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Buying a 5-6 ct EC online without ASET? Need expert advice, please.

diamondseeker2006 said:
Vendors will call in stones in NY, but they won't necessarily call in stones from India without a financial commitment.
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Yep, so far both ones from JA are in India. I am told to have to pay for them first.

DS, do you have your own ASET scope? Wouldn't it be a good idea?
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
DS - very few large stones like this stay in India for much more than a week. Higher Clarity are in HK, and medium and lower goods (i.e. most) are already in USA
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Very interested insights, Garry! I am looking for lower colors so I would think that they could be in the US...
 
Rockdiamond said:
We're totally on the same page DS!
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Rock & DS, I also agree that I have to see the stone in person under various real/normal light settings to determine if it's a keeper. However, before that, I thought viewing the ASET would help "filter" out the "bad" ones when buying online.

Now that I know ASET is not that commonly available for diamonds in this size, I guess I just have to rely on videos/pictures when buying this way and make sure to buy from vendors with a free return policy.
 
DauphineMucha said:
Rock & DS, I also agree that I have to see the stone in person under various real/normal light settings to determine if it's a keeper. However, before that, I thought viewing the ASET would help "filter" out the "bad" ones when buying online.

Now that I know ASET is not that commonly available for diamonds in this size, I guess I just have to rely on videos/pictures when buying this way and make sure to buy from vendors with a free return policy.
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Why not reach out to a PS recommended vendor like IDJ or WF or BGD etc who would search for diamonds available in the US and would call in the diamond and do the images for you?
 
Dauphine, I usually eliminate those with a lot of black, but one like this one may be the type that Garry referred to as having too much blue in the ASET, and for those he runs a Diamcalc. Because of the probable lack of access of that, I'd probably not put that stone first on my list to call in. By the way, my antique asscher is K, and I have seen at least a couple of large emerald cuts in K color and liked them. But I am not sure about IGI K color (that stone looks like it might be lower than K), so for anything not GIA, you'd probably have to send the stone to an independent appraiser. As they say here, there's always a reason when stones aren't sent to GIA (other than stones cut to ideal proportions which are usually sent to AGS).

And if you choose a jeweler to call in stones for you, it has to be one in NYC so that they can easily (and at low cost) access the stones. You wouldn't choose a jeweler in another state or you will incur charges for them to ship the stones to their locations to look at.
 
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Oh, and I should ask for an ASET set for Christmas. I haven't actually needed one because all the diamonds I have purchased after joining PS have had ASETs provided.
 
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diamondseeker2006 said:
Sorry for multiple posts, but....





Oh, wow, the day Karl starts promoting crushed ice radiants (not colored stones), we'll know he's been captured by the body snatchers. :lol::lol::lol:
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rofl
David is going to send me one to play with.

Do I need ASET when buying in person? No, but it can make it easier.
The biggest advantage of ASET is I can look at a diamond in ASET in a store with trick lights or my living room and it will look the same.
It is like a light box that fits in your pocket.
It is also a lot of fun playing with it!
At one store the owner brought out well over 75 diamonds and we looked at them all under ASET and IS.
It was a very fun way to spend an afternoon!
 
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diamondseeker2006 said:
Dauphine, I usually eliminate those with a lot of black, but one like this one may be the type that Garry referred to as having too much blue in the ASET, and for those he runs a Diamcalc. Because of the probable lack of access of that, I'd probably not put that stone first on my list to call in. By the way, my antique asscher is K, and I have seen at least a couple of large emerald cuts in K color and liked them. But I am not sure about IGI K color (that stone looks like it might be lower than K), so for anything not GIA, you'd probably have to send the stone to an independent appraiser. As they say here, there's always a reason when stones aren't sent to GIA (other than stones cut to ideal proportions which are usually sent to AGS). Alright. I think I will forget this one...

How about this GIA one? Thanks. I am waiting for the video from ED.

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamo...0&wire_price_min=39030#diamond=E350-6Z4132840

And if you choose a jeweler to call in stones for you, it has to be one in NYC so that they can easily (and at low cost) access the stones. You wouldn't choose a jeweler in another state or you will incur charges for them to ship the stones to their locations to look at. Make sense.
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diamondseeker2006 said:
anything not GIA, you'd probably have to send the stone to an independent appraiser. As they say here, there's always a reason when stones aren't sent to GIA (other than stones cut to ideal proportions which are usually sent to AGS).

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Sorry DS, that ED link above is wrong, I don't know how to send the correct link but could you please search SKU: E555-478934083 on ED? It's a GIA 5.55 KVVS2
 
I can see some black facets which means the background is showing through, but I'd definitely ask for more pictures and a video if they can do it. They will do an ASET if they have it in hand. But as others have said, it might be good if you choose one jeweler to help you call these in regardless of what site you are finding them on. Both Yekutiel at ID Jewelry and David at Diamonds by Lauren are in the Diamond District in NYC. Yekutiel has definitely found some outstanding diamonds for people. Now that David has Karl working for him, I am assuming Karl could examine the ASET images and recommend the best stones (he doesn't live in NYC so he wouldn't be physically holding the stone), and David would be the live set of eyes.
 
ecf8503 said:
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PintoBean said:
Why not reach out to a PS recommended vendor like IDJ or WF or BGD etc who would search for diamonds available in the US and would call in the diamond and do the images for you?
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diamondseeker2006 said:
...it might be good if you choose one jeweler to help you call these in regardless of what site you are finding them on...
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Hi all, I am nowhere near NYC so ultimately, I might be buying the diamond “unseen”.

I’ve checked out these vendors’ videos on YouTube. They are very informative. I am sure they could evaluate the diamonds in advance and provide ASET and other stuffs. This is an extra service and it makes sense that there will be fee associated with it, completely reasonable. Vendors are in business and it costs them to do it too.

I’ve contacted a PS vendor and am told that such service for call-in will be $250 each. If I need multiple call-in to find the right one, such fee could add up to the cost of the ring setting or more.

I am thinking that if I learn better to look at videos/pictures already provided by the online sellers, which might help if I decide to go with your recommended NYC vendors too? I still have to see the same things before deciding when I cannot be there, no?
 
Karl_K said:
rofl
At one store the owner brought out well over 75 diamonds and we looked at them all under ASET and IS.
It was a very fun way to spend an afternoon!
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No kidding! :love:
 
DauphineMucha- $250 is a lot, I agree. Not all vendors will have such high ( or any) fees
 
I am not sure who you called, but were they in NYC??? It shouldn't cost $250 a stone if they can go and physically pick up stones for you to consider. I can see why they'd charge that if they were shipping stones back and forth for you to look at when there is no guarantee of a sale. The key is partly to see if you can identify any potential stones for them to check out, and they can also see what is available and bring in a couple that might interest you.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
I am not sure who you called, but were they in NYC??? It shouldn't cost $250 a stone if they can go and physically pick up stones for you to consider. I can see why they'd charge that if they were shipping stones back and forth for you to look at when there is no guarantee of a sale. The key is partly to see if you can identify any potential stones for them to check out, and they can also see what is available and bring in a couple that might interest you.
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Yes, the jeweler is not located in NYC. I guess $250 sounds cheap when comparing to $500. Can’t remember where I read about the fee charged to another PSer.:think:
 
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