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Ok- I am so depressed. Well, maybe. OK- I saw a princess stone that I was so sure about... until today...saw it for the second time. It is so perfect by the numbers and it has some great dark reds and pinks....in the BScope it scored awesome High White Light, Very High, And Very High Color (great for a square!). The thing is.... under the jewelers lights I saw saw 4 very pronounced dark areas.... Almost like the results in the link below (that''s not the stone)....It''s in those areas. In My Bscope results they are very pronounced as well in Light View #6....not visible AT ALL in the other views which look great. I noticed that in the H&As, in view 6, the hearts and arrows are also dark...The first thing my husband said was "what''s with those dark spots"... I took it by the window and I think it was much better...still so hard to tell....I wish you could take them in the car, to work, in all lihts b/f buying LOL...Are the BScope Lightview #6 results indicative of how the stone is going to look outside the jewelers lights? I''m so sad. I was so sure about this one. I''m definitely staying with the same vendor...but maybe I should see another stone? ALso, it was next to my shared pring princessband which has H and I color stones...and the band looked so much whiter (but def flat and with no color...not the greatest stones) than the stone (looked less white but with tons of rainbows). Soooo depressed. SO- what''s with the BScope 6? ALso, do jewelers lights tend to make the stones look darker? UGH. DOUBLE UGH.
 
oops. here is the link...again, this is not the stone!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/princess_1_65ct_g_vs2.htm
 
Oh yeah, the stone is a G (GIA)
 
Confused. If you go to the DIrtcheapdiamonds main web page...they picture a "signature series" princess....and IT has those dark spots that mine has. HUH?
 
one more- see on this superbcert stone....the four dark areas...mine looked darker in those store lights (clearly would have looked better in a photo shoopy picture like this one)...OK- I feel better....SO is this supposed to happen...and maybe itwon't look dark all the time...

http://www.superbcert.com/Shop_By_Product/Diamond_Details.cfm/P/701/N/1;1
 
ok- it's official. I'm psycho. I've just generated and replied to my own posts. Well, I think I'm in love again. Ijust went to superb cert and my stone actually did a lot higher on the BScope than most of those and also, the bscope results of the superbcerts also reveals those dark areas....a loto them very pronounced in #6.... Again, in mine, they are only visible in 6....but I think it's a total winner again. Whew. Thanks for the help! (oh wait, I answered my own posts...LOL)
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Yes MoreMore, you are certifyably mad
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Those black spots are the same as the star in a H&A's diamond or Ideal-Scope star.

The main problem with princess is they lack 'head obsfurcation' (the new word from the moscow conference). they get most of their contrast from leakage. The more of those black spots the more fire the diamond will have
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Definitely mad!
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I thought about that re: the H&A..... But with the H&A...that's the pretty part about the stone...with the princess, it's not as romantic!
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Just four dark spots. The stone is def amazing...It scores a VH and VH in colored light and scintilation!!! Will the dark spots be obvious in all lighting conditions? It's funny b/c when I brought my last stone into the same store (which so SO white and amazing otherwise)... It too looked dark under those same lights. Well, I'm definitely getting it!
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Thanks so much for the help!
 
hm. I did have two more questions....why are these dark areas desireable whereas a dark center (aside from being ugly)is not? I mean, they are both going to appear dark, no? Also, is this the same theory as the bow tie in a radiant? Bc I remember reading that the bowties assist in light return....but my only problem with that is....it's still ugly! I think I'd prefer a slightly less brilliant stone that has no dark areas....they would make it look like a bad cut e/t in reality they may be a function of a good cut.....confused again. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't want any dark areas....I just hope they won't always be dark...are they exaggerated in the #6 diffuse lighting in the BScope? (guess that's 3 questions!)
 
Thanks for all the insight, MoreMore. Cut Nut, as I am just beginning my search for my "toys"...more black spots or 'contrast from leakage' is something I need to consider? If I am looking for a .75-.98 in a princess,after finding a great cut, what should be my priority? Should the clarity be VV or will that not be a factor?
 
The leading fancy cut expert is Dave Atlas.

I use the ideal-scope to buy fancies, but until I put all my thoughts down and test them I am not prepared to give advice.
It is on our list, but it is a long list
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On 5/8/2004 10:52:43 PM Cut Nut wrote:

Yes MoreMore, you are certifyably mad
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Those black spots are the same as the star in a H&A's diamond or Ideal-Scope star.

The main problem with princess is they lack 'head obsfurcation' (the new word from the moscow conference). they get most of their contrast from leakage. The more of those black spots the more fire the diamond will have
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'head obsfurcation' What is this for a word??? Is it English or Russian ? HeHe

Johan
 
I do not know if I am spelling the word corectly. But many of you no I cant spull nohow.
These DiamCalc iamage shows what changing the lower girdle facet length (70%, 80%, 90% approx) does to the size of the dark star and the fire you might see ( contrary to popular belief, most fire shows up inside the table in well proportioned stones). Note though that the more fire the less brightness / whiteness in the stones image.

fire and star size.jpg
 
just ice- it just has to look good to your eyes. Forget the tests and the numbers....after all, the stone will need to speak for itself....it won't be on the hand with a note- see BScope results! LOL ... I am just very confused. I am still wondering if BScope #6 represents how the stone will look most of the time? And this all has nothing to do with clarity. FYI, the stone is an Si1.
 
thanks cut nut!!!! Maybe Dave can weigh in too! I'm really going back and forth...
 
you will never see what the BS sees!
 
you mean the brilliancy or the dark areas...? b/c the dark areas on the BS directly correspond to the four little triangles that I see (picture the while X ... it's the areas around it)... Maybe I should pass on it. Maybe I should do a RB.
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I mean the brillianscope images have no bearing on what you see unless you squeeze yourself inside the camera and hop into the BS box.

