Bright diamond but low contrast?

[ameen]

Hi all,

I am trying to understand some of the contrast patterns that i seeing in a lot of pictures. I have done a lot of research and finally bought an engagement ring. The diamond looks great and in incredibly bright (60/60 GIA triple EX, very good HCA forgot the exact number at the moment).

Now my question is, the black contrast patterns that i usually see in pictures (i guess it would be the 'arrows' in H&A) don't seem to be black on mine. I can see them in the refractions, but they are white....

It really does return a lot of light compared to most ones i have compared to locally, but haven't had a chance to try and compare the contrast.


I am attaching a few photos for reference. Unfortunately theses are kind of dirty and the iPhone doesn't focus the best.... but i think it gets the idea across.




Here is one from before it was worn at all but unfortunately the angle isn't directly on top. Somehow it has more contrast than what I am seeing now.... Could it just be where i took the photo, or lack of skin oil effecting it?



So.... there is a good chance i am overthinking this and should just accept it as the awesome looking diamond that it is; but is that contrast pattern something that you can see easily on a stone? Right now I'm thinking mine might be almost too white/bright from some angles.
It does have a lot of flash and brilliance, so I don't want to swap out the stone if I am obsessing over a small contrast that doesn't really show up in everyday life or a little dirt/skin oil can make that much of a difference.

 

[Karl_K]

What are the angles on the report?
IS or ASET image?

The vendor pics you see one here are intentionally over obstructed to pop the arrows.
Then consumers follow suit when taking them.

That said many of the best 60/60 angle combinations will not pop the arrows as much as a near tolk.
Its not bad, it just is.

 

[Tourmaline]

It's also a lighting issue. Try it in different lighting situations. I particularly love outdoor indirect natural light, with evergreen trees overhead.

 

[MarionC]

Also, you can experiment with taking a photo through a tube of paper or a paper towel tube to get the h&a effect.

 

[ameen]

So, I don't have the stone with me at the moment. I already proposed so she has it right now, but we will probably be sending it in to try and get it set a little lower in the head.

While it is going back i thought i might change the stone, but from what it sounds, my lack of photography skills could be part of the issue.

Also, I'm looking back at my own pictures and am really surprised how much difference just a little oils or dirt impacted the way it looked (it was different lighting also..). So I am starting to think i am obsessing over nothing...

 

[MarionC]

It's a beautiful diamond ... you will get great photos with practice, [and there is a huge difference between a cleaned & uncleaned stone and after they are steamed cleaned they are even better photo subjects].
I bought an inexpensive light box on Amazon to take photos of my rings and that too has made for better shots. Have fun taking pictures!

 

[c87]

I purchased a 60/60 stone (59/60.8, technically), and I'm with you with most of your observations. The stone is exceedingly bright, but I do not see the defined "black" H&A like some with Tolk cuts have except when I really focus the camera in the right lighting. We both liked the 60/60 stones, though, so that's why we narrowed our search to 58-60% tables. I have some pictures in my thread.

 

[thecat]

I think it's normal. It's very much comparable to bow tie in ovals. In some lighting, the arrows in rounds and bow tie in oval pop black showing contrast. In others, they show white much more than the rest of the stone.

 

[ecf8503]

The arrows don't show up as black like they do in vendor's pics in real life - they are often silvery and subtle. Intentional obstruction is really the way to make them look black. Try holding it up facing away from a window - sometimes that shows the arrows more distinctly.

 

[ameen]

Thanks! that was exactly what i was wondering

 

[ameen]

Here is another picture with it on her hand

 

[c87]

Beautiful. My fiance's ring gives a similar flavor of appearance. I find the 60/60 makes to be very bright.

 

[tysaval]

My diamond ring does the same thing. My table is a 58% with a depth of 60.8 is that normal??

 

[Karl_K]

@tysaval what color is the camera used?

 

[DejaWiz]

My diamond ring does the same thing. My table is a 58% with a depth of 60.8 is that normal??

Do you have (or know anyone/jeweler with) an Ideal-Scope or ASET scope?

 

[tysaval]

@tysaval what color is the camera used?

I don’t know it’s a Iphone 13?

 

[tysaval]

Do you have (or know anyone/jeweler with) an Ideal-Scope or ASET scope?

No I don’t I was going to buy one

 

[Karl_K]

I don’t know it’s a Iphone 13?

if its white that is why the arrows are white or if flash or other light was used.

 

[DejaWiz]

No I don’t I was going to buy one

Recommend you go with an ASET, which will show a bit more detail...will be easier to pick out things like painting/digging, etc.

 

[tysaval]

if its white that is why the arrows are white or if flash or other light was used.

Yes my phone is white. The flash is off.

 

[tysaval]

Recommend you go with an ASET, which will show a bit more detail...will be easier to pick out things like painting/digging, etc.

It score a 1.6

 

[Karl_K]

Yes my phone is white. The flash is off.

white phone = white arrows
red phone = red arrows
black phone = black arrows
so on and so forth

 

[DejaWiz]

It score a 1.6

HCA is a mass rejection tool, not an individual diamond selection tool...helpful to narrow down a huge list of diamonds so that individual assessment of each diamond can begin.
It doesn't account for real-world things like potential symmetry/faceting issues (like pavilion twist or table yaw), light leakage, painting or digging, etc.

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

@yssie - it doesn’t mean that the person you mentioned is typing the HCA results, as far as I can see. It just means that the OP received a Snapchat notification as they were taking a screenshot of the browser page.

@tysaval - just drawing your attention to the fact that you posted a pic with your friend’s name visible, in case you’d like admin to remove the pic you can contact them by hitting “report concern” in the bottom left corner of your post and requesting the same. You can then post the pics with the name redacted.

 

[yssie]

Nothing to be sorry for. We’re just looking out for your privacy the moderators will remove the posts shortly I’m sure.

 

[tysaval]

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Nothing to be sorry for. We’re just looking out for your privacy the moderators will remove the posts shortly I’m sure.

I appreciate you looking out for me thank you.