Best RBC - 1.34ct range for under 5k?

[two_little_birds]

I wouldn't give up on the IDJ stone just yet. The images are greatly magnified, you need to consider that this stone is only 7mm, while the prong won't likely cover the inclusions closest to the girdle, it will likely mask it. As someone else mentioned, this is a busy, active area of the diamond and I suspect that too will help hide the inclusion somewhat. If the inclusions under the table are eye clean then I still think this is your best option.

+1, it really is a lovely stone - don't throw it away as an option just yet. I personally like it better than your other choices so far.

 

[04diamond<3]

I wouldn't give up on the IDJ stone just yet. The images are greatly magnified, you need to consider that this stone is only 7mm, while the prong won't likely cover the inclusions closest to the girdle, it will likely mask it. As someone else mentioned, this is a busy, active area of the diamond and I suspect that too will help hide the inclusion somewhat. If the inclusions under the table are eye clean then I still think this is your best option.

+1, it really is a lovely stone - don't throw it away as an option just yet. I personally like it better than your other choices so far.

+2. Out of everything else you've been posting, this one is the best. The one from GOG is just gross and the other one you posted the GIA report for is a K SI2 which we have no clue what that looks like. I'm also one that likes smaller tables, even a 1% difference IMO is better. What's the hesitation? May I ask what the price is on that one from IDJ? I'm guessing it's a fantastic deal because that's what they do....

 

[JamiSteven]

I wouldn't give up on the IDJ stone just yet. The images are greatly magnified, you need to consider that this stone is only 7mm, while the prong won't likely cover the inclusions closest to the girdle, it will likely mask it. As someone else mentioned, this is a busy, active area of the diamond and I suspect that too will help hide the inclusion somewhat. If the inclusions under the table are eye clean then I still think this is your best option.

+1, it really is a lovely stone - don't throw it away as an option just yet. I personally like it better than your other choices so far.

+2. Out of everything else you've been posting, this one is the best. The one from GOG is just gross and the other one you posted the GIA report for is a K SI2 which we have no clue what that looks like. I'm also one that likes smaller tables, even a 1% difference IMO is better. What's the hesitation? May I ask what the price is on that one from IDJ? I'm guessing it's a fantastic deal because that's what they do....

Two things mainly. The cloud in right corner, and the fact that it is close to 1mm smaller than the original diamond I do not want the prongs to be pushed together, it turn appearing to be raised and higher of a setting than it was originally.The tiffany prongs are one of the best characteristics of this ring and I dont want that to be changed. Also it is 1.25 and not 1.34 as the original was. It does reflect light beautifully and if it was closer to the original size I am fairly certain I would take it.

 

[Niel]

never mind!! just saw you had the specs of the original in your first post

 

[JamiSteven]

never mind!! just saw you had the specs of the original in your first post

No worries Niel! Do you see my concerns as rational or am I out my mind still? Ha!

Here is a 10x of the other 1.32 with the slightly larger table. The jeweler doesnt have a idealscope which will most likely mean this is a no-go, apparently he is pretty old-school. Figured I would post it any.

 

[Niel]

no i totally get your concern. unfortunately it would be easier to get the setting to match the stone and not the other way round, BUT i wouldnt want to pay tiffany premiums either. all this means is youre going to have to spend a little more time searching.

no idealscope id say pass, just give IDJ a little more time

 

[ariel144]

What about this round Old Miner 1.46 J VS2? ....Excel commented that it faces up like a G color. Think it will fit your budget and your setting. $3,700

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Diamonds-1/EGL-USA-Graded-Old-Miner-Diamond-1-46-Carat-J-Color-VS2-Clarity-253238.html

I saw that I I1 on GOG and didn't care for the faceting.

I like this old miner for someone on a budget. The clarity is better than the K from IDJ but you have to judge which type of faceting you prefer.

 

[04diamond<3]

What about this round Old Miner 1.46 J VS2? ....Excel commented that it faces up like a G color. Think it will fit your budget and your setting. $3,700

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Diamonds-1/EGL-USA-Graded-Old-Miner-Diamond-1-46-Carat-J-Color-VS2-Clarity-253238.html

I saw that I I1 on GOG and didn't care for the faceting.

