Are you worried about the Coronavirus?

[MamaBee]

We're not welcome to visit our family within Canada. We're just in different provinces, and 2 of them HAVE HAD covid and recovered. They don't want any of us to visit. Mostly it would just be my DH visiting his mom, but we were told no. It's very weird. I don't think any of them will come to our daughter's wedding next year either. I don't blame them, it's just really strange for all of us.

These are strange times @lyra Hopefully we will have a vaccine in time for your daughter’s wedding. I still haven’t held or seen my newest grandson up close. It’s painful.

 

[dk168]

I would be worried too...A lot can happen by that time @dk168 We may have one by then..

I'll be the first in the queue to have it even if it means having to self isolate for a few days afterwards!

DK

 

[OoohShiny]

@Jimmianne - I know it's rude to ask a lady but what number does your age start with?

The statistics indicate even those with an age starting with an 9 have a 90% chance of making it through it just fine, and being a lady also seems to be a benefit!

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Do you have any underlying / pre-existing conditions? If not, it appears there is little to worry about, and even if you do, it seems as though having just one condition should not present a major issue:

Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Number of deaths registered each month in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19), by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Of the 46,687 deaths that occurred in March, April and May 2020 involving COVID-19 in England and Wales, 42,444 (90.9%) had at least one pre-existing condition, while 4,243 (9.1%) had none.

The mean number of pre-existing conditions for deaths involving COVID-19 between March and May 2020 was 2.1 for those aged 0 to 69 years and 2.3 for those aged 70 years and over.

Despite the media doing its best to portray Covid19 as some sort of shadow of death chasing across the landscape, harvesting every man, woman and child in its path (and those non-binary people too, of course ) the vast majority of people (80+%) have either zero or only mild symptoms.

 

[jaaron]

@Jimmianne - I know it's rude to ask a lady but what number does your age start with?

The statistics indicate even those with an age starting with an 9 have a 90% chance of making it through it just fine, and being a lady also seems to be a benefit!

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Do you have any underlying / pre-existing conditions? If not, it appears there is little to worry about, and even if you do, it seems as though having just one condition should not present a major issue:

Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Number of deaths registered each month in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19), by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Despite the media doing its best to portray Covid19 as some sort of shadow of death chasing across the landscape, harvesting every man, woman and child in its path (and those non-binary people too, of course ) the vast majority of people (80+%) have either zero or only mild symptoms.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but Covid, recover and trip merrily along ever after, and Covid, death, are not the only alternatives. The other, that I'm seeing, in my own household and among numerous other people we know, who had the virus in March/early April, is mild symptoms during active infection followed by persistent lingering symptoms that range from annoying to debilitating. The age range is 19-60, none required hospitalisation or oxygen, 2 have preexisting conditions (RA and asthma). I would classify 90-95% of them as previously very fit.

 

[jaaron]

@TooPatient - I'm so sorry your H is still struggling. Hoping things keep getting better.

@MamaBee - I'm sorry to hear about Chris's fall. Glad to hear he wasn't hurt too badly.

@Arcadian - Glad you didn't have a bad reaction. When do you find out if you had the vaccine or a placebo?

 

[missy]

@Jimmianne - I know it's rude to ask a lady but what number does your age start with?

The statistics indicate even those with an age starting with an 9 have a 90% chance of making it through it just fine, and being a lady also seems to be a benefit!

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Do you have any underlying / pre-existing conditions? If not, it appears there is little to worry about, and even if you do, it seems as though having just one condition should not present a major issue:

Deaths involving COVID-19, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Number of deaths registered each month in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19), by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Despite the media doing its best to portray Covid19 as some sort of shadow of death chasing across the landscape, harvesting every man, woman and child in its path (and those non-binary people too, of course ) the vast majority of people (80+%) have either zero or only mild symptoms.

@OoohShiny why do you continue to downplay the severity of this disease? Getting Covid 19 and recovering isn't the end of it. One continues to have symptoms that range far and wide and are long lasting. @Jimmianne is wise to take precautions and wise to consider all her options. As are we all.

@Arcadian very brave of you! Good luck and thank you for taking this risk to help others.

@TooPatient continuing healing vibes to your DH

@jaaron continued healing vibes to your family too.

 

[jaaron]

While this article acknowledges that there are a lot of unknowns and state by state differences, it certainly offers food for thought on being too cavalier about children

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/31/us/coronavirus-cases-children.html

Graph from the beginning

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

@Jimmianne - the vast majority of people (80+%) have either zero or only mild symptoms.

