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  1. Rad_Fan
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    :eek2: ... been there and done that :lol:

    It all goes with the theory of buying what you love...
     
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    by ordinaryrainbow » Jul 5, 2019
    I’ve wondered this too, since my own sapphire blacks out in so many photos. Even if my sapphire is looking particularly vivid IRL, try as I might to capture it with a photo it will just not cooperate, and I wonder if the Diana/Kate ring shares that characteristic. I also haven’t seen that many photos of the Diana/Kate ring in strong sunlight.

    On the one hand, if she selected the ring from a tray, I could imagine she was seeing different sapphires with different qualities and it would make sense that she would be drawn to one with a beautiful colour. On the other hand, she could have chosen based on the setting, or have been looking at all the rings under poor indoor light, or just have preferred the darker tone (seeing Liz Hurley’s dark sapphire made me wonder if there was a preference for darker sapphire’s in the UK). I’ve also read that she selected the ring from a catalogue, in which case she wouldn’t have seen the sapphire in person before selecting it.
     
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    by Rad_Fan » Jul 5, 2019
    @ordinaryrainbow, thanks for the info. This is getting as tricky as looking for an emerald!
     
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    Found a few outdoor shots of it. Hmmm...

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  5. ordinaryrainbow
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    by ordinaryrainbow » Jul 5, 2019
    Hmmm, it does look dark and without any sparkle or flash, doesn’t it? So does the sapphire earring in the first photo, other than the small flash at the base of the stone.
     
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    by T L » Jul 5, 2019
    AD9F2714-EC48-41D2-84FB-6524921776E4.jpeg Diana could have simply been like many newbies to gems, thinking the darker the stone, the better the quality.

    Those photos were all taken outside, here’s some indoor artificial light shots.

    On a side note, the prongs are kind of shoddy on the ring and they’ve grown more crooked as Kate has worn it. She must be hard in her rings.
     
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    Most of the time they were photographing Diana or now Kate, not the sapphire if you photographed someone wearing the stone I have it would probably always mostly photograph as poop in a full body pic. But I agree 99% of the photos I've seen of Diana's ring, it's a royal very dark colour, I seem to remember seeing only one or two photos ever where you could see a vivid blue flash and I remember at the time thinking aaaah and there it is...... no clue how to find those photos again.

    Having said that, I saw the emerald cut diamond ring Dodi gave her when it was on display in Harrods, I made a point of going specifically to see it when we were on holidays in London and to me it was really really underwhelming. I also saw a collection of dresses and jewellery that belonged to Diana most of which was spectacular and royal jewels at two different places owned by the Royal family that were on display (most of which were also lovely) so I guess it could be a poop just plain big dark Royal Blue sapphire, but I've never seen it in person so I've always wondered. By comparison Camilla's emerald diamond always looks nice.
     
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    by Rad_Fan » Jul 5, 2019
    And they are warmish color nice too!
     
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    by arkieb1 » Jul 5, 2019
    O.K if that's what it looks like indoors it's a beautiful stone. It is just royal with a vivid blue flash the cameras in most of the photos are not picking up.... See the part that is in the lighting that is vivid and a nicer slightly lighter blue, I think that is what your eye would actually see a lot of the time in good lighting so flashes of that vivid colour.
     
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    I only saw that blue scintillation on the lower 1/3 of the sapphire from the 2nd outdoor picture I posted above. :sick:
    Don't think this is my cup of tea.
     
    


    


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    Maybe?? I just know that’s not what the world sees. They see a black hole and think that’s the benchmark. If the sapphire looks like that IRL, I think it’s way too dark, but you’re saying it’s lighter and more vivid IRL.
     
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    I get what you are referring to and do find myself keep looking for that flash of blue, but I need to see a lot more of it from mine (eventually:lol-2:), not just 1/3 or 1/4 once a while.
     
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    The dark one? Sure;
    Outside on a cloudy day (this would be the type of lighting they would be taking photos of the Diana/Kate ring in, see how the oval is dark, the EC also looks like poop in this photo and it's never too dark IRL;

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    Same two stones inside in decent lighting;
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    And really zoomed in, you can see the reflector inclusion in the stone on the left but this really velvety blue is the colour this stone flashes in decent lighting (which is why Sri Lanka dealers consider this one of the top colours of sapphire);
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    I always find the discussions of Kashmir stones everywhere fascinating too, and the photos that the ideal Kashmir colour is that light to mid cornflower blue (which is lovely and also a top top colour) but most of the top Kashmir's I've seen are closer to the colour of this oval than that mid colour. I own a tiny tiny Kashmir and it's much closer to this oval in colour than a mid blue....
     