I like this old miner for someone on a budget. The clarity is better than the K from IDJ but you have to judge which type of faceting you prefer.

If you like the faceting and are ok with the size, this is a remarkable deal and definitely a gorgeous stone!

 

[Niel]

yeah i like that a lot, but do you think it too big??

 

[JamiSteven]

What about this round Old Miner 1.46 J VS2? ....Excel commented that it faces up like a G color. Think it will fit your budget and your setting. $3,700

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Diamonds-1/EGL-USA-Graded-Old-Miner-Diamond-1-46-Carat-J-Color-VS2-Clarity-253238.html

I saw that I I1 on GOG and didn't care for the faceting.

I like this old miner for someone on a budget. The clarity is better than the K from IDJ but you have to judge which type of faceting you prefer.

Im not sure how I feel about the faceting, I need to find some pictures of a solitaire with a similar stone and see what it looks like. It also quite larger than the original stone.

What are the main differences between an old miner cut and round brilliant? As I understand the OMC is the predecessor?

 

[ariel144]

yeah i like that a lot, but do you think it too big??

You would have to ask EXcel if it would fit in your setting...I don't know if it can be made to fit.

There is a thread with pictures of this stone but the lighting is really bad. Will try to find it.

I still like the H & A K w/bl. flour. from IDJ too. I'm just not a big fan of MRB and this Old Miner faceting I like better but that is just me.
This guy was looking for an antique cushion and this stone was too round for him.

Love the small table 46%

Now that I look at these pics again...the faceting looks pretty good...more like an OEC to me.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/antique-style-cushion.185565/page-3']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/antique-style-cushion.185565/page-3[/URL]

 

[ariel144]

this video will help you see the diff. in faceting in round cuts.

Ideal Cut vs Hearts & Arrows vs August Vintage OEC vs Solasfera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwiM3COzjFM&list=UUEV7slr-i-VduBBnfv9MxhA&index=88&feature=plcp


Here are some old cuts with videos on www.jewelsbyericagrace.com
and some threads on OEC’s

http://jewelsbyericagrace.com/loose_antique_and_estate_diamonds_page_2

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/meet-my-1-3ct-l-m-oec.185937/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/meet-my-1-3ct-l-m-oec.185937/[/URL]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/1-5-ct-oec-heirloom-stone-in-a-new-engagement-ring.179892/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/1-5-ct-oec-heirloom-stone-in-a-new-engagement-ring.179892/[/URL]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/were-engaged-jbeg-modified-julia-ring-with-1-45-oec.146660/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/were-engaged-jbeg-modified-julia-ring-with-1-45-oec.146660/[/URL]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/engaged-vintage-oec-e-ring.177113/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/engaged-vintage-oec-e-ring.177113/[/URL]

Old cuts on GOG...if you click on “Reserve Diamond” you can see the price, but to compare to ASET and Idealscope of the 1.46 J VS2:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9422/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9944/

 

[JamiSteven]

yeah i like that a lot, but do you think it too big??

You would have to ask EXcel if it would fit in your setting...I don't know if it can be made to fit.

There is a thread with pictures of this stone but the lighting is really bad. Will try to find it.

I still like the H & A K w/bl. flour. from IDJ too. I'm just not a big fan of MRB and this Old Miner faceting I like better but that is just me.
This guy was looking for an antique cushion and this stone was too round for him.

Love the small table 46%

Now that I look at these pics again...the faceting looks pretty good...more like an OEC to me.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/antique-style-cushion.185565/page-3']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/antique-style-cushion.185565/page-3[/URL]

Ill have to ask Excel what they think. The stone in the pictures in the link looks pretty nice actually. Ill have to email Barry back and inquire on this one as his response when I asked for something under 5k was that he didnt have anything.

 

[JamiSteven]

Well, ive been coordinating with Larry at Excel to buy the old mine cut for the past four days and when I finally called him today from my bank to wire the money he told me the diamond was sold, after i clearly told him in the email that I wanted it and would call him to get the ball rolling on completing the transaction.

Im not sure ill find a good deal like that again on an old mine cut but im still searching!

 

[Niel]

Well, ive been coordinating with Larry at Excel to buy the old mine cut for the past four days and when I finally called him today from my bank to wire the money he told me the diamond was sold, after i clearly told him in the email that I wanted it and would call him to get the ball rolling on completing the transaction.

