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BGD Diamond Choices, and BGD vs Canera for same setting

pwnc

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Hi all.

First, I need to tell you all how much I appreciate this forum, your posts, insight, discussions, knowledge, and so on. I've read thousands and thousands of posts here over the past several months and it has been a priceless resource. At the beginning of this process, I knew literally nothing about jewelry. This is essentially an all-purpose post that contains all of the questions that I couldn't resolve by doing research on my own. I'm probably going to be a bit long-winded here, so I apologize in advance.

With that said, here's my current mission. I'm going to propose to my girlfriend, and have been trying to decide on the ring forever. My budget is around $6000. If I can come in under this, great.

Setting

I knew from the start that platinum would be a must for me.

I settled on the Legera Pavé from BGD, with one caveat, which I will mention toward the end.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/legera-pave-platinum-5861p

I welcome feedback on this setting.

The Diamond

I'm 99% certain that I'd like to get a diamond from BGD as well. I like the reputation and history of emphasis on cut and performance. I'm looking for round stones in the .6 to .99 carat range. Color is pretty unimportant to me (have considered D-K), and clarity is not a huge concern either. I'm open to grades from SI2 to VVS2 - I sense that at VVS1 the premium for clarity really elevates. It should be eye clean, but even then I wouldn't immediately reject inclusions visible with the naked eye if they weren't unattractive. With .6 carats seemingly around 5.5mm in diameter and .99 around 6.4mm in diameter, I don't see a huge amount of difference between these two. I'm leaning toward the .6 carat to .7 carat range, putting the budget surplus toward a down payment on a mortgage.

I love the BGD blue diamonds, but they are actually kind of scarce at the moment. Most of the ones I've looked at are reserved, pending payment. BGD assured me that the BGD Signature and BGD Blue are equally well cut; the only difference is the fluorescence. While typing this post, the first stone below became available and I reserved it, pending payment. I included its numbers along with the other options I was considering. I'd love to get feedback on it.

.824 carat, BG Blue, I color, VS2, 5.98mm x 6.00mm x 3.70, table 56.1%, depth 61.8%, crown 34.7˚, pav 40.7˚
HCA 1.1 (all EX except Spread Very Good), $3238
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.824-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104075658010
I have this reserved, pending payment. It became available while typing this post. I would love feedback!

.806 carat, BG Blue, G color, VS1, 5.95mm x 5.98mm x 3.70mm, HCA 1.1 (all EX except Spread Very Good), $4212
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.806-g-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104075658019

.603 carat, BG Blue, F color, SI1, 5.42mm x 5.44mm x 3.35mm, HCA 1.5 (all EX except Spread Very Good), $2341
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.603-f-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104069795003
I consider this eye clean (or close enough), but have not confirmed that with BGD. Input is welcome in this regard.

Canera?

The biggest question I have, though, is this. Would it be worth it to splash an extra $2000 to get a very similar setting made by Victor Canera? He quoted between $3500 and $4200 for a few very similar designs. If I indeed went with the stone above, using Victor would take the price of the ring from ~$5100 to ~$7100. This is a tough call for me. It's essentially a 40% increase in the overall price of the ring, without taking into consideration shipping the stone to Victor and insuring it during setting.


Thank you all very much for your time.
 

TitanCi

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If the BG one is similar, why do you feel you need the VC one? If you must have hand forged then go with VC. Personally with most of these companies, especially BE, their cad work is exceptional. Excellent.

Just have BG do the setting and be done with it. :)
 

Gypsy

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If you add 2K anywhere I would do it to the stone budget.

I would NOT spend the extra money for a Victor setting. The BGD setting is gorgeous and top quality.
 

pwnc

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Thanks for that. If money was no object, I love the idea of Canera and what he's all about, but in reality I don't think it makes sense for me at this time.
 

noscrusir

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I've looked at the BGD Legera in person and it is wonderful. Although I went with a Novela due to my gf's personal preferences, I still like the Legera and it is very reasonably priced. Goodluck!
 

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As for the stone, does anyone have feedback on it? I will need to send payment tomorrow - not sure how long BGD would hold it but I don't want to keep it in limbo any longer than necessary.

.824 carat, BG Blue, I color, VS2, 5.98mm x 6.00mm x 3.70, table 56.1%, depth 61.8%, crown 34.7˚, pav 40.7˚
HCA 1.1 (all EX except Spread Very Good), $3238
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.824-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104075658010

Attached ASET image for convenience, waiting to hear about idealscope. If anyone thinks the idealscope is unnecessary here (I have a feeling it might be), please say so.

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pwnc

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noscrusir|1417556994|3794044 said:
I've looked at the BGD Legera in person and it is wonderful. Although I went with a Novela due to my gf's personal preferences, I still like the Legera and it is very reasonably priced. Goodluck!

