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Assessing OEC stone with GIA report and aset

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Lovesparklesparle

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I am considering this diamond for purchase and am wondering your thoughts about if it will perform well vs just ok, and if it is a good price (I am told by the vendor it’s a great price). It is just under 3k, K vs2 and 1.07ct.

There doesn’t seem to be much contrast pattern? Is there anything I’m missing?

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6197358270&s=1531048781101



And then there is this one ....

http://www.loveaffairdiamonds.com/1-10ct-vintage-old-european-cut-diamond-ring-est-k-l-vs/



Thanks in advance
 
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This one is at the local pawn shop and they are asking $4450 (6k aud) as their lowest price. It’s 1.2 ct centre H/I si1. Tcw 1.6. It’s a lot above what I want to spend but maybe the price tag is justified? It seems high to me. Thoughts? (It’s pavillion is filthy btw).
 

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I don't like #1 at all. Nothing about it.. especially the chip. #3 it's really hard to say looking at it set. Is there GIA report? I didn't look at #2. Suffice to say AGS is better with Old European Cuts. You may want to search out August Vintage Rounds. The "modern" Old European. Beautiful faceting and they are cut to dazzle!
 
I am not too familiar with OECs with ASET so I'm not really sure what a great OEC ASET looks like but I'm not really digging the symmetry or the facet patterns that are coming back. This is a purely personal decision. I do like the ring from LAD I think it's nice from those pictures. I'm not sure about the last one because the imagery is quite different from LAD so it might be better? It's pretty hard to tell just from that image. The price seems in line with what a 1.2 H/SI1 would sell for. If I had to pick I'd take a flyer on the LAD one. She has a pretty awesome reputation for selling great OECs. I personally didn't buy from her but her ig is drool worthy.
 
OEC are a very personal choice, the personality of the stone factors in almost as much as the performance. You want a well cut stone that speaks to you.

I prefer the facet pattern of the stone listed with LAD. Erica has a great eye for stones, so I would feel comfortable with a stone that she has vetted.
 
OcnGypZ said:
I don't like #1 at all. Nothing about it.. especially the chip. #3 it's really hard to say looking at it set. Is there GIA report? I didn't look at #2. Suffice to say AGS is better with Old European Cuts. You may want to search out August Vintage Rounds. The "modern" Old European. Beautiful faceting and they are cut to dazzle!
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Re #1- Oh really? what are the biggest no no’s in your opinion? Lack of contrast and symmetry?

I got this comparison video done up for me with commentary- I asked for it specifically to be compared to an August vintage. The last diamond In the line up(vs1) is much more expensive.



Does the price reflect the quality of the stone?

Can I realistically do better for the coin.. I have been looking for a while...?



Re #3- no certificate, just an insurance appraisal. I offered the owner $4000 aud cash and she just about laughed at me . The girl that works there was telling me it was a great price as is as the appraisal says it’s worth over 12k lol.

Thanks
 
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I’ll be honest... assessing vintage stones brought to life by artisans of ages past, designed to shine in candlelight, with modern light reflector technology that rewards performance in a completely different lifting environment... is very low on my list of recommendations!!

If you want the sort of light performance that precision-cutting in “old style patterning” yields - this is definitely not the stone for you. Many value vintage stones for different reasons though - the asymmetry and imperfection translates into charm and character. Different philosophies - you’ll have to figure out what yours is and whether this stone suits your goals. I think it’s adorable, personally ::)
 
yssie said:
I’ll be honest... assessing vintage stones brought to life by artisans of ages past, designed to shine in candlelight, with modern light reflector technology that rewards performance in a completely different lifting environment... is very low on my list of recommendations!!

If you want the sort of light performance that precision-cutting in “old style patterning” yields - this is definitely not the stone for you. Many value vintage stones for different reasons though - the asymmetry and imperfection translates into charm and character. Different philosophies - you’ll have to figure out what yours is and whether this stone suits your goals. I think it’s adorable, personally ::)
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Thanks for the reply. How do you feel about how it is priced? Do you think I can do better in this price range...
 
After seeing the video I think it looks nice. I think this stone is priced reasonably. I know that if you looked at https://www.jewelsbygrace.com/ it seems well priced. It's just hard to really know without seeing it in person! I do think the video makes me feel like it's pretty great.
 