Im not sure ill find a good deal like that again on an old mine cut but im still searching!

Oh my gosh! im so sorry that happened! you'll find something

 

[JamiSteven]

Well, ive been coordinating with Larry at Excel to buy the old mine cut for the past four days and when I finally called him today from my bank to wire the money he told me the diamond was sold, after i clearly told him in the email that I wanted it and would call him to get the ball rolling on completing the transaction.

Im not sure ill find a good deal like that again on an old mine cut but im still searching!

Oh my gosh! im so sorry that happened! you'll find something

Yes, I was a bit shocked to say the least. What was even worse is he had no idea who I was, when I have sent him close to 10 emails regarding this and just spoke with him less than a week ago, last one stating "Barry, upon further thought about this I think I definitely would like to purchase this diamond regardless of whether it will fit in the tiffany setting or not".

Anyways, im back on the hunt!

 

[JamiSteven]

Neil, found this ---> http://diamondbistro.com/image/33993/item.html

I think the chip is a bit too big to be covered by prongs but I may be wrong.

 

[Christina...]

I'm certainly not an expert on old cuts, but I'd be surprised if the chip couldn't be covered with a prong. You could contact the seller for more info on that, and explain that you are hoping to set it in an original Tiffany setting. They claim that it was covered by a prong before, so you could ask what style setting she had it in. If you are hoping that the ring will pass as an original Tiffany ring, then you'd be better off looking for a MRB. If you want to stick with an old cut, then I'd contact OWD or JbEG and see what they might have.

 

[motownmama]

Me too. What does IDJ say about it??

 

[Niel]

I'm certainly not an expert on old cuts, but I'd be surprised if the chip couldn't be covered with a prong. You could contact the seller for more info on that, and explain that you are hoping to set it in an original Tiffany setting. They claim that it was covered by a prong before, so you could ask what style setting she had it in. If you are hoping that the ring will pass as an original Tiffany ring, then you'd be better off looking for a MRB. If you want to stick with an old cut, then I'd contact OWD or JbEG and see what they might have.

That's a really good deal, but if your concerned I don't know I just would only buy it if it could be returned if it didn't work. I agree though, I think an old diamond is the way to go. Good for your budget because you can go low in colo easier with an old cut. My only concern is I'd want to make sure it wasn't too deep.

 

[Christina...]

This one wouldn't be a stone that I would choose, but it's likely a bright stone, although it may have some obstruction issues. You can request IS images if your interested.
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.26-carat-j-color-si1-clarity-sku-204536

This one doesn't have a report, but might be ok, you can request one as well as an ideal scope.
http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3536550-1.27-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI1-clarity.aspx

again..need an IS and a gemologist to determine that it's eye clean
http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3141135-1.30-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3333925-1.31-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

 

[Dreamer_D]

I frankly think that GIA K Si2 from ID that you posted on page one is agreat option.

It is NOT one millimeter smaller. Where did you get that idea?

The original stone in the mount was 7.10mm and the IDJ stone is 6.99mm... that is a 0.10mm difference. That is an infinitesimal size difference, about half the thickness of a sheet of paper, so small that you cannot detect it with the eye and I cannot possibly imagine it is a problem for setting that diamond into your mount. IDJ have an excellent bench from what I have seen. In all liklihood the Tiffany mount was a stock casting for a 7mm stone anyways.

I also offer a firm reality check -- your budget is very small for the size you desire. You will need to compromise on carat or clarity or color -- never cut of course . I think that K Si2 from IDJ is a great compromise because once set, the prong will obscure the major inclusion. It will be very hard to see because the shadow of the prong will hide it.

 

[JamiSteven]

This one wouldn't be a stone that I would choose, but it's likely a bright stone, although it may have some obstruction issues. You can request IS images if your interested.
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.26-carat-j-color-si1-clarity-sku-204536

This one doesn't have a report, but might be ok, you can request one as well as an ideal scope.
http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3536550-1.27-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI1-clarity.aspx

again..need an IS and a gemologist to determine that it's eye clean
http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3141135-1.30-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3333925-1.31-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

Thanks for the help Christina! Now im thinking about going strictly with an old mine cut or european cut, and putting it a leon mege solitaire... Ill keep you all posted on the outcome as always!