I think it isn't in anyone's best interest to downplay the possible risks associated with Covid.

It's wise to carefully weigh the options. ETA: @missy already said it.

I might be feeling extra touchy regarding the "nice if you're in the 90% of old people who survive approach".

My neighbor was 89 and passed away last weekend. He had respiratory issues, yes. But a great quality of life at his home.

He didn't take any risks and they do not know how he contracted it. At home, completely sip, family and caregivers coming to him ( distancing & masked). He did have to go to specialists and hospital, though. It is thought he might have contracted it there. (Masks are mandatory here,and evidently he was super careful...still puzzled where and how)

If you're in the 10 % of oldsters who do die under dire circumstances it sucks a LOT for you.

Makes it three Covid victims I knew now.

 

[MamaBee]

I think it isn't in anyone's best interest to downplay the possible risks associated with Covid.

It's wise to carefully weigh the options. ETA: @missy already said it.

I might be feeling extra touchy regarding the "nice if you're in the 90% of old people who survive approach".

My neighbor was 89 and passed away last weekend. He had respiratory issues, yes. But a great quality of life at his home.

He didn't take any risks and they do not know how he contracted it. At home, completely sip, family and caregivers coming to him ( distancing & masked). He did have to go to specialists and hospital, though. It is thought he might have contracted it there. (Masks are mandatory here,and evidently he was super careful...still puzzled where and how)

If you're in the 10 % of oldsters who do die under dire circumstances it sucks a LOT for you.

Makes it three Covid victims I knew now.

I’m sorry about your neighbor @kipari

 

[MamaBee]

@TooPatient - I'm so sorry your H is still struggling. Hoping things keep getting better.

@MamaBee - I'm sorry to hear about Chris's fall. Glad to hear he wasn't hurt too badly.

@Arcadian - Glad you didn't have a bad reaction. When do you find out if you had the vaccine or a placebo?

Thank you @jaaron He’s still very sore. He put his arm out to protect his face....TG he didn’t break a bone..

 

[Calliecake]

@Jimmianne , I’m sorry you are going thru this. If it helps please know many people feel like you do, People saying you should be okay does little to relieve anxiety if you are prone to feeling anxious. None of us have experienced this before so please don’t be hard on yourself. Everyone is trying to get through this the best they can and unfortunately none of us know all the answers.

I’m sorry about your neighbor @kipari .

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

Thank you @MamaBee and @Calliecake



There's going to be a funeral service etc.. I feel pretty guilty about not going (it's not prohibited atm). But his family does understand. I think I'll go for a very socially distanced show of my support in front of the church after the mass. Crazy and strange times. The churchyard is very big and down the road from us...


As much as I think that clubbing, bar hopping , private parties should be prohibited, funerals are so important (and cannot be postponed ) for the families... Tough one.

 

[missy]

Thank you @MamaBee and @Calliecake



There's going to be a funeral service etc.. I feel pretty guilty about not going (it's not prohibited atm). But his family does understand. I think I'll go for a very socially distanced show of my support in front of the church after the mass. Crazy and strange times. The churchyard is very big and down the road from us...


As much as I think that clubbing, bar hopping , private parties should be prohibited, funerals are so important (and cannot be postponed ) for the families... Tough one.

@kipari I’m so sorry for your loss and for your friends loss

Yes I agree it’s a tough call re funerals. My mother in law died and her sons needed to have the funeral for closure. In hindsight I’m glad we went but at the time it was concerning. It was a relief no one who attended got sick.


I agree completely with your decision not to attend. I think everyone understands. It was different for us as it was Greg’s mother. These are challenging times.

As you wrote the other events are easy to decide not to attend but funerals for close family are a much tougher decision.

Please don’t feel guilty for not attending. It’s the best decision and as you wrote you will show your support in other ways. (((Hugs))).

 

[MamaBee]

Thank you @MamaBee and @Calliecake



There's going to be a funeral service etc.. I feel pretty guilty about not going (it's not prohibited atm). But his family does understand. I think I'll go for a very socially distanced show of my support in front of the church after the mass. Crazy and strange times. The churchyard is very big and down the road from us...


As much as I think that clubbing, bar hopping , private parties should be prohibited, funerals are so important (and cannot be postponed ) for the families... Tough one.

I’m sure it will mean a lot to the family that you are there in front of the church...I wouldn’t feel guilty about not going into the church...I wouldn’t go inside either...I’m sure the family understands...