I just don’t know what to do! Ive a slight case of fomo, but am also wary of buyers remorse. This will be an e ring upgrade and it is unlikely to happen again after this time.

It will cost $100 usd to ship it here plus $80 or so in customs fees, and another $100 to return it if required.

If I bought this stone, would it be hard to resell later (LT, DB etc) without too much of a loss?

If anyone is selling something similar I’d love to hear from you!
 
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Thanks for the reply. How do you feel about how it is priced? Do you think I can do better in this price range...
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It is an excellent price for what it is (a vintage stone) and how you are buying it (new from a vendor that is willing to provide light return analysis, inspection, return policy).

We cannot answer “can you do better” without knowing what you want. What do you value in an antique stone? I strongly suggest slowing down and taking a few days to think about this - don’t buy if you aren’t confident you’ll love this stone, and definitely don’t count on selling preloaded to recoup substantial costs on principle.
 
In the grand scheme of things, if you like it for its price, it seems to be a very good vintage stone with a return policy. It'll cost $280 if it comes down to that, but it's much more safe to get 90% of your money back than trying to sell it by yourself. If it's calling to you because you like the facet patterning and its character on video, then I'd say it's a great buy and to try it out. However, if you are still on the fence about it due to buyers remorse, then I'd say to keep looking. The video on the pawn shop ring is hard to compare apples to apples with the GOG videos, or even LADs photos. OECs are very personal decisions so its hard to say if what I would do is the best for you. Nevertheless, the price for the 1.07K seems worthy to take a leap of faith, for me personally.
 
yssie said:
It is an excellent price for what it is (a vintage stone) and how you are buying it (new from a vendor that is willing to provide light return analysis, inspection, return policy).

We cannot answer “can you do better” without knowing what you want. What do you value in an antique stone? I strongly suggest slowing down and taking a few days to think about this - don’t buy if you aren’t confident you’ll love this stone, and definitely don’t count on selling preloaded to recoup substantial costs on principle.
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:eek-2::bigsmile:
Preloved, ammo removed and safely stowed.
 
twang07 said:
In the grand scheme of things, if you like it for its price, it seems to be a very good vintage stone with a return policy. It'll cost $280 if it comes down to that, but it's much more safe to get 90% of your money back than trying to sell it by yourself. If it's calling to you because you like the facet patterning and its character on video, then I'd say it's a great buy and to try it out. However, if you are still on the fence about it due to buyers remorse, then I'd say to keep looking. The video on the pawn shop ring is hard to compare apples to apples with the GOG videos, or even LADs photos. OECs are very personal decisions so its hard to say if what I would do is the best for you. Nevertheless, the price for the 1.07K seems worthy to take a leap of faith, for me personally.
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Thank you for reply. I think it might be... But I’m unsure... I will ask for another video in similar lighting conditions to the LAD piece and in comparison to an AVR.

I know it’s usual for antique stones to have wear around the girdle- is the damage on this stone minor enough to not be a concern for future wear? Is this why it is priced as such? I do trust GoG and that it would still be a vs ...

What do I want from this stone- I want to look at it and be in love. It doesn’t need to be perfect, but I just want that special feeling you get when you look at something you think is just beautiful.

The LAD IS glorious indeed.
 
When y’all found your special stones was it love at first sight? For lack of a better expression.... at what point did you realise it was the one? ie from pics or when you first laid eyes on it. Or did you grow to love it...

Have you been disappointed after receiving a stone you thought you would love, or had your expectations exceeded?
 
Lovesparklesparle said:
When y’all found your special stones was it love at first sight? For lack of a better expression.... at what point did you realise it was the one? ie from pics or when you first laid eyes on it. Or did you grow to love it...

Have you been disappointed after receiving a stone you thought you would love, or had your expectations exceeded?
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I found my OEC at a local jeweler that carried these type of cuts. I honestly had no idea what I was looking for, I just knew I liked the facet patterning and the warmer toned glow. I never owned a diamond before I went shopping for my current stone.

I loved my stone initially, the facets really caught my eye, I liked how they were arranged and I liked how they were so crisp, clear, somewhat symmetrical but not exactly perfect. It had a ton of sparkle and fire, felt like watching a rainbow. I preferred the size, color and the way it sparkled over other diamonds in my budget. I didn't have time to look forever, nor did I want to, so I just accepted it. After taking it home, I started noticing that my stone in some lights would be obstructed by my head at very close viewing distance. In the beginning, this bothered me a lot, wasn't sure if I should keep it. After a lot more staring, I really fell in love the crisp patterning in the table, and I enjoy the way it comes to life when I move it around, its distinct personality in different lighting scenarios. So no, I didn't 100% love it initially, but it has definitely enamored me. Could I have done better? Maybe... Nevertheless, I love it now.
 
