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Best 5 stone setting for my E-ring?

Do you have the Gemscan reports? Post them if you do.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Do you have the Gemscan reports? Post them if you do.
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Thanks for your support. I have been listening to folks on this forum and I agree with what everyone is saying. I was just worried about losing my $500 deposit. But, it's not worth the money if I end up acquiring a ring that isn't what it says.

I don't have the gemscan report because they haven't given it to me yet.
I am curious if I should take their 'completed' ring to an independent appraiser here in Toronto.

Also: I've been to other local jewelers in the mean time. If the other jewelers have GIA certificates for the diamonds, is that better?

I really appreciate all of your feedback.
I've determined that this will be my wedding band that I'll wear independently of my e-ring on my left or right hand. I'll get a smaller band to wear with my e-ring. So, I'm fine with the size as it'll be a standalone piece.
 
Ok, I would not take that ring off their premises. They would likely want you to pay the balance to do so, and under no circumstances should you give them any more money. Because losing $500 is not good, but it's much better than trying to get back $5000.

So you are saying you never saw the gemscan reports before they made the ring? If that's the case, you weren't able to compare the diameters or gain any info on the cut. I am obviously a little behind on the sequence of events, but I am not sure why they would set the stones before you were sure whether those stones were even what you wanted. I don't like that they are basically pressuring you with the finished ring when you were telling them you wanted to stop.

I was mainly asking for the gemscan reports so we could at least try to tell something about diameter and possibly cut. That's information you always should insist upon prior to committing to buy. I know that's easy to say after the fact. but we are just trying to help you get a quality ring that you can have confidence in. I think many jewelers operate this way. They think they know best and the client doesn't need grading reports, etc. But I'd never do business with that kind of jeweler, because rarely does it work in the buyers favor.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Ok, I would not take that ring off their premises. They would likely want you to pay the balance to do so, and under no circumstances should you give them any more money. Because losing $500 is not good, but it's much better than trying to get back $5000.

So you are saying you never saw the gemscan reports before they made the ring? If that's the case, you weren't able to compare the diameters or gain any info on the cut. I am obviously a little behind on the sequence of events, but I am not sure why they would set the stones before you were sure whether those stones were even what you wanted. I don't like that they are basically pressuring you with the finished ring when you were telling them you wanted to stop.

I was mainly asking for the gemscan reports so we could at least try to tell something about diameter and possibly cut. That's information you always should insist upon prior to committing to buy. I know that's easy to say after the fact. but we are just trying to help you get a quality ring that you can have confidence in. I think many jewelers operate this way. They think they know best and the client doesn't need grading reports, etc. But I'd never do business with that kind of jeweler, because rarely does it work in the buyers favor.
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Yep, I'm deciding it's best not to take their ring off the premises. I called the day after to get my deposit back and they said no.
So, I let the process run itself out and I was thinking I'd see the end result. I haven't gone in to see the jeweler yet, but at this point, I think your advice is sound!

I have learned (yet again!) from the knowledgeable PSers on this forum. I won't be replaying this scenario unless I can verify everything properly WITH GIA certificates!

Thanks for all of your concern and help!
I always feel supported with PS folks for great insights!
 
tfc, I am so sorry about this process. I had a horrible experience w my local jewelry store and it is was a horrible learning lesson. Lost lots of $ and then went to GOG to have it all fixed. It took a long time to move past it but, hopefully things will work out for you. You are in great hands here and have received excellent advice.
 
Staceyjan said:
tfc, I am so sorry about this process. I had a horrible experience w my local jewelry store and it is was a horrible learning lesson. Lost lots of $ and then went to GOG to have it all fixed. It took a long time to move past it but, hopefully things will work out for you. You are in great hands here and have received excellent advice.
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Thanks very much for your sympathies! It sucks when learning lessons involve cash :(2
But, like you, it's a learning lesson. I'm getting wiser being on this forum, so at least I'll be able to enjoy my gorgeous jewels without a lot of heartache in the future.

I'm glad we didn't put down 50% of the costs. So, at least I can walk away without too much skin in the game.

You're 100% right about the folks on this forum! Everyone is very knowledgeable! I don't feel as vulnerable when it comes to making larger jewelry purchases!

I'm sorry that you also had an unfortunate local jeweler experience! What happened in your scenario? I think I just need to be wiser with everything from now on and trust my gut! :mrgreen2:
 
What did they say to you telling them that you won’t pay until each has a GIA certificate? And what if they get GIA certificates for each diamond and the report is grossly different than the gemscan report? Will the price be renegotiated to reflect the lesser specs diamonds? And more importantly will you be happy if the color, clarity and cut are not what you thought?

I think you should really parse all these things out before you pay for the ring. Once you pay then I think the ship will have sailed. Losing out on $500 is nothing compared to $5000.
 
