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Brantley

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First of all new to the site. I never knew there was so much information on buying a ring. I thought you went to a store and bought what you liked. Well at least I have found this site b/c thus far it has been a tremendous help.

The bottom line is that my girlfriend is a simple but classy girl. Her thought''s on the ring are important (I took her looking about a year ago to get an idea of what she liked). At that time, she wanted an elegant, vintage ring. The salesperson pushed her to some dinky rings, but the idea went over pretty good. Her initial thought on style was a princess or a round brilliant (leaning heavily towards the princess b/c it seemed to better fit the vintage, elegant theme). However, she trusts me to make a solid purchase because she knows that I will spend an enormous amount of time researching this decision (plus I have done well in the past)!

I have been exploring for the last several months in my spare time and I think that I like the Daniel K rings - in my opinion very elegant with a vintage flair. However, I know that there are other things out there. In addition, my initial thought is that she would abosolutely love an Asscher diamond and even more so a Royal Asscher diamond (with a slight possibility existing for a cushion cut). On the other hand, I am having a difficult time processing all of this information regarding the quality of the diamond. I have always thought that I needed to be in the DEF range, higher than VS2, and with a very good to excellent cut. To my demise, there are other things that I have to take into consideration like table size, depth, LW ratios, and many other considerations. I guess I am saying that I have become overwhelmed with the options. Where do you sacrifice the least to pick up the most?

My timeline is sometime this summer and the price range floats into the $10,000 to $13,000 range when including the ring. The surprise element is crucial, so therefore I can not ask her any more questions (no sisters either).

Any help is greatly appreciated. And thanks again for already providing a wealth of knowledge.
 
brantley.....to learn quite a bit about royal asscher versus asscher cut, perform a pscope ''search''. type in ''royal asscher'' and/or ''asscher cut''...you''ll get alot of threads and posts...g''luck!

ron...
 
Ron,

So based on a lot of these readings, it seems that it depends on your personality (as with any other purchase). On the other hand, there are different levels of quality. In my opinion, when you go with a "patented product" you sometimes tend to lose out on the uniqueness, but you gain some ''comfort'' in knowing that you are getting a certain quality product.

Reading some information, makes it sound as if Daniel K cuts an excellent Asscher diamond, so potentially purchasing one of his rings with the diamond already in it would also guarantee a certain level of quality.

Does anyone have any comments on the quality of a Daniel K setting/Asscher diamond and a Royal Asshcer diamond? In addition, it seems like NiceIce and BlueNile have good asscher diamonds as well.

Obviously it seems that there are polarized camps on buying a Royal Asscher vs. a normal Asscher diamond. This is something that I will have to determine on my own. However, are there any recent buyers out there that would like to comment on there post purchase feelings of either?
 
If you do a search on PS for asscher you will find a tremendous wealth of knowledge and comparison btw the two. If you are set on a Daniel K there are many authorized dealers one recent (and very happy) couple bought theirs from Judith Arnell (see 2nd link). If you decide to go with generic I would hands down go with Good Old Gold (GOG) Jonathan and his amazing staff only bring in the very best and carry both RA and generic. We just bought our asscher from GOG it is being sent to MWM for setting but it is just beautiful and IMHO very reasonably priced. I have heard Nice Ice carries nice inventory as well. Storm should be along soon he is considered the PS guru on asschers hopefully he will chime in soon. He was a huge help in helping us find our lovely sparkly. Here are some links that might help in your search. The last link shows the asscher we just bought it''s the one on the left. Best of luck to you and keep us posted.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/all-about-asschers.24689/page-2

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/thank-you-ps-huge-rave-for-judith-arnell.36291/

http://goodoldgold.com/

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/cym-bries-asscher-quest-pix-included-more-to-come.41246/=
 
Date: 3/12/2006 12:04:32 PM
Author:Brantley


I never knew there was so much information on buying a ring. I thought you went to a store and bought what you liked.
''Guess that works too. I don''t think you should pay for someone else''s likes and dislikes.

It makes sense to research a bit a large purchase. Nothing new with that bit, I suppose. It may help to know what you are looking for before hitting the stores, because few if any are going to show you allot to choose from and each needs to push stock, more or less.

Sure there is allot to say about diamonds - it is an old industry amassing information behind the looks and prices of these stones. One can analyze anything to death. Even for fun (i.e. that''s what happened to me on this forum
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My 2c
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After doing me research on some of these posts, can I afford what I want to get her? Or do I need to be looking at other options?
 
Daniel K sells some nice asschers.
Its a case by case basis but if you find the ring you want with one of his asschers its worth looking into.

http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/
Is a dealer for them and has some on his webssite.
 
Hey Brantley,

Our search for my e-ring was in the same budget ballpark and I had almost exactly the same thoughts/tastes as you''re describing in your gal. I researched Royals vs Regular Asschers, loved loved loved the Daniel K''s but ultimately wanted a larger size center stone rather than a MUCH smaller Royal or EVEN SMALLER Daniel K stone in a Daniel K setting.