Lovesparklesparle said:
When y’all found your special stones was it love at first sight? For lack of a better expression.... at what point did you realise it was the one? ie from pics or when you first laid eyes on it. Or did you grow to love it...

Have you been disappointed after receiving a stone you thought you would love, or had your expectations exceeded?
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Mine wasn’t love at first sight - I was bookmarking all the ones that I liked and then I would sit down once a week and grade the bookmarks against each other to find my preferred look.
I found I kept coming back to mine cos I really liked how it looked - the setting worked with the stone and the faceting drew my eyes back to it every time. I wasn’t sure what to make of it when I got it tho - months after I’d paid for it. I started researching the proportions (after the fact! :rolleyes2:) and realised on paper, I’d bought a dud which made me feel sick and sad.
Except despite that, it was really sparkly and I loved how it looked on my hand and when I looked down I could see the flower petals. So I stopped worrying about the perfect proportions and let my eyes tell me if I liked it or not. Which I realised I do, imperfections and all.
 
They are such great love stories :kiss2: I love hearing about the journey. I wonder because I can’t stop thinking about the pawn shop one since I saw it... despite everything it’s a shame there’s nothing around here to compare it to in person - maybe they all look amazing (it’s the only large Oec I’ve ever seen in real life).

Have you gone on to buy more “ideal” old cuts?

This is one of the first stones I was looking at for $2600 usd

In this comparison I much prefer the bigger stones look though..

I think it’s a lot of reflected colours but this video made me think it was too warm for me, though they assured me it was quite white face up

Thoughts?
 
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That last video, I can’t tell body colour at all - there’s so much other stuff with reflected colours etc. the comparisons video, the larger one is basically the same setting as my ering so I feel very warmly towards it :lol: but it is also really pretty too
 

Can you tell which is which?

My k vs1.07 vs AVR


Can you post your e ring? I love that big one
 
I really liked my oec the first time I saw it. I didn’t buy it b/c I wasn’t ready to transition from an MRB. I never forgot it and when I was ready it was there for me. I remember that the faceting looked very symmetrical to me. Here is a pic. I will try to get a decent ASET later.
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LLJsmom said:
I really liked my oec the first time I saw it. I didn’t buy it b/c I wasn’t ready to transition from an MRB. I never forgot it and when I was ready it was there for me. I remember that the faceting looked very symmetrical to me. Here is a pic. I will try to get a decent ASET later.
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Omg that is amazing it just looks ... I don’t even know what the word is! What are the stats? It would be interesting to see how the aset translates to how the eye sees it with more pics ;)
 
Lovesparklesparle said:
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5c43/yodv63195gh2tt7zg.jpg?size_id=6

Angles and stuff - Tbh I have no idea what it all amounts to . Can anyone interpret please?

I’m thinking I might try it out ... I have spent a lot of time looking at the videos etc...
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Nothing useful re the angles and stuff except the crown is niiice and puffy at 19% I believe that bodes well for fiery goodness :appl:
My ering I’ve probably posted too many pix of already but here’s a shot showing its flowery middle - it’s a lot whiter than this picture suggests.
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foxinsox said:
Nothing useful re the angles and stuff except the crown is niiice and puffy at 19% I believe that bodes well for fiery goodness :appl:
My ering I’ve probably posted too many pix of already but here’s a shot showing its flowery middle - it’s a lot whiter than this picture suggests.
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Dear god that is amazing! The proportions are spot on. Am I right in that the fatter and shorter the petals the shorter the lower half facets? And the ones with almost Circle like petals must have very tall crowns?
Do you have links to threads re this stone I can read?

I have decided I like the look of this faceting below but I don’t know what actually makes it look the way it does.... I like the big petals on the outside area ...

What should I look for besides using only my eye? Any tips identifying this style?

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I am almost at the buy phase of the stone which is the subject of this thread - everyone likes the LAD stone who I’ve asked, but I don’t know if almost twice the price is worth it...
 
Were you happy to pay a retail premium because you just loved it? Were there any other contenders.
 
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