Asscher thoughts ...... ?

[LD]

I have an asscher cut yellowish/brown diamond on it's way to me. It's certified but I don't have any other information other than the following (and of course have seen photos):

Weight: 1.52ct
Measurements: 6.41 x 6.16 x 4.37
Clarity: SI2 (looks a bit harsh when looking at the photos)
Cut: Very good
Symmetry: Very good
Polish: Very good
No enhancements

There's no chance of a Sarin or any other fancy-schmancy stuff so it's just photos I'm afraid!!! I've been told that the lustre is wonderful.

I'm getting it on approval so hopefully will have it here at some point next week but I'm just wondering (in general) what people's thoughts are based on the measurements and photos? I'm wondering if there will be areas where the colour washes out?

Not my hands!!!

 

[Lorelei]

Hi LD!

Its hard to tell from the images as they are tilted but it doesn't look like the best cut asscher to me. Which lab graded it, not GIA I presume? Do you have the depth and table percents and the crown height? Is it possible you could get an ASET image?

 

[LD]

Hi Lorelei

Absolutely no chance of any more information I''m afraid!!! You''ve got all I have!!!

This belongs to a gemstone dealer friend of mine and he''s offered it to me for a very low price - I''m likely to keep it if it looks pretty but I really wanted to understand a bit more about it - i.e. if it''s not well cut, why? I''m far from being an expert on diamond cuts so am just looking for information (good/bad/ugly) just so I know what I''m looking at when it arrives! I''ve only got one other diamond asscher to compare it to and whist that''s well cut, I still struggle to know what I''m seeing! As a coloured gemstone nut, I''m not hung up on numbers and look more for performance and beauty but was curious about this one!!!

 

[Karl_K]

hmmm don't know how I missed this thread.
The p3 may be ok, there looks like there is enough there to anchor the patterns.
table is on the large side and CH may be on the low side.
Otherwise I think you nailed it in the other thread.

You will know when you see it if it steals your heart :}

 

[LD]

Thanks for the tutorial Karl. I now understand what to look for. I''m going to be really interested to compare it tomorrow when it arrives to the P3 angle tutorial and I''ve already got a strong coloured piece of card to hold it over!!!

In all likelihood this will be a keeper anyway (unless I hate the colour in person) so in some ways it''s irrespective BUT I love to know what I have.

Thanks again.

 

[30yearsofdiamonds]

In my book that picture is just a square emerald, nothing proportionaly is that of a true Asscher. See my previous description.

 

[LD]

Date: 11/1/2009 1:23:33 PM
Author: 30yearsofdiamonds
In my book that picture is just a square emerald, nothing proportionaly is that of a true Asscher. See my previous description.

Interesting. It appears from your previous description that you are saying that unless it's a Royal Asscher it shouldn't be considered an Asscher cut and should be a square emerald?????

 

[kenny]

Date: 11/1/2009 1:23:33 PM
Author: 30yearsofdiamonds
In my book that picture is just a square emerald, nothing proportionaly is that of a true Asscher. See my previous description.

You may be technically correct but IMHO you are fighting a loosing battle.
Good, bad, right, wrong, properly, improperly, legally, or illegally, the name asscher has irreversibly slipped into the lexicon for square cut emeralds.

As it appears to stand today only the exact proportions of a Royal Asscher, cut by the Royal Asscher company, gets to be called a Royal Asscher.
But, as with the names jello, kleenex and xerox, it is too late to save "asscher".

 

[kenny]

How do you know it is a low price?
It surely will be a very low price compared to a white diamond but for yellowish brown you may be paying a very high price.
AFAIC you'd only know it is a low price if you saw lots of similar stones with prices listed on lots of websites.
I have not seen any such stones listed anywhere.
I suspect yellowish brown is not rare in nature but rare in the market.

I hope you are not just trusting a diamond seller when (s)he says it is a very low price.
You need comps to be sure.

Now, that said, there is nothing wrong with getting it, looking at it and deciding it is worth TO YOU what you paid.
But that is very different than saying it is a very low price.

 

[LD]

Date: 11/1/2009 1:50:10 PM
Author: kenny
How do you know it is a low price?
It surely will be a very low price compared to a white diamond but for yellowish brown you may be paying a very high price.
AFAIC you'd only know it is a low price if you saw lots of similar stones with prices listed on lots of websites.
I have not seen any such stones listed anywhere.
I suspect yellowish brown is not rare in nature but rare in the market.

I hope you are not just trusting a diamond seller when (s)he says it is a very low price.
You need comps to be sure.

Now, that sad, there is nothing wrong with getting it, looking at it and deciding it is worth TO YOU what you paid.
But that is very different than saying it is a very low price.

Kenny - don't worry I never trust anybody's opinion (especially a dealer!) on whether I've paid a fair price or not but I really appreciate your concern. In this case, the dealer is a friend but even so, I would normally make my comparisons on size, colour, clarity. I've got more experience in buying coloured diamonds and coloured gemstones than white diamonds strangely so am fairly familar with pricing for coloured diamonds. As you've pointed out though, it's almost impossible to make comparisons with this diamond! I'm paying under $1,500 and this comes with a cert saying it hasn't been enhanced in any way etc etc. So I reckon that's a fair deal. In this case I've had to use my gut instinct to decide whether it's good or not but have realised that for that price, the cut is definitely not going to be wonderful!

 

[kenny]

Thanks LD.
Sound like you are very well informed, way better than I.
That, and that you love it, is all that matters.

I think brown diamonds are cool - all colors actually.

We saw a 5-carat brown asscher at 23rd St. Jewelers last month at our LA GTG and I was beautiful.
I''m all for making up our own minds and if we have unique tastes we can get tons of bling for the $$$, as you know.

 

[LD]

Oh wow a 5ct brown asscher? I''d love to see that! David from diamondsbylauren had one a while ago (smaller ct weight though) and it was a real chocolate brown - delicious and good enough to eat!

I''m a bit of magpie and gravitate towards colour of all sorts (which is unfortunate for my bank balance)!

BTW I do intend on having this diamond independently appraised - cert or not!!!!

Thanks again for your concern. It really is appreciated.

 

[kenny]

Date: 11/1/2009 2:22:38 PM
Author: LovingDiamonds
Oh wow a 5ct brown asscher? I'd love to see that!

5.55 carat.
Also I'm not sure what the exact color was on the GIA report but Blueroses recalled the price as being, $56,000

which is not a low-cost diamond.

Link to thread.

 

[LD]

OMG

I''m so jealous at your meet! You were all in bling heaven by the sounds of it and Kenny your asscher is beyond awesome. I''ve never seen it before. It''s incredible!

 

[kenny]

Thanks, actually I took a few new pics last night.

Link

 

[Asscher Girl]

Sorry to hijack the thread but i love the new pic Kenny!

 

[LD]

Date: 11/1/2009 4:01:42 PM
Author: Asscher Girl
Sorry to hijack the thread but i love the new pic Kenny!

So do I - well worth hijacking for!