My stone isn''t the "ideal" specs for an Asscher but close ... and PERFECT in my eyes (and the budget!). We ended up with an antique-looking handmade but not custom platinum e-ring settting with some pave and a 1.5 ct H VVS1 Square emerald "generic asscher" stone.

FYI ...for comparison sake: a similar size/color/clarity Daniel K. stone & setting was approx $23,000. A one carat Royal in a stock Bailey Banks & Biddle setting was approx $11K.

Here''s a link to my thread in case you''re curious ... deco''s ring thread

Good luck! If there''s anything else you''d like to know specifically about our search or the ring, lemmie know!
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Hello Brantley!

I wasn''t sure about the asscher/royal assher decision either. I ended up going with a generic asscher, and I absolutely love it. I think RA''s tend to look a little busy sometimes. Don''t get me wrong, I think they are lovely, but I honestly like my generic asscher better...

I''m not sure how to link to my thread...I''m not as good as Deco. Btw, Deco, I don''t know how I didn''t realize that you are also an asscher gal. Great minds think alike!
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brantley, aslo, you can check a post i started called ''who owns a royal asscher''...or somethin'' like that....just do a search for ''tierhog'' and you should find some royal asscher, as well as non-branded asscher owners there...g'' luck....

ron...
 
Thanks for everyone''s comments/suggestions. I guess I will continue to do some more searching this week (and beyond) and see what I can turn up. I will keep you posted on my progress.
 
I have been doing some more research and decided to stick with either an Asscher (not a Royal Asscher) or a H & A Princess cut. However, I have the following question for the diamond experts on their thoughts of asking for the following specs on an Asscher:

1.25 to 1.4 carat
Ideal Cut
F or G Color (maybe H)
VVS2 to VS2
Table 55% to 65%
Depth 65% to 70%
Light Blue Fluorescence is OK
Medium to Medium Thick
No Culets
Polish Excellent to Very Good
Symmetry Excellent to Very Good

Diamond price - $8,000 to $9,500

Does that sound like a good request to start out on with the Asscher? If not, where am I going astray. I have emailed back and forth with Tim from GOG and will be calling him sometime next week (maybe even making a trip in the next two weeks), but I need a starting point on the Asscher. I think I have a starting point for the H&A princess cut.

Thanks again for any input.
 
Looks good. I don't think there is a standardized definition of "Ideal" cut Asschers though ...places that say theirs are "ideal" have perhaps their own definition of ideal .. (i.e. Blue Nile's Signature Ideal -- or -- some weird stores call ALL their diamonds "ideal")

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong ..

ETA: IMO don't get too hung up on girdle width, you could miss some good stones looking for just "medium/medium thick" ... as long it isn't EXTREMELY THIN or EXTREMEMLY THICK it'd probably be fine ... especially if the Sym is VG to EX.

I'd also add "GIA" or "AGS" certified to my "wish list" too ...
 
square as possible
table under 63% - 64 and 65 can work but are pushing it.

med-sthick or sthick to thick are more realistic on the girdle.

rest looks good.
 
Storm,

So should both the table and the depth be between 65% and 70%? Thanks for your input.

Decodelighted,

Thanks for your input. I will take girdle request out and just work around what I am given with this information in mind.
 
Date: 3/12/2006 12:04:32 PM
Author:Brantley
First of all new to the site. I never knew there was so much information on buying a ring. I thought you went to a store and bought what you liked. Well at least I have found this site b/c thus far it has been a tremendous help.

The bottom line is that my girlfriend is a simple but classy girl. Her thought''s on the ring are important (I took her looking about a year ago to get an idea of what she liked). At that time, she wanted an elegant, vintage ring. The salesperson pushed her to some dinky rings, but the idea went over pretty good. Her initial thought on style was a princess or a round brilliant (leaning heavily towards the princess b/c it seemed to better fit the vintage, elegant theme). However, she trusts me to make a solid purchase because she knows that I will spend an enormous amount of time researching this decision (plus I have done well in the past)!

I have been exploring for the last several months in my spare time and I think that I like the Daniel K rings - in my opinion very elegant with a vintage flair. However, I know that there are other things out there. In addition, my initial thought is that she would abosolutely love an Asscher diamond and even more so a Royal Asscher diamond (with a slight possibility existing for a cushion cut). On the other hand, I am having a difficult time processing all of this information regarding the quality of the diamond. I have always thought that I needed to be in the DEF range, higher than VS2, and with a very good to excellent cut. To my demise, there are other things that I have to take into consideration like table size, depth, LW ratios, and many other considerations. I guess I am saying that I have become overwhelmed with the options. Where do you sacrifice the least to pick up the most?

My timeline is sometime this summer and the price range floats into the $10,000 to $13,000 range when including the ring. The surprise element is crucial, so therefore I can not ask her any more questions (no sisters either).