I am on technically my fourth setting and love it. It is from GOG. But, it was a long road as the local jeweler created my 2nd setting which was also a halo that did not really fit well w center stone. Then we agreed to take off halo head and pop it on top of first setting. Instead, they cut first setting which was a saw tooth setting and nothing lined up. It was a disaster. On top of it all, I was wearing a T&CO silver band ring and they offered to polish it once while having a pair of T&Co earrings that I asked to make into size 5 rings. They wanted to hold the ring to clean it better and sent everything out. My earrings were never made into rings. Instead, they made my size 8 band into a size 5. It was bumpy and uneven. All the writing where is says T&Co was smeared and so many cut marks were made in the ring. That was the last straw and I was furious. We had a huge argument. I told them I was going to take pics and put in the local paper as the pictures speak for themselves. They stated they would ruin my professional reputation if I pursued anything and threatened to tell my employer how unprofessional I was and told me that they could not believe that I was in this professional position as I was so unprofessional! I had no choice but to pay as I worked hard to build my career and did not want it tarnished over this.

Sorry, so complicated. Silver lining was I went to T&Co to see if they can even out the silver ring. I was also thinking about replacing it as it was only $150. They manager let me keep the ring and gave me a new one! Things have a way of working out but time and money is lost in the process.
 
JDDN said:
What did they say to you telling them that you won’t pay until each has a GIA certificate? And what if they get GIA certificates for each diamond and the report is grossly different than the gemscan report? Will the price be renegotiated to reflect the lesser specs diamonds? And more importantly will you be happy if the color, clarity and cut are not what you thought?

I think you should really parse all these things out before you pay for the ring. Once you pay then I think the ship will have sailed. Losing out on $500 is nothing compared to $5000.
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Well, she said the process had already begun, so I was out the cash.
I didn't bother fighting anymore at that point because I had to contemplate my options for a bit.
It's so interesting how my opinions and view of this whole situation has changed because of the insight from PSers!
I think it's better I heed advice and take everyone's experience on this forum to heart. I agree with you about the resolution to all of this. If I get a GIA report back that suggests that they diamonds are grossly different than the gemscan report, than I will definitely NOT be pleased with the results.

At this point, I haven't spoken to the jewelers yet about the final decision. I don't know if I should go in and demand GIA reports for each ring and if they don't reflect the gemscan reports than I get my cash back. The problem is, those reports cost more money and it's extremely doubtful that the jeweler will give me the cash deposit back.

I'll figure out how to make up that $500. It's crazy, going through wedding planning, that $500 is the cost of my flowers for my shower :(2

Oh well, life lessons.
Thanks again for your opinion and strategies!
 
Staceyjan said:
I am on technically my fourth setting and love it. It is from GOG. But, it was a long road as the local jeweler created my 2nd setting which was also a halo that did not really fit well w center stone. Then we agreed to take off halo head and pop it on top of first setting. Instead, they cut first setting which was a saw tooth setting and nothing lined up. It was a disaster. On top of it all, I was wearing a T&CO silver band ring and they offered to polish it once while having a pair of T&Co earrings that I asked to make into size 5 rings. They wanted to hold the ring to clean it better and sent everything out. My earrings were never made into rings. Instead, they made my size 8 band into a size 5. It was bumpy and uneven. All the writing where is says T&Co was smeared and so many cut marks were made in the ring. That was the last straw and I was furious. We had a huge argument. I told them I was going to take pics and put in the local paper as the pictures speak for themselves. They stated they would ruin my professional reputation if I pursued anything and threatened to tell my employer how unprofessional I was and told me that they could not believe that I was in this professional position as I was so unprofessional! I had no choice but to pay as I worked hard to build my career and did not want it tarnished over this.

Sorry, so complicated. Silver lining was I went to T&Co to see if they can even out the silver ring. I was also thinking about replacing it as it was only $150. They manager let me keep the ring and gave me a new one! Things have a way of working out but time and money is lost in the process.
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Oh my goodness! What a crazy story!!!!!!
I can't believe how that played out for you.
I'm sorry that you had to deal with that strife! I'm very emotional with my jewelry (my e-ring ordeal demonstrates this point) and I would be furious if someone mucked around with my gems!
Hearing about your outcome makes me feel wonderful! I'm glad things worked out for you.
Boy, petty people can be very unreasonable (like that local jeweler).
I am glad I have folks like you to learn from and not make the same mistakes. At least those life lessons might help someone like myself in the future. The horrible experiences have a way of giving back for the better by living on as warnings to others!

I'm curious what folks on here think I should do going forward. I figure I should cut ties with these jewelers and try again someone else with legit certs etc.
 
If you have them send the diamonds to GIA, that's going to add another few hundred to the cost of this project and will make them even more angry if you back out. Ask for the Gemscan reports to post here. Hopefully we can tell by the measurements if the stones are good ones or not. The color and clarity could be right. But the odds of those 5 stones being cut well is not good!
 
tfc_diamondlvr said:
Oh my goodness! What a crazy story!!!!!!
I can't believe how that played out for you.
I'm sorry that you had to deal with that strife! I'm very emotional with my jewelry (my e-ring ordeal demonstrates this point) and I would be furious if someone mucked around with my gems!
Hearing about your outcome makes me feel wonderful! I'm glad things worked out for you.
Boy, petty people can be very unreasonable (like that local jeweler).
I am glad I have folks like you to learn from and not make the same mistakes. At least those life lessons might help someone like myself in the future. The horrible experiences have a way of giving back for the better by living on as warnings to others!