What you are seeing on the image is desirable!!!
Please stop it.
This is very likely to be a better stone than one that does not have these black bits.
 
LOL...Rolling... "Please stop it" (even though sounds like you're serious)
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Sigh. I really AM crazy. OK- I'm going with it.
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No idea what it takes to see the stone like the B-scope does, but no diamond would fit the black and whit pic exactly - no way the dark areas would ever look like such back pits... for once, the stone will move around much more as you try to view it either mounted or just hand held, than what change of perspective the Bscope takes into account.

If you care to take into account the Iscope too, you will see that the corresponding areas to the blacks on the Iscope are black here too. this would indicate that the respective spots are alternatively the darkest and the brightest ("in your face" flash) in the stone. The B-scope animation (actually images 3-4-5 shows the same).

No, the diamond will not show any one of these pictures constantly in any kind of light, but all of them one after another upon the lightest of movements.


PS: you must have seen the Bscope descriptions at gog (LINK - the images 1 to 5 are discussed as "primary light positions" and no word on #6... You may want to ask what the repsective graphic is anyway
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So... so you just want a stone with little contrast - there must be one out there! Can you also see one that got higher on the Bscope for white light return, like THIS neighbor ?
 
thanks val!
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Well, the dark pits in the bscope were certainly those i saw in the store. But I'm excited about the stone again. I remember seeing another beautiful stone in that store and the lighting made it look at lot worse then it was.... That stone you posted is nice! (but mine is nicer...hehehehe)
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My link to GOG above wasn't the stone...it just showed the dark areas I was talking about...the stone I'm getting is bigger, a G, and it did a tiny bit better in the white light and colored light than the one you posted and a heck of a lot better in scintillation!
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Yippee! I mean, if after a few months I notice it's dark all the time, I can upgrade!
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A "bit better " than the second one at GOG, means three VH, right
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and if so, your upgrade would not be to another princess cut, 'cause there isn't much better this cut can do... but other can
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You've never given a thought to those branded squares, have you ?
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HEY- I SHOULD CHANGE THE TITLE OF MY POST...LOL...NO LONGER DEPRESSED!!!
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Now I'm EXCITED!!!!!!

Not three VH, two.... It's a teensy bit higher on the High white light (that's negligible though I guess!).... and the colored and scintil are VH!!!
And I did think about a stone like a jubilee, while they tend to face up bigger than the princess cuts this princess happens to be a honker for the carat weight. Also, the jubilee is even more expensive than the H&A...I'm definitely buying this stone!!!!! (from GOG, who I just love with all my heart...they are really so good to me) AND, in two years, I can maybe investigate a nice F 2 carat jubilee!
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..ok- you ready...Here is the info on my new pretty. I'm going to wear it in a plain setting and pair it with my princess shared prong wedding band!

Princess G Si1, 2.10, Ex Polish, Ex Symmetry
(Amy at GOG said it was a very white G!!!!)
Sarin:
7.16 X 7.20 (Gia says 7.20 X 7.22)
Depth 67.6 (Gia says 67.4)
Table 66.5 (Gia says 68)
4.76 mm
Girdle 2.1% (Gia medium)
Crown 43.2 (43.1 - 43.2)
Crown Height 11.2%
Pavillion Angle 57.6 (57.6 - 57.5)
Pavil Depth 54.3
It also says Table .6% and Culet .6%
 
OK- starting to bug myself....THIS is exactly what I'm talking about....and it's certaily not being described as a good thing...

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/dark-areas-in-princess-diamonds.10245/
 
Hi MMM. Cut Nut and I are talking about two different things. In the photoreal image I posted, I'm referring to the four larger dark (gray) areas, while Cut Nut is referring to the dark (black) chunks contained within.

The larger areas indicate light leakage common to commercially cut princess cuts. The smaller black chunks are contrast areas of light return. Contrast pattern is good, while the less light leakage you have the better.

In the BrillianceScope photo number six you referred to, the black chunks are contrasting areas of light return. This is good. The stone does not exhibit the gray areas of light leakage I was pointing out in my photoreal image, which is quite common in commercially cut princess cuts.

If you'll look in the center brilliancescope photo in the GOG example you listed, you'll see intense flashes of light bouncing off those contrasting black chunks when the angle of illuminating light changes. The black chunks are powerful.

You have to give princess cuts in general a little bit of slack, as they will never have the light return and contrasting patterns of a round. It sounds like the princess cut you are looking at performs quite well though.

If in doubt, I would advise a second opinion from a professional appraiser.
 
Thanks for clearing that up Rich.
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well, i do want to add that while I understand that the dark areas provide contrast which is necessary for fire and brilliance, I must say, that as a consumer, there is also a lot to be said for other aesthetics (oh lord, did i spell that right...)....and perhaps, to some, they are willing to sacrifice a little fire for a little less darkness if darkness bugs them.
 
Back in the dark again MMM?
(ROFL)
 
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