 

[Niel]

This one wouldn't be a stone that I would choose, but it's likely a bright stone, although it may have some obstruction issues. You can request IS images if your interested.
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.26-carat-j-color-si1-clarity-sku-204536

This one doesn't have a report, but might be ok, you can request one as well as an ideal scope.
http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3536550-1.27-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI1-clarity.aspx

again..need an IS and a gemologist to determine that it's eye clean
http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3141135-1.30-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

http://b2cjewels.com/dd-3333925-1.31-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-clarity.aspx

Thanks for the help Christina! Now im thinking about going strictly with an old mine cut or european cut, and putting it a leon mege solitaire... Ill keep you all posted on the outcome as always!

so it wont be in that setting anymore?
If your getting a setting made for the stone, i found this K that looks nice.
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.20-carat-k-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-176244

 

[Christina...]

I agree with Dreamer about the IDJ stone being your best option. I'm not sure that with such a limited budget that I would work Leon Mege. I think that your best option is to put the bulk of the budget into the stone and either use the setting that you already own or purchase an inexpensive solitaire and plan on upgrading the setting for a special anniversary or occasion. I think that you are sacrificing too much by considering such an expensive setting option!!!!!

 

[04diamond<3]

I frankly think that GIA K Si2 from ID that you posted on page one is agreat option.

It is NOT one millimeter smaller. Where did you get that idea?

The original stone in the mount was 7.10mm and the IDJ stone is 6.99mm... that is a 0.10mm difference. That is an infinitesimal size difference, about half the thickness of a sheet of paper, so small that you cannot detect it with the eye and I cannot possibly imagine it is a problem for setting that diamond into your mount. IDJ have an excellent bench from what I have seen. In all liklihood the Tiffany mount was a stock casting for a 7mm stone anyways.

I also offer a firm reality check -- your budget is very small for the size you desire. You will need to compromise on carat or clarity or color -- never cut of course . I think that K Si2 from IDJ is a great compromise because once set, the prong will obscure the major inclusion. It will be very hard to see because the shadow of the prong will hide it.

HUGE +1 again. A better cut diamond will look bigger than a worse cut diamond any day (assuming they're the same size on paper)... as dreamer said, you WILL NOT notice a difference.

 

[Niel]

I frankly think that GIA K Si2 from ID that you posted on page one is agreat option.

It is NOT one millimeter smaller. Where did you get that idea?

The original stone in the mount was 7.10mm and the IDJ stone is 6.99mm... that is a 0.10mm difference. That is an infinitesimal size difference, about half the thickness of a sheet of paper, so small that you cannot detect it with the eye and I cannot possibly imagine it is a problem for setting that diamond into your mount. IDJ have an excellent bench from what I have seen. In all liklihood the Tiffany mount was a stock casting for a 7mm stone anyways.

I also offer a firm reality check -- your budget is very small for the size you desire. You will need to compromise on carat or clarity or color -- never cut of course . I think that K Si2 from IDJ is a great compromise because once set, the prong will obscure the major inclusion. It will be very hard to see because the shadow of the prong will hide it.

HUGE +1 again. A better cut diamond will look bigger than a worse cut diamond any day (assuming they're the same size on paper)... as dreamer said, you WILL NOT notice a difference.

I don't think the OP is concerned how large the stone will look but how well it will fit in his setting.

 

[04diamond<3]

I frankly think that GIA K Si2 from ID that you posted on page one is agreat option.

It is NOT one millimeter smaller. Where did you get that idea?

The original stone in the mount was 7.10mm and the IDJ stone is 6.99mm... that is a 0.10mm difference. That is an infinitesimal size difference, about half the thickness of a sheet of paper, so small that you cannot detect it with the eye and I cannot possibly imagine it is a problem for setting that diamond into your mount. IDJ have an excellent bench from what I have seen. In all liklihood the Tiffany mount was a stock casting for a 7mm stone anyways.

I also offer a firm reality check -- your budget is very small for the size you desire. You will need to compromise on carat or clarity or color -- never cut of course . I think that K Si2 from IDJ is a great compromise because once set, the prong will obscure the major inclusion. It will be very hard to see because the shadow of the prong will hide it.

