cts, perhaps to a G or H colour and SI clarity, but I will see what I can find!

 

[gwendolyn]

What would *I* put in it? Well....I want my diamond to be eyeclean, and would want it to be somewhere around a carat or one and a quarter, and would want it to be a superideal, and as close to colourless as possible with the funds I have.

ETA, oh you added more info, let me keep looking...

 

[Lorelei]

This one is an I colour, but might be well worth considering, well in budget too!! It looks to be eyeclean and Whiteflash would be honest with you. If you like this one, then contact WF as it won't be around for long as a non poster could grab it, especially a great cut in that size and colour - ask Whiteflash to put it on hold while you decide!

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-513829.htm#



This one is a J colour, but may well be eyeclean and has an AGS0 cut grade.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/J-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1122756.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

 

[ryebread]

How would an "I" look next to a ring with "G" side stones? The bands will be G too. Noticeable to the average eye?

 

[gwendolyn]

Date: 2/3/2008 9:27:56 AM
Author: Lorelei
This one is an I colour, but might be well worth considering, well in budget too!!


http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-513829.htm#

Haha, I just refreshed the thread to see if anyone added any diamonds, and this was the one I was going to post. Your lessons are working, methinks, Lorelei!

I thought this one was nice too (I think I might end up with a G myself), but it's over budget: http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-584858.htm

ETA: And not quite one and a half, this one looks good though, in between your G sidestones and the I posted earlier, an H VS2 1.311 cts: http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-584866.htm

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 9:30:31 AM
Author: gwendolyn

Date: 2/3/2008 9:27:56 AM
Author: Lorelei
This one is an I colour, but might be well worth considering, well in budget too!!


http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-513829.htm#

Haha, I just refreshed the thread to see if anyone added any diamonds, and this was the one I was going to post. Your lessons are working, methinks, Lorelei!

I thought this one was nice too (I think I might end up with a G myself), but it's over budget: http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-584858.htm

Heh! Thanks Gwen, I know that is a lot of diamond for the money and someone will pounce on it!! You did good!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 9:30:28 AM
Author: ryebread
How would an 'I' look next to a ring with 'G' side stones? The bands will be G too. Noticeable to the average eye?

Generally experts advise to keep to within 2 colour grades for sidestones, to the best of my knowledge. As this scenario is a little further down the colour scale with 2 grades between near colourless diamonds, then I would think it would definitely be worth asking Whiteflash if they think this particular I colour may work with G sidestones of whatever size they are. Whiteflash would be able to give you their opinion as to how suitable this particular diamond may be and how well the I presents itself. Sometimes a diamond may be considered to look more similar to the colour grade above or below and as such, your vendor can advise. In this case, I would definitely ask them if this diamond would be a good fit for your setting. As the sidestones are G, then I would personally try to stick to I and below for colour, although some J's might be ok, you would need to consider a J diamond carefully with the advice of your expert vendor.

 

[gwendolyn]

Date: 2/3/2008 9:31:46 AM
Author: Lorelei
Heh! Thanks Gwen, I know that is a lot of diamond for the money and someone will pounce on it!! You did good!

Hehe, thanks! You weren''t privy to the train of thoughts in my head while I was doing it, though--I almost bumped my thread where you gave me the numbers for superideals to ask you for clarification because I was reading the pavilion percents as angles, and couldn''t figure out why all the ACAs were out of range! I''m a bonehead.

 

[Lorelei]

Ok, I have found this one too, it is a little deeper with the depth, but it is a lovely diamond nevertheless, and an H colour.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-513831.htm#

And one branded cut, it is very slightly over budget with the PS discount , but it may be worth considering.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-540907.htm

With all SI clarity grades, you can't go by the magnified photos so much to verify if a diamond is eyeclean or not, always check with the vendor. That is also why it is best to stick to in house diamonds that the vendor can grab quickly and let you know.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 9:50:44 AM
Author: gwendolyn

Date: 2/3/2008 9:31:46 AM
Author: Lorelei
Heh! Thanks Gwen, I know that is a lot of diamond for the money and someone will pounce on it!! You did good!

Hehe, thanks! You weren''t privy to the train of thoughts in my head while I was doing it, though--I almost bumped my thread where you gave me the numbers for superideals to ask you for clarification because I was reading the pavilion percents as angles, and couldn''t figure out why all the ACAs were out of range! I''m a bonehead.

 

[gwendolyn]

I don''t mind telling stories of me getting muddled up when I don''t pester anyone as a result. Figured it out all on my own! *pats self on back*

Ok, so GOG has one that''s a little deep but otherwise looks pretty good. It''s an H SI1, 1.34ct For $7824.20 (wire price). Not sure if this link will take you directly to it or my search?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamondResults.php?shape=1&ctMin=1.3&ctMax=1.6&clarity=224&color=60&resultsColumns=268435471

The ones that were at 1.5cts were over budget.

 

[Lorelei]

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4011/

If it is this one Gwen, could be a nice find if eyeclean!

 

[gwendolyn]

OOOH!