 

[Calliecake]

@kipari , Please don’t feel guilty if you decide not to attend the funeral. I think people understand and keeping everyone safe is the most important thing to do now.

 

[MarionC]

@Jimmianne , I’m sorry you are going thru this. If it helps please know many people feel like you do, People saying you should be okay does little to relieve anxiety if you are prone to feeling anxious. None of us have experienced this before so please don’t be hard on yourself. Everyone is trying to get through this the best they can and unfortunately none of us know all the answers.

I’m sorry about your neighbor @kipari .

Callie, thanks. I am usually much more cavalier about illness as I consider myself a healthy and resilient senior citizen, but travel between two parts of the world in
the « orange zone » feels risky when it involves several trains and train stations, with a four hour wait between trains, an overnight in an airport hotel, the airport shuttle train, lines in the airport, a flight, then customs lines at the destination. (The flight is the least of those concerns). It would be quite a change from basically staying home, with a grocery store visit once or twice a week in a small village!

I don’t feel super anxious, just not wanting to do something stupid. I do feel anxious and guilty that I am foisting my responsibilities off on nice people (house sitters).
I could have the dogs sent over, but the horses and all the farm chores would remain for the sitters. It’s a full time job there.

And I cannot leave France until mid-October if I want to maintain my residency status that was so hard to get. I must live here six months and a day in 2020 and had planned to do three months at a time so I could be on the farm for the summer chores.
I can’t see myself leaving now and coming back again this year to fulfill the time requirements, yet by waiting until mid-October I may find that travel is even less safe. No one knows.
Everything is just a little complicated...lol...as we are all experiencing.

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

@kipari I’m so sorry for your loss and for your friends loss

Yes I agree it’s a tough call re funerals. My mother in law died and her sons needed to have the funeral for closure. In hindsight I’m glad we went but at the time it was concerning. It was a relief no one who attended got sick.


I agree completely with your decision not to attend. I think everyone understands. It was different for us as it was Greg’s mother. These are challenging times.

As you wrote the other events are easy to decide not to attend but funerals for close family are a much tougher decision.

Please don’t feel guilty for not attending. It’s the best decision and as you wrote you will show your support in other ways. (((Hugs))).

Thank you Missy! ❤

I hope that you and Greg and the cats are OK!

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

I’m sure it will mean a lot to the family that you are there in front of the church...I wouldn’t feel guilty about not going into the church...I wouldn’t go inside either...I’m sure the family understands...

Thank you for your support, @MamaBee

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

@kipari , Please don’t feel guilty if you decide not to attend the funeral. I think people understand and keeping everyone safe is the most important thing to do now.

Thank you @Calliecake , it is reassuring to hear others agree with ally decision.

 

[MamaBee]

Callie, thanks. I am usually much more cavalier about illness as I consider myself a healthy and resilient senior citizen, but travel between two parts of the world in
the « orange zone » feels risky when it involves several trains and train stations, with a four hour wait between trains, an overnight in an airport hotel, the airport shuttle train, lines in the airport, a flight, then customs lines at the destination. (The flight is the least of those concerns). It would be quite a change from basically staying home, with a grocery store visit once or twice a week in a small village!

I don’t feel super anxious, just not wanting to do something stupid. I do feel anxious and guilty that I am foisting my responsibilities off on nice people (house sitters).
I could have the dogs sent over, but the horses and all the farm chores would remain for the sitters. It’s a full time job there.

And I cannot leave France until mid-October if I want to maintain my residency status that was so hard to get. I must live here six months and a day in 2020 and had planned to do three months at a time so I could be on the farm for the summer chores.
I can’t see myself leaving now and coming back again this year to fulfill the time requirements, yet by waiting until mid-October I may find that travel is even less safe. No one knows.
Everything is just a little complicated...lol...as we are all experiencing.

@Jimmianne After reading your above post I realized it’s way more complicated for you then just getting on a plane or having your dogs sent to you. I didn’t realize you had a farm. Now that my memory was jogged I remember seeing a photo of your animals outside a barn in snow. I also don’t do a lot of international travel only going twice...I didn’t really think of how many people you would have to be in contact with to get home. This would be a huge undertaking during COVID. I would also be very afraid to travel. I don’t have any suggestions....I just wanted to give you a distant hug and hope you will be able to work it out and get home safely..