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    And I hope no one kills me, but I detest the Black Prince’s ruby (spinel) in the Crown. Lol, this became the pick apart the royal jewels thread. Sorry for the thread-jack.

    Btw, this choker is dark, but I think I’ve seen nicer pics of it. At least it looks blue here, in some pics it looks black.
     
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    by T L » Jul 5, 2019
    Your sapphire looks BLUE!! It looks dark in the photo, but you can see the color on your stone is richer. The Diana/Kate ring always looks black. It’s grayer than yours. I don’t see any velvety richness in that ring.
     
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    I would have thought the same thing, but I've actually seen really dark stones that have the most magnificent flashes of blue that were worth a small fortune that I wouldn't pass up. I guess it's just personal taste, I like all types of blues from the very dark all the way down to paler ones, just as long as you can see something really outstandingly vivid or pleasing in colour I don't see darker stones being bad. I've also gotten much better at reading photos of sapphires and understanding what they will and won't look like IRL from years of trial and error buying stuff sight unseen only via photos.
     
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    The choker - yep that's is a relatively poop coloured large sapphire too much grey in it for my taste... I think her ring stone is a lot nicer in colour than this stone.
    But you and I and a lot of the people here probably have much more discerning taste than the average sapphire customer.
     
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    When I saw that EC, I forgot other things you wrote! :bigsmile:OMG...How often does the EC stay this way to your eyes? The 1st picture of it displayed some sort extinction like look, even though it probably does not have it.
     
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    I personally don’t want flashes of blue, I want the stone to look blue all over, all the time. But I do know that dark sapphire prices went through the roof due to that famous ring. No, darker stones aren’t bad, but if they’re too dark, they lose saturation. By the way. those indoor photos of the ring I posted were taken under bright lighting at their engagement announcement. If it’s that dark under bright flashes....o_O

    However, I could be wrong and I may be absolutely gorgeous IRL. If not, I wouldn’t worry too much because she has lots of beautiful jewelry to choose from. Lol!
     
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    Why would I care, this is for educational purpose! Keep them coming! :mrgreen2:
     
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    I think it was from the Queen Mother’s collection.
     
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    It has no extinction at all, it's that vivid blue right across the stone, but hopefully you can see it's darker in colour than the original stones you posted pics of, it would be classified medium "cornflower" by someone like Lotus Lab but it's way darker than what American's associate as "cornflower." I think I've posted photos of that stone a couple of times on my IG and every time I have like 20+ people including dealers all wanting to buy that stone from me (it's not for sale) it's going in a ring for me one day.... None of my favourite stones have extinction. The big pear, is unheated untreated Burma has inclusions and again the others make the oval look dark but even it has no extinction. It's just a darker shade of blue.

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    Don't know much about these but I see blue on Elle Fanning. Assuming paparazzi used similar light source as when they photographe Kate?

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    Same pendant on Georgina Rodriguez under different lights...shifty, huh? I think I like less gray but more violet 2nd tone.

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    Snap. This is how my sapphire behaves in photos.
     
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    Absolutely! I see blue in their gems too. Kate’s ring looks a piece of charcoal. It’s dead and lifeless in photos and only shows a small blue flash if tons of bright lights are on it.
     
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    Is Elle Fanning’s a sapphire or a tanzanite? Might be my screen, but it looks to have a purple tone to me.
     
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    :love: I think the EC is "darkest" I would like.

    What are you going to do with the rest? So jealous.
     
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    @ordinaryrainbow Elle's ring does look more violet but her pear looks blue to me.
     
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    by arkieb1 » Jul 5, 2019
    At this point in time that's my pile of "keepers" until I find something I like more then I sell something and replace it. The Burma pear is actually lighter in colour IRL than the emerald cut, but yes the EC is a nice stone. My favourite of those ones colourwise is the smaller round, it's from Madagascar, the deposit site that everyone raves was like "Kashmir" stones.
     
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    The Dodi ring was an unattractive design IMO. Camilla’s ring belonged to the Queen Mother. I think it was her e-ring. The early 1900’s had the most magnificent pieces.
     
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