That's great to hear - thanks!
 

TitanCi

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Numbers look great, and sim ASET is awesome.
 

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TitanCi|1417558803|3794066 said:
Numbers look great, and sim ASET is awesome.

Thanks for the reply. They just came back with actual ASET and Idealscope:

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TitanCi

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Word. Looks dope. Buy
 

Asscherhalo_lover

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Balancing budget with setting and diamond I would go with the BGD setting. Lovely choice BTW!
 

CRYSTAL24K

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I would go with BGD for the setting and put the extra $$ toward the stone.
 

Gypsy

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You are good to go. The IS is showing a small amount of leakage, but on the balance of factors I think it's completely acceptable.
 

pwnc

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How much of a difference does the leakage make in real life? We will never upgrade the stone or setting, so I want to get it right. While size and such are not critical to me, the cut and performance are. Is this still an elite cut or could I do noticeably better?
 

Gypsy

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what is the stone budget?
 

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Gypsy|1417579287|3794274 said:
what is the stone budget?

I'd say $4500.

I'm perfectly fine with this stone's size, color, and clarity. If you had to rate the cut/performance as a percentage, what would it be?
 

Gypsy

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97%
 

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Gypsy|1417581214|3794291 said:
Ahhh. I see your dilemna. Everything I click on is reserved.

This is the one I'd buy:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.880-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104075658001#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/2/

I'd ask them if this one is a done deal, or if there's a chance the buyer might back out.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.882-i-vs2-round-diamond-565.00--104074992002#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/2/ Also lovely.

I'm going to sleep on this. I have a few days, according to BGD.

From what I can see on the site I'd have to go up to about $5500 for the stone or down to a .6 carat if I want to stay with BGD blue. I wish I had a better feel for what the stone's idealscope means about the look in person.

For example, I went to an extremely successful and storied local jeweler, and they showed me Hearts on Fire diamonds. Naturally, they are priced as high as you'd imagine for a high-end brick-and-mortar store. Would this one sparkle like them?
 

Gypsy

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The top of the line ones will. This one will have a little leakage around the outside of the table.

Can you go up to 6K comfortably? In cash (no credit).
 

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Gypsy|1417583210|3794312 said:
The top of the line ones will. This one will have a little leakage around the outside of the table.

Can you go up to 6K comfortably? In cash (no credit).

If anything $5k is the absolute max, and I don't really want to go that high. I just can't justify spending more for the stone.

Let me phrase it this way. Is this .824 carat stone (the one we've been discussing) cut well enough for the kind of ring that I could pass on for multiple generations? I realize it's not that big compared to a lot of what you see around here, but I find this size range appropriate for us.

What about the smaller blue that I posted previously?

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.603-f-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104069795003

If I'm seeing it right, the .603 carat has no leakage. Thoughts? How do these compare when everything else is considered? A slightly smaller stone with truly outstanding performance seems better to me. 5.44mm x 5.42mm vs 5.98mm x 6.00mm doesn't seem like much of a difference in size.
 

Gypsy

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Yes th e80ish point diamond is very easily.heirloom quality. The .6 is too samll.
 

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Gypsy|1417595650|3794367 said:
Yes th e80ish point diamond is very easily.heirloom quality. The .6 is too samll.

So the fact that there is some light leakage is perhaps more of a big deal than I'm making it? Thanks for bearing with me here, I can't tell you how helpful this is.
 

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Gypsy|1417555505|3794026 said:
If you add 2K anywhere I would do it to the stone budget.

I would NOT spend the extra money for a Victor setting. The BGD setting is gorgeous and top quality.

+1
 

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Gypsy|1417555505|3794026 said:
If you add 2K anywhere I would do it to the stone budget.

I would NOT spend the extra money for a Victor setting. The BGD setting is gorgeous and top quality.
This.
 

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lknvrb4 said:
ame said:

I'm sold on the BGD setting - it didn't take much convincing.

Just have to make sure I get the right stone! :think:
 

CRYSTAL24K

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Please be sure to post pics of your ring and hand shots. It is going to be gorgeous!
 

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CRYSTAL24K|1417641674|3794682 said:
Please be sure to post pics of your ring and hand shots. It is going to be gorgeous!

I promise to - it's the least I can do after all the help I've gotten here.
 

pwnc

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I updated my rep on what I was thinking about. BGD has been great thus far. Here was her reply:

Hi _________:

Good afternoon!! The diamond is perfect! The Idealscope could have been shot at an angle. If you take a look at the ASET as well as the ASET on the report, there is absolutely no leakage:)

I went ahead and requested that a ring sizer be sent to you. It will be shipped out tomorrow to your billing address in ________:)

Let me know if you have any questions. Honestly, this is a great diamond!!

Kindest Regards,

_________

Might there be some truth to this?
 
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