I'm curious what folks on here think I should do going forward. I figure I should cut ties with these jewelers and try again someone else with legit certs etc.
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Yes, cut ties after this and try to separate your feelings regarding the situation w how you see the ring. It is unfortunate that I seem to like an item more when I have great service.
 
I think you may as well post the Gemscan reports and we can take a look at them here. They've already made the ring which you did give the okay to do. So let's take a look and see the reports. Also, have you seen the finished ring? Maybe you'll love it and then really that is all that matters.
 
OP perhaps the ring will be beautiful and you would love it. You can post pictures and the reports that they have and PSers will be able to give you their feedback, but in the end of the day if you love the ring, that is all that matters!
 
Just a small update:
So, I went back to the place to see the reports. I specifically said before that I had wanted the reports when we first put down a deposit.

They didn't print any of the detailed reports for the diamonds. They only got one report for the ring as a whole, which was NOT what I said.
I kept insisting that there are supposed to be reports similar to GIA with the cut dimensions and other details. They denied that saying there wasn't such a thing from gemscan.

I'm looking into other vendors at this point and taking a loss of money.
They said they'd swap things out for GIA cert diamonds, but they're giving me a pretty bad price for the quality/cut/color etc.

I'm in talks with ID jewelry.
If anyone has other alternatives, that'd be great.
I'm looking to keep everything around $5k with taxes (and shipping if from the U.S.).

I'm still around thirty pointers + for each as I saw how good it'll look on my finger.

Thanks folks for your support thus far!
My ring sagas continue :D:D Oh well, a little bit of drama for PSers to sink their teeth into :D
 
SimoneDi said:
@tfc_diamondlvr do you have any pics of the completed ring?

Btw I saw this on IG and I thought of you: https://instagram.com/p/Be6A_sTBLyi/
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They wouldn't let me take pics of the completed ring :x2

I will say that 3 out of the 5 diamonds are only 'good' cuts from gemscan. I can only imagine what GIA would give it.

They kept telling me that gemscan was better than GIA. I was like, um...no :lol-2:

I'll take a look at that instagram moment after work. My work blocks instagram for some strange reason :)
 
tfc_diamondlvr said:
They wouldn't let me take pics of the completed ring :x2

I will say that 3 out of the 5 diamonds are only 'good' cuts from gemscan. I can only imagine what GIA would give it.

They kept telling me that gemscan was better than GIA. I was like, um...no :lol-2:

I'll take a look at that instagram moment after work. My work blocks instagram for some strange reason :)
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Ok.. and just to confirm, if you walk away from the ring, you only lose the $500 CAD deposit?
 
SimoneDi said:
Ok.. and just to confirm, if you walk away from the ring, you only lose the $500 CAD deposit?
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Yep. That's exactly what will happen.
 
Great budget, I feel you will get a beautiful ring with that price. Previously, both I.D. Jewellery and WhiteFlash has quoted me a bit over $5K USD for a 5 stone with 30 pointers. Playing around with the colour and going lower in clarity will help keep the price down too.
 
tfc_diamondlvr said:
Yep. That's exactly what will happen.
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It doesn’t sounds like a terrible loss I. The grand schema of things. Hopefully, it is a lesson learned for the future ;)

Were you able to try the ring on at least and see if the size feels good to you?

Also, for your new band, I think that IDJ is a good place to look for a new ring. I still consider that you should not go with F/VVs diamonds. I would personally look for H/VS-SI. You have an I colored engagement diamond. There is really no need for such a drastic color difference because H color is still plenty white!
 
SimoneDi said:
It doesn’t sounds like a terrible loss I. The grand schema of things. Hopefully, it is a lesson learned for the future ;-)

Were you able to try the ring on at least and see if the size feels good to you?

Also, for your new band, I think that IDJ is a good place to look for a new ring. I still consider that you should not go with F/VVs diamonds. I would personally look for H/VS-SI. You have an I colored engagement diamond. There is really no need for such a drastic color difference because H color is still plenty white!
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100% in agreement with you.
It's VS or SI all the way.
Let's see if I can get at least VS.
I don't mind a lower color.
But, I think for me it's important to get an excellent cut :)

So, I'm negotiating with someone right now here in Toronto for 5 30 pointers at VS with excellent cut from GIA with colors around E or F. She wants $5280 taxes in for everything.
She said she'll bring in the diamonds first with their GIA certificates and I can take photos and post them on PS so everyone can give their feedback.

I did get to try on the ring at the other store. The stones fit perfectly. It looked gorgeous on my finger :lol-2::lol-2::lol-2::lol-2::lol-2:

I can't wait to get one of these gorgeous rings!
 
@tfc_diamondlvr would you be able to share your Toronto contact? I would love to pick up a 5 stone locally for 5K Canadian.
 
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