HUGE +1 again. A better cut diamond will look bigger than a worse cut diamond any day (assuming they're the same size on paper)... as dreamer said, you WILL NOT notice a difference.

I don't think the OP is concerned how large the stone will look but how well it will fit in his setting.

Whatever the concern, I think everything was addressed. Only a jeweler can tell him/her how exactly it'll fit. Earlier I asked if the OP would send the setting to IDJ to make sure it'd fit and that wasn't answered.......the IDJ stone is a far better deal.

 

[JamiSteven]

I frankly think that GIA K Si2 from ID that you posted on page one is agreat option.

It is NOT one millimeter smaller. Where did you get that idea?

The original stone in the mount was 7.10mm and the IDJ stone is 6.99mm... that is a 0.10mm difference. That is an infinitesimal size difference, about half the thickness of a sheet of paper, so small that you cannot detect it with the eye and I cannot possibly imagine it is a problem for setting that diamond into your mount. IDJ have an excellent bench from what I have seen. In all liklihood the Tiffany mount was a stock casting for a 7mm stone anyways.

I also offer a firm reality check -- your budget is very small for the size you desire. You will need to compromise on carat or clarity or color -- never cut of course . I think that K Si2 from IDJ is a great compromise because once set, the prong will obscure the major inclusion. It will be very hard to see because the shadow of the prong will hide it.

HUGE +1 again. A better cut diamond will look bigger than a worse cut diamond any day (assuming they're the same size on paper)... as dreamer said, you WILL NOT notice a difference.

I don't think the OP is concerned how large the stone will look but how well it will fit in his setting.

Whatever the concern, I think everything was addressed. Only a jeweler can tell him/her how exactly it'll fit. Earlier I asked if the OP would send the setting to IDJ to make sure it'd fit and that wasn't answered.......the IDJ stone is a far better deal.

Yes your correct, everything has pretty much been addressed at this point. The thread has helped me realize that the right stone for this setting is simply not within reach. I know everyone thinks the IDJ is great but there is no way a prong is covering up that cloud, it is far too big and Tiffany's prongs are tiny, it will not look original and having seen quite a few authentic Tiffany settings with different stones since starting this thread Ive decided its just not the route to go as I dont want it to like "every girls dream", minus the diamond.

Ive decided that although LM's settings are quite pricey (2k for the four prong solitaire w/single prongs), I can save a decent amount by getting old mine cute diamond (which I like alot more now that ive been looking at them for the past week), and the end result will be better overall.

This needs to be perfect, even with my limited budget. Im moving to Switzerland for her after doing long distance for close to two years, with her being patient waiting on me and my job. I just want this to be the icing on the cake, her man is finally moving to be with her and ide like for her to have a nice ring as well, not only as a sign of our love but a sign of my appreciation of her patience and dedication for the past two years..

To be continued...

 

[Dreamer_D]

I frankly think that GIA K Si2 from ID that you posted on page one is agreat option.

It is NOT one millimeter smaller. Where did you get that idea?

The original stone in the mount was 7.10mm and the IDJ stone is 6.99mm... that is a 0.10mm difference. That is an infinitesimal size difference, about half the thickness of a sheet of paper, so small that you cannot detect it with the eye and I cannot possibly imagine it is a problem for setting that diamond into your mount. IDJ have an excellent bench from what I have seen. In all liklihood the Tiffany mount was a stock casting for a 7mm stone anyways.

I also offer a firm reality check -- your budget is very small for the size you desire. You will need to compromise on carat or clarity or color -- never cut of course . I think that K Si2 from IDJ is a great compromise because once set, the prong will obscure the major inclusion. It will be very hard to see because the shadow of the prong will hide it.

HUGE +1 again. A better cut diamond will look bigger than a worse cut diamond any day (assuming they're the same size on paper)... as dreamer said, you WILL NOT notice a difference.

I don't think the OP is concerned how large the stone will look but how well it will fit in his setting.

Of course a diamond only 0.10mm smaller than the one originally in the mount will fit. It is really an irrational concern, as the OP himself mentioned earlier. I honestly cannot imagine it would not fit.