 

[Calliecake]

Jimmianne, You are correct, this is a more complicated situation than just hoping on a plane, I’m just thinking aloud so if anything I say is not helpful, please just ignore. Could you board the horses at another site? This would take some of the responsibility off the couple who lives on the property and give you peace of mind knowing they are well cared for. Are there services that will come to your farm to take care of the animals?

Do you plan on spending most of your time or moving permanently to France? If so, would there be another farmer in the area who would be willing to take your horses. I suggest this because a family member lives in a horse community. There was a family in the community that had to move for financial reasons and were not able to take or keep their horses. The animals were adopted by other families on the block. One of the horses was adopted by my family member. He is living a wonderful life. it was a huge relief to the family to know their animals went to homes where they would be loved and taken good care of.

Some of this could be arranged by phone while you are in France.

Many of us are very concerned about the virus and completely understand your feelings about making the trip. There is also the emotional toll of finding the best solution for the care of your animals.

I apologize for the wordy post. Sending hugs Jimmianne, Callie

 

[missy]

COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Tekate]

One can be cavalier toward the effects of Covid-19 if one is not in an age group that causes more symptoms and reactions than if one is almost 68 like me. We cannot change any minds that think it's okay to open up and party. sweetie..

COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[MamaBee]

COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms

A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus

www.scientificamerican.com

Scary @missy

 

[missy]

One can be cavalier toward the effects of Covid-19 if one is not in an age group that causes more symptoms and reactions than if one is almost 68 like me. We cannot change any minds that think it's okay to open up and party. sweetie..

I don’t think anyone should be cavalier no matter the age group. Evidence shows it can and does affect all age groups and even if one survives it (likely) one is left with potentially crippling side effects for who knows how long.

Scary @missy

It is. But we behave with caution and intelligence and common sense and hopefully we will all be fine. Knowledge is power.

 

[MamaBee]

One can be cavalier toward the effects of Covid-19 if one is not in an age group that causes more symptoms and reactions than if one is almost 68 like me. We cannot change any minds that think it's okay to open up and party. sweetie..

@Bayek My husband isn’t concerned at all..He thinks if he wears a mask and uses hand sanitizer he will be fine...and we will too..It’s incredibly frustrating. I really want to go back to Maryland. I feel much safer there. I’m going to start spending half the time there to reduce the risk. I know when he’s here alone he will do riskier behaviors like getting food pick up..shopping without being cautious...He probably won’t wash his hands and take off his shoes when he comes home..When we come back here I’ll have to sanitize everything...He really makes me upset. I veered off a little but it was on my mind when you posted.
I hope your shoulder is doing okay...XO

 

[MamaBee]

I don’t think anyone should be cavalier no matter the age group. Evidence shows it can and does affect all age groups and even if one survives it (likely) one is left with potentially crippling side effects for who knows how long.



It is. But we behave with caution and intelligence and common sense and hopefully we will all be fine. Knowledge is power.

I wish my husband would get it..You may be able to tell I’m not too happy with him right now..haha

 

[missy]

@Bayek My husband isn’t concerned at all..He thinks if he wears a mask and uses hand sanitizer he will be fine...and we will too..It’s incredibly frustrating. I really want to go back to Maryland. I feel much safer there. I’m going to start spending half the time there to reduce the risk. I know when he’s here alone he will do riskier behaviors like getting food pick up..shopping without being cautious...He probably won’t wash his hands and take off his shoes when he comes home..When we come back here I’ll have to sanitize everything...He really makes me upset. I veered off a little but it was on my mind when you posted.
I hope your shoulder is doing okay...XO

Ugh. I’m sorry Joanne. Greg isn’t as concerned about Covid 19 as I am but at least with respect for me he does what I ask to keep us safe. As best as possible that is. Nothing is foolproof. But yeah what is it with men and pandemics?

 

[MamaBee]

Ugh. I’m sorry Joanne. Greg isn’t as concerned about Covid 19 as I am but at least with respect for me he does what I ask to keep us safe. As best as possible that is. Nothing is foolproof. But yeah what is it with men and pandemics?

Shatzie does do what I ask when I’m here but he doesn't do it himself without me nagging him. I’m doing a lot of that lately..

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

We just lost a relative to Covid who happened to be in her sixties. She had no known underlying conditions. She and her husband decided that going on vacation to Florida, Texas and then ending their trip in Vegas over several weeks was a risk they were willing to take. Three hot zones in their very early stages one after the other. The risk, sadly, was too great.
Just a sad thing all around.
I only hope they didn't spread it.