James Allen 1.5 G SI1 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1136389.asp

Cut is ideal, table is 55%, depth is 61.1%. Looks good, jah? (Or I am missing something?)

 

[gwendolyn]

Date: 2/3/2008 10:10:18 AM
Author: Lorelei
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4011/


If it is this one Gwen, could be a nice find if eyeclean!

Yup, that was the one! Take a look at the JA one, though, I think that one might be better..?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 10:10:43 AM
Author: gwendolyn
OOOH!

James Allen 1.5 G SI1 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1136389.asp

Cut is ideal, table is 55%, depth is 61.1%. Looks good, jah? (Or I am missing something?)

This looks like a nice diamond, it is on the shallower range for crown and pavillion angles and often these diamonds make great pendant or earring stones, although some may still find it lovely for a ring.
Check this out for more info Gwen, you are doing a great job!

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/ideal.asp

 

[gwendolyn]

Date: 2/3/2008 10:18:34 AM
Author: Lorelei
This looks like a nice diamond, it is on the shallower range for crown and pavillion angles and often these diamonds make great pendant or earring stones, although some may still find it lovely for a ring.

Check this out for more info Gwen, you are doing a great job!


http://diamonds.pricescope.com/ideal.asp

Ahh, ok, I see. I know people talk about HCA scores all the time, but since I'm still working out how the numbers relate, I hadn't gotten to this bit yet (am a bit slow

). Thanks for the link, and being patient with me.

ETA: How can you figure out the HCA if the number at JA don't give the pavilion angle and the crown angle?

Found this one too, what do you think? 1.56 I SI1: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1087038.asp

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 10:25:14 AM
Author: gwendolyn

Date: 2/3/2008 10:18:34 AM
Author: Lorelei
This looks like a nice diamond, it is on the shallower range for crown and pavillion angles and often these diamonds make great pendant or earring stones, although some may still find it lovely for a ring.

Check this out for more info Gwen, you are doing a great job!


http://diamonds.pricescope.com/ideal.asp

Ahh, ok, I see. I know people talk about HCA scores all the time, but since I'm still working out how the numbers relate, I hadn't gotten to this bit yet (am a bit slow

). Thanks for the link, and being patient with me.

ETA: How can you figure out the HCA if the number at JA don't give the pavilion angle and the crown angle?

Found this one too, what do you think? 1.56 I SI1: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1087038.asp

You are most welcome!

To get the crown and pavillion angles, these are normally found on the grading report, so if you click on the JA diamond where it says GIA report/ cert, enlarge it and scroll down to where you will see a diagram of the diamond. The crown and pavillion angles are noted on the diagram.

Ok, for the last diamond you posted, if you look at the crown and pavillion angles, you will see that they are both well into the steep ranges. This is known as a steep/ deep combo which may look dark and leak light, so again further evaluation is advisable with these diamonds.

 

[gwendolyn]

Date: 2/3/2008 10:32:59 AM
Author: Lorelei
You are most welcome!


To get the crown and pavillion angles, these are normally found on the grading report, so if you click on the JA diamond where it says GIA report/ cert, enlarge it and scroll down to where you will see a diagram of the diamond. The crown and pavillion angles are noted on the diagram.

So the diamond that I posted last, the 1.56 I SI1, has a good crown angle (36 degrees) but the pavilion (41.2 degrees) is too big and it should be closer to 40.5?

(Sorry to turn your topic into a tutorial, ryebread--I''m trying to learn how to do this properly

)

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/3/2008 10:38:23 AM
Author: gwendolyn

Date: 2/3/2008 10:32:59 AM
Author: Lorelei
You are most welcome!


To get the crown and pavillion angles, these are normally found on the grading report, so if you click on the JA diamond where it says GIA report/ cert, enlarge it and scroll down to where you will see a diagram of the diamond. The crown and pavillion angles are noted on the diagram.

So the diamond that I posted last, the 1.56 I SI1, has a good crown angle (36 degrees) but the pavilion (41.2 degrees) is too big and it should be closer to 40.5?

(Sorry to turn your topic into a tutorial, ryebread--I'm trying to learn how to do this properly

)

Yes sorry ryebread, but maybe some of this info might help you too!

A diamond with a 36 degree crown angle can work as long as the pavillion angle complements, yes. If you have a play around with the cut advisor, enter different crown and pavillion angles, then that will give you a good idea of which work well together, and after a while you will know which ones are good and which ones are not so good! Generally we see crown angles between 34 and 35 degrees which are normally a good range. Also out of interest, a steep crown angle with a smaller table and complimentary pav angle, can lead to increased fire within a diamond.

 

[gwendolyn]

Ok, let me try again, then!

1.52 H SI1 Ideal cut, depth 60.1%, table 56%, crown angle 32.5, pavilion angle 41.2

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1132249.asp

Better? Unless I'm doing something wrong again..?

ETA: Oh, just read your last post--forgot to check my numbers on the usual crown angles, this one is smaller by a fair bit, and the pavilion is a bit larger than normal. Nevermind!

Searching at WF is much easier; their ACAs make life so easy.