Any help is greatly appreciated. And thanks again for already providing a wealth of knowledge.
If you are looking towards "vintage" feel...

Estate and Antique etc, etc. jewelry does not include Princess cut diamonds simply because it didnt exist back then.
Most of these jewelers will even stock Princess cuts...

Just some info for your knowledge...

Asschers and Cushions and offcourse OEC are the right gems for your direction.
 
I am looking at a couple of different diamonds and wanted to know what people thought of them. Does any one seem to be a better ''value'' than the others. They are all Asschers. I am a little hesitant b/c storm said tables under 63,64,65 are sometime questionable. Any input anyone?

Weight: 1.33
Color:G
Clarity: VS1
Optical Symmetry: Common
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence: Negligible
Girdle: 3.51%
Width: 6.05
Lenght: 6.12
Depth: 4.17
Table: 61.03%
Depth: 68.98%
Crown Depth: 19.65%
Pavilion Depth: 45.36%
Price:$8,400

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1034/

Weight: 1.32
Color: D
Clarity: VS1
Optical Symmetry: Common
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence: Medium
Girdle: 4.61%
Width: 6.08
Length: 6.13
Depth: 4.13
Table: 60.99%
Depth: 67.95%
Crown Depth: 15.64%
Pavilion Depth: 46.95%
Price: $9,470

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2025/

Weight: 1.25
Color: F
Clarit: VS1
Optical Symmetry: Common
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Flourescence: Negligible
Girdle: 4.63%
Width: 5.91
Length: 5.97
Depth: 4.07
Table: 63.05%
Depth: 68.75%
Crown Depth: 17.98%
Pavilion Depth: 45.45%
Price: $8,900

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2026/

For the record I think I like the Medium Flourescence but I have not decided yet.

Thanks for you help guys/gals. I really do appreciate your input over the last several weeks.

Brantley
 
I like all 3 of those.
they have slightly different personalities but are well cut.
I thought the first one had sold a long time ago wierd...

in order of preference cost not an object:
1.25ct F VS1
1.32ct D VS1
1.33ct G VS1

honestly theey are all 3 good.
 
Here is a helium data generated ASET image for the first one..

More red would be better but its better than a whole lot of them.
It would rank about a strm2, the typical asscher is about a 8 with 0 being the best.

betterthanaverage.jpg
 
Yikes I just saw we had a mis-comunication I wasnt that clear....
You want to stay under around 63% or so on the table. 64-65 will somtimes work.
All 3 of those are fine.
 
Storm,

How are you able to generate the ASET image of that asscher? You must have the software, and do you just plug in the numbers?

I''m curious to see what an ASET image of the asscher I am considering will look like!

Thanks!
 
I like all 3 of them. I bought my asscher from GOG too.
 
Date: 4/8/2006 4:24:18 PM
Author: in search
Storm,


How are you able to generate the ASET image of that asscher? You must have the software, and do you just plug in the numbers?


I'm curious to see what an ASET image of the asscher I am considering will look like!


Thanks!

If its from GOG the gem files he has posted can be used.
The viewer will show you the computed ASET image.
Check the file size on the gem file if its over edit: 20k its helium data if its around 2k then its sarin data which isnt close to being accurate enough for models of asschers.

edit:
Something may have changed with the file sizes in the latest gem viewer/dc combo so im asking Jon to clarify which data is used for the asscher gem models.

There is a handheld and desktop ASET that if your seeing the diamonds in person you can ask if they have one.
 
Thanks for answering my questions Storm.

So I take it from what you are saying, helium reports give the most accurate date for asschers than sarins, correct?

Can you give me a brief synopsis of what a helium report does?
 
Or more accurating, how does a helium report work?
 
there are several threads on how optical scanners work so im not going there.
basically the gem file is a file containing the measurements and angles for every facet of the diamond.
The gem file viewer uses this data to calculate and create the images it shows.
The helium machine tracks the facets better so the data is more accurate.
The down side of the helium is that the scan takes 3 min vs a few seconds for the sarin.
 
I also wanted to say while the ASET makes the data easy to see it is there on good photos so I can often predict pretty closely how the aset image is going to look.
I consider ASET a plus but not every vendor has it so we work around it when its not available.
 
Thanks for the insight Storm. It''s much appreciated!

I''ll keep doing the research!
 
Just to confirm ...

All Gem Advisor files of Asschers, Rounds, Princess, & Square Radiants are generated by Helium scans. Since my lab tech Chas saw how insanely accurate the models are as generated with the Helium he's been breathing helium (and talking funny) ever since.
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The models generated by the Helium are incredibe but equally impressive, the reports they generate are mind blowing as well and show incredible detail both on screen and in printed form.

Kind regards,
 
more info on the helium scanner is here:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/Technologies/DiamondScanners/Helium/

Jon confirmed they are using the helium data for the gem files on diamonds under 2ct.
The helium has a max diameter limit it will scan so above that sarin data is used.

edit:
woops see that Jon posted the info himself :}
 
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